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Old 11-24-2010, 04:31 AM   #22
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Unemployment is at double digits all across the U.S.A.
Good possibility.
People start building their resumes in preschool, in preparation for employability
I thought they did that already, or at least that's how far back some will look.
You're classified as "Employable", "Unemployable", or "Probationary"
I think that's already happening.
Many donate their organs/blood/tissue in order to make a living
No but I see a mandatory default due to budget shortfalls because of poor planning for these reforms.
"Actor" and "actress" are almost extinct professions due to CGI
While I can see why you'd say that, I would say not quite, but it's going to be much further along by this time on our present course.
Crime, drug use, and prostitution are at record highs
Cyclical. I'm going to tell you what I learned in economics, "it depends".

Those inclined to think along doom and gloom with conspiracies likely will see it increasing. Sure things like numbers might increase but so does a population over time as we have seen. Hell, we saw the world population increase from 6 billion to 7 billion in, what 10 years or less?

We'd have to view it w.r.t. proportion to population size to see what a disaster this really would be. This and a number of other factors.

The U.S. economy is almost wholly dependent upon foreign trade/debt financing
No I see us waking up as people and trying to fight it. Don't get me wrong, I love certain of our imported products. However, int'l. trade is a good bit of what got us in this mess we're in.

I see little we can do. I think those in power on all sides want us to have an international, borderless country dependent on a world banking model, wanting us to just STFU and let them extend their reach into every facet of our lives.

Governments and corporations are essentially the same in my eyes: 2 hogs fighting over a steak, and we the people between them. Are we going to let them turn us into a squirrel or are we going to fight them and be another hog in the fight?
There is literal "debt slavery"--your creditors make you work for them
I don't see this happening by 2030, but I do see them trying much, much harder to do it by that point. We do not have debtors prison, and I can see this happening before slavery to be honest. Then again, prison is not much different.

I have a suggestion as to how we might start moving away from credit debt in our daily lives:

While folks like Jon Ralston at LV sun and NBC news channel 4 in Las Vegas laughed along with the mockery made to Sue Lowden* (and by extension insulting the Amish--who live a HELL of a lot more economically balanced lives than us) for raising the "barter option", I can say that trade without involving money is an equitable and reasonable thing that people have done throughout our history on this planet, and will continue to do so. Would not surprise me if big business advocates (hypocritically) also decry it.

*(Nevada primary candidate for US senate these midterm elections, 2010)

But whatever, the same people talking about how we Americans need to be knocked down a peg from our modern life will attack the very thing they don't even realize they're advocating in the long run, just because it's "the (insert political affiliation) thing" to do.

I have used trade and barter many, many times personally throughout my life. Likely so has anybody else--it's practiaclly unavoidable unless you're living an insipid life in some isolated world. You could say that a subculture of this country is our local markets (farmer's markets, flea markets, etc.)in which we trade--mini economies which are the pulse of the little people.

RELEVANT Long and short: If I can trade and negotiate services for doctor's appointments, or trips to the dentist, I will. If I have to fix power tools for a shop foreman in order to have something specially machined, I will. Sure the accounting is there with currency as the standard that would otherwise be involved, but it isn't involved if it doesn't have to be. The only things changing hands are services, invoices, and handshakes when it's all over.

"It's outdated and out of style."
There's a saying "If it works, use it--if it keeps working, stick with it." Oh wait, that's two sayings in one.

"It's out of touch and from a long time ago"
People still do it today, almost subconsciously. Never stopped. Difference now is we primarily use money.

"The world has moved on from that, we have <insert market, and blahblahblah>, you need to live in the real world of here and now."

If the world has moved on from it, why is it still going on?

"We need currency. It's impractical not to have it."
It's impractical to completely eliminate currency, it is not impractical to reduce use of currency. Yes we do need it, though the reason currency was originally invented was because goods to be traded may not have met one trader's needs at a particular time. The concept of barter and trade still exists and it still works.

The two-party political system has been officially abandoned
Not sure how that would work. Maybe if all the various large groupings were more independent from each other.

I.E. Fiscally conservative democrats were a separate group from general democrats; you'd have libertarians in general; Traditional conservatives and secular conservatives; Green Party, as opposed what I'd like to call "Green Marketeers**; moderates; liberals separate from progressives; and let's not forget independents.

**Those who perhaps are a bit more moderate or even conservative but still have beliefs in preservation of the environment, and have different and more practical ways of going about it as opposed to purely idealistic, also are markedly for finding transitional solutions that *do not* overly detriment the economy. Purely my naming but it is *not* a new idea (feel free to use it, though). Being ex Green myself, I still like to pride myself on advocacy of self sustaining, clean energy solutions for every household--every man producing most if not all of the power he uses. That is the ultimate of energy independence. I credit the Nikola Tesla as father of the modern household energy independence concept. It isn't 100% practical, but I think it's a start.

There is a "Great Collapse"--the Great Depression x 10
We're definitely not "out of the woods" yet. While I m thankful our president did not nationalize the banks, I do believe there is a lot of reconciliation to be done. The foreclosures are troubling: if the banks are not compliant with the print of their own agreements and have seized property only to try now to sell it to somebody else...what will happen? Will our gov't. seize the assets (similar to how De Rothschild did)?

You'll forgive my speculation:

I see a China world power rising. Most of the world will come to rely upon a chinese centric Asia in the world market. Also, though only time will tell, I do not believe the Chinese wish to be too friendly with the U.S. for very much longer as a matter of ascending to mantle of economic world power. Their vast population and land occupation will inhibit them from being able to give independent transportation to its people in a ratio like America has already done. Still, they will try to buy everyone they can and pull them away from the U.S. Some countries will remain loyal but America will likely face some setbacks at the least.

What china doesn't have is original ideas. We still have innovation and we needn't give up our ideas.

I do not believe the rest of the world will rise to our standards of living, often what happens is the high end gets dragged down to everybody else's level.

We could become our own producer again. I don't see why we have to buy everybody's trash when we slip. Sure it'll drive costs up, but that's the price we'll have to pay. It isn't protectionism or anti trade, isolationism or xenophobia, it's self sustainism. Investing in our own firms is investing in our own country. Why don't we just give up our farming? Because it is strategically wise in the case of a world disaster (long overdue according to geologists) we need something to produce our own food in case we're cut off from the rest of the world. Because international trade has sold our jobs overseas.

It was possible to simply work long and hard to make your fortune, once. It is now no longer. An education will only guarantee an education and promise some consideration over others. It seems in this age that is your best hope as it is almost unheard of anymore to become something purely by trade and training anymore. Still a generalist seems to adapt well due to experience and pragmatism--even so it's hard. Combining general pragmatism and education is one's best bet.
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