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Old 03-24-2009, 06:40 PM   #13
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Originally Posted by True_Avery View Post
How is this relevant at all?
It's relevent because technically life shouldn't exist if you throw that variable into the equation.

Originally Posted by True_Avery
Then learn to read. He said "Why is it not okay to just accept that we don't know something?", not "God doesn't exist".
That's not what he said and you know it.

Originally Posted by SkinWalker
I'm defaming no one because of their religious superstitions.
Saying something is just superstition especially in the way SkinWalker used it, is used in a manner to insult people that believe in a deity, it usually is a means to call people uneducated, primitive, etc.

Originally Posted by True_Avery
You are the one that believes your christian god exists. Skinwalker has stated multiple times that he cannot prove or disprove the existance of a diety, but automatically saying "god did it" does not help the situation or problem.
I actually believe that except for rare instances, God largely lets people live their own lives, it's something known as Free Will.

Originally Posted by True_Avery
The burden of poof is entirely on your shoulders, as you are the one that believes it.
Which is why I brought up the environment in which life began, the problem here is we're dealing with something we can't see, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Some subatomic particles are extremely hard to detect and barely interact with matter at all, but they exist.

Originally Posted by True_Avery
How is this relevant?

We may not know how life began, but just because we don't know does not automatically mean it was your concept of god. Like you said, we didn't even think anti-matter exist. Turns out is does.

Now, apply that to your theory. We do not know how life began, but that does not automatically mean it will never be proven.

Same with god. There is no proof of the existence or non-existence of god but that does not automatically assume that it exists.
And you can't automatically assume that God doesn't exist either, science is built around testing things in order to disprove something. Can you disprove your existence, seriously prove that you don't exist.

Originally Posted by True_Avery
So, you want to scientifically prove the existence of an intelligent, benevolent deity that gave you the bible?

Ok, go ahead. We're saying that it has not been proven or disproven, so to think absolutely that it exists is fallacious logic. The burden of proof is on your shoulders, so feel free to be the one that builds that super microscope that zooms in on god.
Oh you mean like how they thought the Exodus was made up, and there are the remains of Egyptian chariots in the Red Sea?

Or that supposedly certain cities that were mentioned in the Bible were thought to have been made up, and their remains were actually found?

There was even something on the History Channel a few monthes ago concerning Jericho, and they may have found that city.

Originally Posted by True_Avery
People have hallucinations that bugs are crawling out of their skin. In their mind it is real and they react, but in reality they are just in their bed having a panic attack.

Just because your mind sees it does not necessarily mean it is there. Take schizophrenics for example.

A lot of stuff happens in your brain when it starts to die. Lack of oxygen is well known for creating bursts of apparent light in the brain, and in the panic of injury the brain is known to do amazing things.

This does not mean, however, that these things are super natural. This does not mean that everything your brain sees when you are on LSD is 100% real.

And this by no means proves god. Prove that it does, or you are just supposing.
You can argue it either way, but the people I'm referring to were not on LSD nor were they schizophrenics. Seriously, if what you say is what happened, why don't people report seeing lights while they are sedated?

Originally Posted by True_Avery
I could also find you books of people who claim that Xenu blew an alien race up with hydrogen bombs around a volcano and their spirits live in us.

Like blogs, hallucinations, etc... just because someone says they think it is real does not make it proven fact. Until we can prove that the drunk sees a purple elephant in the room with him, then it is all in his mind.

So your book on an atheist-turned-christian is irrelevant. You can still share, however, and I'd be glad to link you to books about Christians turning to atheism.
Again explain the things mentioned in the Bible that they have actually been found...

You're comparing apples to potatos.
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