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Old 11-02-2010, 11:21 AM   #19
Sordid Dreams
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That makes Vader an idiot. Yeah, he was known for killing admirals who annoyed him, but those people weren't part of his overarching plan.
Yes. So? The dark side is fuelled by passion and impulse, and those can make you do stupid things. Such as, oh I don't know, cutting off Windu's hand instead of just blocking his strike blade to blade.

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So hard? He tried to get him to kill a hologram of Juno. Oh, and he said, "The woman means nothing!" repeatedly (ad nauseum) during the final boss battle. That's not exactly trying hard.
"Give her up or I'm going to kill you" seems pretty hard to me.

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So...Vader struck down some untrained, un-Force-Sensitive lady in a fit of rage when he could've easily disarmed her; that costs him the obedience of a demi-god, but it makes no difference? Really? Yeah, he has the Dark Clone as backup, but...well, the other Starkiller just single-handedly 1) escaped from Kamino 2) cut his way through an entire Imperial garrison on Cato Nemoidia, destroying two gunships along the way 3) killed a creature that eats rancors for breakfast 4) fought off a massive Imperial boarding party (okay, there were a few Rebel troops, but most of them sorta died) 5) flung orbital debris from a space battle out of the way of his ship while he crashed onto Kamino 6) cut his way through the Imperial garrison there 7) fought Darth Vader himself for a good long time without getting killed (not to mention fighting off countless clones of himself while doing so).

Yeah, no loss there.

Having the Dark Clone is nice. Having two Starkillers at his command is a dream situation. Losing a demi-god because he couldn't control his rage for three seconds is unacceptable and unbefitting of a Dark Lord of Vader's caliber.
Yes, it makes no difference, since he already has the loyalty of a person just as capable. Not to mention that with the cloning process perfected, he can just make more. Even if it takes a million failures to produce a single stable clone, the Empire can afford it.

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Yes, it makes no difference, since he already has the loyalty of a person just as capable.Yeah, Vader can kill him at any point after securing his obedience, as he was preparing to do at the beginning, but how much damage could Starkiller do to the rebellion before he finally betrayed Vader? If Starkiller betrays him despite Juno's life being at stake, Vader and the Dark Clone can go kill him together. But that's pointless--after all, Vader couldn't control his rage and struck Juno down, remember?
I don't follow.

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He has no reason to reveal himself? Wait--didn't the original Starkiller (who may or may not be the player, remember) come that close to killing Vader before? Once Starkiller had attacked Vader again, the Dark Clone should've stepped in and killed Starkiller right then. Yeah, there's the Rebel base thing--more on that in a second.
I don't think there's any reason for him to step in earlier, Vader seems to be doing pretty well against Starkiller this time around. Plus the Sith are prone to gambling with their lives. Remember Palpatine arranging to get himself kidnapped by Grievous? Just watch the beginning of Ep 3 and count the number of times he narrowly escaped death in that little adventure. It was an insanely dangerous operation that put his entire galactic scheme at risk and he went ahead with it anyway.

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But wouldn't it have been better to have both Starkillers truly loyal to him? Think of this: Vader forces Starkiller to serve him. He tells him to go kill the rebel leaders, or "she will die." Vader leaves Kamino in a shuttlecraft, taking Juno with him. The Starkillers are left there, with the Dark Clone hiding. Kota comes along and asks where Vader and Juno are. Player Starkiller tells him that Vader escaped with Juno, and he doesn't know where they went. He suggests they go see Bail Organa, Mon Mothma, and Garm Bel Iblis to show them that he's alive. Once there, Dark Starkiller reveals himself and kills all three of them while Player Starkiller kills Kota. When that's done, the Starkillers proceed to kill off the remnants of the rebellion, using the information that Organa/Mothma/Iblis would undoubtedly have near their persons.
And that wouldn't work with just one Starkiller... why, exactly?
Also, I seriously doubt the leaders of the Rebellion would leave incriminating information just lying around in their offices.

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And all that was traded for one lousy hidden rebel base because Vader couldn't control his rage for three seconds.
You seem to be forgetting that the Rebellion tends to have only one base at a time.

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'Fraid not. Two demi-gods under your control are better than one.
Plenty of cloning pods left intact on Kamino.
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