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Old 03-25-2009, 10:32 AM   #18
GarfieldJL
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Originally Posted by True_Avery View Post
Was not denying there weren't anyway. Was just saying that more blood has still been spilt over religion instead of non-belief.
Again, see Communism and Nazism.

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Originally Posted by True_Avery
While Adolf's true religion is debatable, he based his war and genocide upon religious beliefs. I'm going to stick with him primarily being "christian" from his words and justifications, however. Feel free to prove me otherwise, however.
Did he? Or was he just using it as an excuse to try to take over the world, that's the real issue, based on his "master race" comments it seems that he probably was an atheist and merely used religion as an excuse.

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Originally Posted by True_Avery
Hm. You may want to re-read this article, as it does not really support your belief that atheists cause wars. It fact, it seems to be against that idea.
I know, but both articles inadvertently provide evidence that debunks their own articles. It's kinda hard to find things online due to the left's stranglehold on Academia (and yes I'm accusing them of discrimination of Conservatives).

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Originally Posted by True_Avery
What the article does say, however, is that forcing atheism on the people could have horrific consequences. However, the religious have been forcing themselves on people for thousands of years and I believe the wars speak for themselves.
It isn't a could have horrific consequences, it's a does have horrific consequences.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/1121/p09s01-coop.html

And I know the source would be biased but the article provides the other side of the argument quite well.

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Originally Posted by True_Avery
Unfortunately, for this I will have to direct you back at your own article:
http://newhumanist.org.uk/627

I was also pointing out what they left out. Such as the fact that there were elements of the Catholic Church that was helping Jewish people and others escape.

Ever seen the movie: The Sound of Music? That movie was based off of a true story.

Granted there were authority figures that were going along with the Nazis, but by the same token, their were others that did not in secret.


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Originally Posted by SkinWalker
Ahh... the Joseph Stalin fallacy.

The argument being that atheism is bad because Stalin was an atheist who was a ruthless murderer. This would be like saying eating bread is bad because most people in prison eat bread and therefore they break the law and end up in prison.
He was an atheist though, as was Mao Zedong.

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Originally Posted by SkinWalker
If there were any credence to the Stalin fallacy, there would be a higher trend of atheists becoming ruthless murderers. Instead, what we find is quite the opposite. There is a direct and positive correlation between godlessness and immorality. Or, if you prefer, a negative correlation between religiosity and immorality.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tony-h...e_b_53250.html

There are some comments here (from a far-left site) that throws your argument out the window.

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Originally Posted by SkinWalker
I'm a bit pressed for time at the moment, but I'll be happy to detail this correlation further and provide data to support it should anyone request it.
Is this more data where the individuals doing research violated the scientific method (like the sources you used last time) or where they tainted the research data?

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Originally Posted by SkinWalker
But the thing that Stalin has in common with the ruthless murderers and amoral religionists in history who have used religion to "evil" ends is ideology. Religion is an ideology. Stalin's version of communism was an ideology. Indeed, Marx would not have approved of Stalin one bit since Stalin's ideology was the very epitome of the hegemony that Marx argued that the peasant class needed to overcome.
That's debatable, Communism is basically enforced Socialism, because let's face it, Marx's version of Socialism without it being forced on people doesn't work!

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Originally Posted by Tyrion
I'd argue that Stalin's communism was less atheistic and more centered on the cult of personality that proclaimed his infallibility.
Try Lenin then...
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