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Old 04-01-2009, 09:18 PM   #4
GarfieldJL
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I walk into the Senate Chambers for the first time in forever, and the first thread I see isn't even a debate thread?
Oh I don't know looks like it's turning into a debate now.

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I found the dynamics of the last presidential election fascinating, and followed them in depth. I know what's meant here by "game-changer", and it's ridiculous. Obama's alleged ties to ACORN were completely irrelevant to the election, whether or not they should have been, as were many other things that perhaps should have mattered, did not, and would still have not with slight tweaking such as this. This story, even if 100% true, would have made ultimately zero difference.
You mean like the left-wing claimed he has "alleged" ties to all his other negative associations (i.e. claiming that it was nothing but a smear job). There were already accusations that Obama had ties to ACORN, and the fact the New York Times killed the story when Obama's campaign ended up being linked to this, and then compare that to the smear job the New York Times ran on McCain (which btw, they ended up getting sued over, and the New York Times lost the lawsuit).

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Incidentally, that's a very good reason to believe Mrs. Heidelbaugh is simply lying. That's besides her obvious motivations to do so. I find it hard to believe that the NYT believed something like this would be a "game-changer". Even if she is telling the truth, it just means the NYT were foolish.
It's good to know you'll take the word of an organization that has had offices convicted of Voter Registration fraud, has been under investigation of the FBI, has also been under investigation for numerous other dubious incidents, over a whistleblower that they are happening to smear.

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But this thread doesn't appear to be about that. It appears to be making an argument that this would have actually altered the outcome of the last election.
Considering other News Agencies are picking up on this story, and this would have directly tied the Obama campaign to the organization (and would have shown that he lied about not having an association with ACORN). Typically a politician is in deep trouble if they get caught lieing.

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No offense to the thread-maker or anything, but... Really?
Okay since I haven't seen you around I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, what I'm curious about is does anyone else see this situation as troubling?
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