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Old 06-18-2009, 03:58 PM   #106
Jae Onasi
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It's not a matter of want, but sustainability.
What sustainability problem are you talking about? We have unsold land in my county that is in between two major cities. We have states where there's so much land the gov't is paying people to homestead on it.

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Americans want their open spaces? How much would they be willing to pay to have their open spaces?
I pay about 1200 per month for my home. If I had a condo in Chicago, it would cost me three times more and have half the space. It costs more to live in the big city. A lot more.
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Well I'll tell you that when you create a system that spreads itself horizontally, the issue is not any one person, but millions all wanting the same thing.
Yes, millions want to get out of over-crowded, over-taxed, over-priced city living. There's plenty of space for them, too. You're ignoring all the problems with urban living except the transit efficiency aspect yet again.

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The US has become auto-dependent, which means that when the price of fuel rises, it directly impacts how the state functions.
_I_ am 'the state'. _You_ are 'the state'. Every American is 'the state'. This is a republic, not a socialist or communist state. The government exists to serve the people, not the other way around. The day we all forget that is the day we should just hang it up and sign the Communist manifesto.

The price of fuel rose dramatically last year. Why? Corporate and OPEC greed, pure and simple. OPEC refused to increase production, and oil companies took tremendous advantage of oil speculation. Their greed contributed to the worldwide recession/depression.

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With mass transit, you will also be dependent on energy; but those that use electricity are not bound to any single source to operate. I'm for clean energy, which is why I'm not in favor of coal; but I also recognize that the US has an abundant supply of it. That makes electricity a more favorable source of power for transportation than oil (gasoline, kerosene, and diesel fuel)
That works for electric cars and electric power to houses all over the country, not just mass transit in big cities.

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The best solution, however, is to try and promote pedestrian travel. That means having as many destinations within walking distance as possible, which means higher density. That can also be augmented by providing light rail to allow even more destinations to more people. That doesn't mean the automobile has to go, but it should not continue to be the dominant means of transportation.
Who determined that crazy idea? You ever try to carry groceries for a week for a family of four in your arms walking home? I live about 6 blocks from our grocery store and walk there when I only need a few items, but there's no way I could carry a full load home. Furthermore, since you've experienced harsh winters as I have, you know that walking in below zero temperatures and 2 feet of snow that we can experience regularly in WI winters makes a car far more necessary than in places without some of these issues.

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An issue was brought about public transportation flourishing as energy got more expensive... When the energy crisis of last year hit, public transportation actually suffered badly because they saw a rise in demand while they had to pay even more for their fuel. Public busing couldn't expand in times when demand was at its highest because they didn't have the funding it needed for that to happen. When they didn't have the funding to expand, they became overtaxed and could barely afford to break even with their own high fuel prices.
How were city governments supposed to anticipated the unprecedented rise in fuel costs? Consult their magic 8 balls? They didn't have the funds because they hadn't budgeted for them, and they were seeing a decrease in tax revenue because of the housing collapse and decreased revenues from sales taxes on top of that. There's no way they could expand transit rapidly, anyway. You can't go to the local Wal-Mart and buy 3 city buses and an L-train station or two.

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Light rail overcomes this more easily, but demands a set population density for it to work. Portland is the best example of an auto-dependent city that successfully integrated light rail for an effective alternate means of transportation. Even removing 10% of cars improves fuel economy due to reduced traffic congestion. That's why it works so well.
Vivat for Portland. Sure we could learn from them, but that doesn't solve the problem: not all people want to live in big cities.

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And in regards to the 'open space' issues... the whole point of higher densities is to provide fewer, larger open spaces so that it would make people feel more comfortable than on that 40 X 20 plot of land that is in front of every house for miles on end. It would be better to acknowledge that there are millions of others wanting the same things, so it is best to focus on creating a system by which everyone benefits instead of everyone vying for their own interests.
Great. So I can go to a park 3 miles from my concrete-patio'd condo to sit on a graffiti-covered park-bench and look at some pooping pigeons and dog-ugly starlings pecking the ground around some fenced-in trees. Whoopee. I'll keep my nature-filled backyard, thank you very much.


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