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Old 11-02-2010, 10:37 AM   #18
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Originally Posted by Sordid Dreams View Post
I'd have to disagree with that. Vader was obviously pissed off by her attempt to attack him, and he is a darksider whose power is fuelled by passion and emotion and has a reputation for killing people who annoy him. From this point of view, killing Juno is perfectly in character for him.
That makes Vader an idiot. Yeah, he was known for killing admirals who annoyed him, but those people weren't part of his overarching plan.

Originally Posted by Sordid Dreams View Post
As for his plan, it doesn't matter to him if Starkiller submits to him or not. If his plan was simply to make Starkiller submit by threatening Juno, then he wouldn't have tried so hard to make him give up his attachment to her in the first place.
So hard? He tried to get him to kill a hologram of Juno. Oh, and he said, "The woman means nothing!" repeatedly (ad nauseum) during the final boss battle. That's not exactly trying hard.

Originally Posted by Sordid Dreams View Post
Way I see it, his plan was to destroy the Rebellion by sending Starkiller back to them, then having him betray them. Only he wouldn't, because Juno's a Rebel now and he wouldn't betray the woman he loves. So Vader tried to make him let go of this attachment, which didn't work out all that great.
With Starkiller gone, Vader switched to plan B. Send out Boba Fett, bring Juno to Kamino, then try to coerce Starkiller into cooperation by threatening to kill her. That didn't go down all that well either, since Vader struck her down in a fit of rage.
But the beautiful thing is he can absolutely afford to do that, because he's got plan C. He has the Dark Clone. He tried to turn Starkiller because, well, two loyal and obedient demigods of mayhem and destruction are better than one, but ultimately it makes no difference if Starkiller joins Vader or not.
So...Vader struck down some untrained, un-Force-Sensitive lady in a fit of rage when he could've easily disarmed her; that costs him the obedience of a demi-god, but it makes no difference? Really? Yeah, he has the Dark Clone as backup, but...well, the other Starkiller just single-handedly 1) escaped from Kamino 2) cut his way through an entire Imperial garrison on Cato Nemoidia, destroying two gunships along the way 3) killed a creature that eats rancors for breakfast 4) fought off a massive Imperial boarding party (okay, there were a few Rebel troops, but most of them sorta died) 5) flung orbital debris from a space battle out of the way of his ship while he crashed onto Kamino 6) cut his way through the Imperial garrison there 7) fought Darth Vader himself for a good long time without getting killed (not to mention fighting off countless clones of himself while doing so).

Yeah, no loss there.

Having the Dark Clone is nice. Having two Starkillers at his command is a dream situation. Losing a demi-god because he couldn't control his rage for three seconds is unacceptable and unbefitting of a Dark Lord of Vader's caliber.

Originally Posted by Sordid Dreams View Post
Vader can simply kill him at any point and send out the Dark Clone in his place, which is what he was preparing to do at the beginning when he was getting ready to stab Starkiller in the back again.
Yeah, Vader can kill him at any point after securing his obedience, as he was preparing to do at the beginning, but how much damage could Starkiller do to the rebellion before he finally betrayed Vader? If Starkiller betrays him despite Juno's life being at stake, Vader and the Dark Clone can go kill him together. But that's pointless--after all, Vader couldn't control his rage and struck Juno down, remember?

Originally Posted by Sordid Dreams View Post
It's essentially backup plans within backup plans within backup plans. And the best thing is that it worked perfectly even in the LS ending. In the DS ending the Dark Clone reveals himself because Vader is about to get killed. In the LS ending he has no reason to do that, but that doesn't mean he's not there.
He has no reason to reveal himself? Wait--didn't the original Starkiller (who may or may not be the player, remember) come that close to killing Vader before? Once Starkiller had attacked Vader again, the Dark Clone should've stepped in and killed Starkiller right then. Yeah, there's the Rebel base thing--more on that in a second.

Originally Posted by Sordid Dreams View Post
He simply remained invisible and in all likelihood stowed away on board the Rogue Shadow, en route to the secret Rebel base that Vader probably didn't even know existed. The LS ending works out better for Vader than the DS ending - not only has he learned of the existence of a hidden Rebel base, he's managed to trick the Rebels into taking him there along with a loyal clone of his superpowerful apprentice, whose very existence the Rebels have no idea about.
But wouldn't it have been better to have both Starkillers truly loyal to him? Think of this: Vader forces Starkiller to serve him. He tells him to go kill the rebel leaders, or "she will die." Vader leaves Kamino in a shuttlecraft, taking Juno with him. The Starkillers are left there, with the Dark Clone hiding. Kota comes along and asks where Vader and Juno are. Player Starkiller tells him that Vader escaped with Juno, and he doesn't know where they went. He suggests they go see Bail Organa, Mon Mothma, and Garm Bel Iblis to show them that he's alive. Once there, Dark Starkiller reveals himself and kills all three of them while Player Starkiller kills Kota. When that's done, the Starkillers proceed to kill off the remnants of the rebellion, using the information that Organa/Mothma/Iblis would undoubtedly have near their persons.

And all that was traded for one lousy hidden rebel base because Vader couldn't control his rage for three seconds.

Originally Posted by Sordid Dreams View Post
Cunning enough for you?
'Fraid not. Two demi-gods under your control are better than one.

Chapter 12 of A Soul Adrift is out.

Short stories:
T'katlu: On the planet Felucia, a young apprentice of the Dark Side thinks back to the beginning of her training as she lies in wait for her prey...

All the Time: After four years in the Unknown Regions, the Exile returns to the known galaxy to visit an old enemy.

Broken: A master of the Dark Side finds himself about to lose the one thing he cares about--and he will do anything to stop her from endangering herself.
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