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Old 04-27-2009, 11:05 AM   #28
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Originally Posted by Achilles View Post
Racial profiling is not illegal, but it sure as hell is unethical.
Won't get any argument from me on that point.

Originally Posted by Achilles View Post
Hmmm, you'll have to refresh my memory on this one. Pretty sure a cop needs probable cause in order to be able to search a vehicle without a warrant.

Sure they ask, and yeah it's a good idea to say "yes", but you can also say "no" and be within your rights. Of course don't expect to get away with a warning if you jerk the officer around just to "flex" your rights.
An officer can find a way to get probable cause. but that's one of my beefs with law enforcement altogether, and kinda sideways to the topic.

Originally Posted by Achilles View Post
I guess I'm still not convinced. Illegal immigrants come in all shapes, colors, and sizes. As do U.S. citizens. I'm not buying that it's okay that Sheriff Joe drives into Avondale, pulls over a dozen latin americans (who are all citizens) for "broken windshields", but lets a dozen vehicles driven by caucasians (who are canadians with expired visas) with broken windshields go on their merry way.
In AZ though by and large the illegal immigrants do tend to originate from Mexico. Just like serial killers are majority white men, with a few exceptions. It makes sense to go fishing where you know you're going to catch fish.

Originally Posted by Achilles View Post
You're saying that police officers are within their rights to pull over anyone with "broken windshield" and I agree. However I think once you start discriminating between which "broken windshields" justify a stop and which ones don't (and the basis is race), then you have a problem. I'm not asking you to clarify what is currently legal. I'm asking your to distinguish between right and wrong.
Let me be clear then. While not illegal, it is unethical and therefore wrong. I do not agree with how he is conducting business.

Originally Posted by Achilles View Post
Emphasis on "all persons pulled over".
Guess I should also add "so long as those pulled over are not pulled over based on ethnicity." Heck I'm Japanese. It wouldn't hurt my feelings any if, while being stopped, I'm asked to produce proof of citizenship.

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