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Old 02-18-2009, 09:56 PM   #48
GarfieldJL
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Nice try:
Freedom from unreasonable searches: The government may search and seize Americans' papers and effects without probable cause to assist terror investigation.
Show me where in the article that is, and when that was actually used? Seriously, though the Patriot Act was just after we were attacked...

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Right to a speedy and public trial: The government may jail Americans indefinitely without a trial.
Key Word: Americans, I don't think a terrorist born in Saudi Arabia or Yemen, caught in Afghanistan is a citizen of the United States of America.

Again where are US Citizens being held? Provide a legitimate source.

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Freedom of association: To assist terror investigation, the government may monitor religious and political institutions without suspecting criminal activity.
You left part out, because we did catch a few charities and religious groups funnelling money to Al Qaeda deliberately. However it wasn't without probable cause.

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Right to legal representation: The government may monitor conversations between attorneys and clients in federal prisons and deny lawyers to Americans accused of crimes.
Again, you're saying that the people at Gitmo are US citizens when they aren't, they were captured in other parts of the world in many cases on the battlefield.

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Freedom of speech: The government may prosecute librarians or keepers of any other records if they tell anyone the government subpoenaed information related to a terror investigation.
You can get in trouble anyways for blabbing about an investigation during a criminal case if the Judge doesn't want stuff released to the press. Furthermore, some of the stuff was classified information. You are only taking part of the story and distorting it.

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Right to liberty: Americans may be jailed without being charged or being able to confront witnesses against them. US citizens (labeled "unlawful combatants") have been held incommunicado and refused attorneys.
Technically they could have been shot as spies, but seriously why haven't I seen this blabbed all over the media if true. If someone got caught in Afghanistan, it is beyond a reasonable doubt that they weren't there to work on their tan.

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So, how are you going to skew that to be a liberal lie bent on helping terrorists?
At least when I talk about a conspiracy I provide evidence to back myself up, you have yet to provide one valid source.

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Nice try, but I don't recall that politicians are great people in the first place. I did not say Obama was amazing. I said that a lot of this liberal and left smearing you've been doing for awhile now is because you are ticked off now that you are on the other side of the score board, as you have thus far left the right alone in your many smear threads.
For the record, I had my disagreements with President Bush. You however, apparently don't know what the word 'smear' means, because I actually posted stuff to back up what I was saying and provided evidence. I have not falsified information, therefore I haven't smeared anyone.

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McCain was hardly much better as far as his affiliations and lies went, but I believe I already presented those facts to you and you brushed them off.
And you used sources that got caught at deliberately lieing and distorting the facts concerning Senator McCain, even after I pointed that fact out, you continued to do so, I could argue you were deliberately smearing him.

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When did I say he wanted to take over the world?
I believe it was either you, Achilles, or jmac, or PastramiX. I'm going off of memory and as I remember it was you that came up with that nutty conspiracy, but if I'm wrong please point out who did so I can redirect my statement.

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Good job pulling something out of thin air.


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So, you hate the far left as a far right? You didn't answer my point that extremes are dangerous for both sides.
That may be, but I'm not on the far right unless you think Pelosi is on the political center and if you believe that I've got some land on Jupiter to sell you.

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Were the far right in charge any better? "Of course they were."
Bush wasn't on the far right, Ann Coulter is on the far right and she is typically not taken seriously.

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Your intentions to rule out extremes and deceit is admirable, but you've decided to only focus on one side of this many sided system.
Actually, one side is already not being represented much, as Mr. Limbaugh has pointed out himself, he is an entertainer not a news anchor. That is a big difference to news anchors swooning over Barack Obama and in some cases wanting to go to bed with him.
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