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Old 05-15-2012, 05:26 AM   #50
Rtas Vadum
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Originally Posted by arsenalforever View Post
Also another thing, when we speak to Kavar on Onderon after the Civil War, he says that the Jedi in order to hide themselves, went to planets touched by war because it would be difficult for the Sith to detect them through the Force in such planets right? But later he says

"Worlds touched by war, or great tragedies, can be felt within the Force...strongly"

Isn't this a contradiction to what he says earlier?
It seems to be, but the problem is that, those who do feel echos of the tragedies that occurred, find only that it is difficult to feel anything else. So on these worlds, touched by war, those looking would find only these echos, while the Masters remain hidden behind it.

Originally Posted by arsenalforever View Post
Also, he says that the echoes they felt from the Exile were similar to those they felt from the Sith threat, so how does cutting the Exile off from the Force help them achieve anything?
It obviously doesn't, or rather it wouldn't have, if it was possible to go through with it. But they don't see that. They care little for how much of a help you have been to the galaxy. All that matters to them are the fact that the Exile forms bonds with others, in order to strengthen herself. Here, there seems to be no problem. However, they believe that the Exile leeches far more than excess, and therein is the problem. They take the Exile for what they seem to be, nothing more.

Originally Posted by arsenalforever View Post
Zez himself admitted that he saw the Exile run around Nar Shaddaa helping those in the Refugee Sector, etc. and felt ashamed that he didn't try to help people. He commended the Exile for his efforts, and what does he do on Dantooine?
He, and the rest of the Jedi Masters were trying to hide from the Sith. If they acted themselves, they would've drew their attention, and been unable to fight them off, especially alone. However, despite what he says, he is still a Jedi, and obviously a Master at that. Even if he did gain some truth in his exile, upon returning to being the thing he had been avoiding, along with it comes the same bloody problems, as it caused before.

Originally Posted by arsenalforever View Post
Even after seeing the Exile do so much, why do the Masters still believe him/her to be the threat to them? Just because he turned away from the Force? Just because he didn't rely on the Force as heavily as they did? Atleast he/she helped the Republic, the Jedi Masters were just hiding and doing nothing.
One problem that exists within the Jedi, and the Sith. Both groups are hell bent on the mantra of "There is No life without the Force". As Jedi, they are already arrogant enough to think, One, that they, as Jedi, can learn all the secrets the force holds(without ever having to feel the dark side), and two, that the dark side is a perversion of the force, and not at all what it should be. What they not only fail to realize, but refuse to, is that the force is not simply a power in which a user can chose a single side, and expect to understand it.

However, it comes down to a single thing, said a few times over: her unique connection, her ability to form bonds(or his, of course). It isn't something they can understand, and thus, when one finds something they cannot understand, what is the first emotion to arise? Fear. Even beyond that, how could they possibly learn to feel the force as the Exile does? In the moment Kreia shows them this, they die. So they, in another display of their arrogance, decide to break her connection, and nothing else. They expect that the Sith will show themselves, that there will be ground to fight on, planned and understood by all. But they should've understood then, that after Katar, that isn't how it works, or how it is going to work. Even Kavar, who almost seems to have known that Vaklu was getting help from the Sith, and what does he do? Act as a bodyguard for Queen Talia. Nothing else.

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