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Old 03-11-2009, 06:38 PM   #82
True_Avery
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Originally Posted by GarfieldJL View Post
Well here's the thing though, this is what the teacher was targetting, that student's first amendment rights over was their 2nd Amendment rights.
You have a right to bear arms. Not guns. Not swords. Arms. He presented an argument that guns should be allowed on a school campus, using his freedom of speech right to say so.

She thought his speech was scary, over reacted, and called the police. Freedom of speech does not give him anything for guns, so her targeting of said right is solely on his speech.

Now, if he had brought a gun and she ripped it out of his hand and called the police on him, even though he had a permit to carry, then this would be a topic on the 2ed amendment.

The topic could have been anything "offensive", but the topic in question is irrelevant because the attack was upon his words.

Ontopic:
This thread is about a teacher possibly violating a students freedom of speech by calling the police. Now, while that was an overreaction, I'd like someone to connect the dots on how calling the police is a violation of his freedom of speech.

He got up, said the speech, and sat down. It was after wards that he was called in for questioning. His speech was said, and his words were technically allowed. It was the context being called into question.

The topic doesn't so much seem to be freedom of speech as it does abuse of administrative power by going over the heads of her associates. If calling the police was an abuse of someone's freedom of speech, then any arrests for verbal threats and disturbing the peace in public would also be a violation (which could also be debated as an abuse of power).

When do you step over the line to violate speech? Did she violate it by calling, or would it be more appropriate to say she would have violated it if she stopped him mid speech and banned him from speaking about his presentation?

And if that is a violation, then shouldn't I be allowed to talk about any topic I want, anywhere I want, at anytime? If I wanna talk and the teacher tells me to raise my hand, or tells me to stop presenting my powerpoint due to lack of time or another group needs to go, or even gives me a time limit... isn't that violating my freedom of speech?

I find it hard to defend or support "freedom" of speech because anything that prevents you from speaking at any moment or any time could be considered a violation.

Which is why I don't think this topic, as of now, is on "freedom" of speech as it in more on administrative abuse.
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