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Old 02-06-2005, 07:24 AM   #1
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Am I the only one who finds it wrong that they sound differently?

Aren't they all supposed to be clones of boba fett? I can understand that they'd have different characters, but different voices?
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Old 02-06-2005, 07:31 AM   #2
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They're clones of Jango Fett.

Voice is not a genetic thing, but more of a geographical thing. Best explanation I can pull out of my ass would be that they were grown in different kind of enviorments, causing different pitches in their voices. Where as I suppose the normal clones all grew up in a Jango Fett kinda enviroment, so they sound like him. Kind of like how people will get an accent depending on where they are, who they're around.


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Old 02-06-2005, 08:15 AM   #3
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Well, they wanted to add a little charecter to the clones, I'd imagine.

But for a techincal reason, like Sithy said, they probably just grew up in different areas, so they have different dialects.


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Old 02-06-2005, 09:06 AM   #4
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No, I don't think so, ET. In a quote from Hard Contact (the book tie-in to RC), Jango tells his commando trainers that they will have everything they want except for freedom. They are kept on Kamino, and their families beleive them dead. The only times the clones are away from Kamino are during mission,s and I don't think they remain long enough to develop accents.

So, yes, PantsAlot, you're right. But as Zbomb said, the game wouldn't be much fun if the cloens didn't have personality, which is what their voice gives them. I myself have grown to develop "friendships" with my squad mates in the demo based on their personality

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Old 02-06-2005, 09:22 AM   #5
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Well, they are all on Kamino, but maybe they have different training sections, where the instructors have accents?

I dunno, maybe there is no "techincal reason".


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Old 02-06-2005, 09:24 AM   #6
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No, I don't think so, ET. In a quote from Hard Contact (the book tie-in to RC), Jango tells his commando trainers that they will have everything they want except for freedom. They are kept on Kamino, and their families beleive them dead. The only times the clones are away from Kamino are during mission,s and I don't think they remain long enough to develop accents.
Just because they're kept on Kamino doesn't mean they don't have them in different enviroments. An enviroment is just the surroundings that create your habitat. They could have particular clones that are created for certain jobs kept in different style enviroments within the lab.


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Old 02-06-2005, 01:43 PM   #7
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i think a way we could use the book for an explanation on different voices is that the squad is made up of commandos who lost their squadmates, like in the book, and each commando had a different teacher which caused the different accents.
after playing jedi academy were no matter the specie chosen the same voice was used, the different voices don't bother me that much even if there is no explanation.


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Old 02-06-2005, 03:04 PM   #8
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Re: Am I the only one who finds it wrong that they sound differently?

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Aren't they all supposed to be clones of boba fett? I can understand that they'd have different characters, but different voices?
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Old 02-06-2005, 06:01 PM   #9
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Maybe some of them have just been kicked in the testicles one too many times.
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Old 02-07-2005, 12:22 AM   #11
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Re: Am I the only one who finds it wrong that they sound differently?

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Aren't they all supposed to be clones of boba fett? I can understand that they'd have different characters, but different voices?
Out of Universe:

1) Apparently when Lucas made ANH he hadn't planned to make the Stormtroopers clones. Apparently this idea didn't come out until the 80's but it was forgotten until AOTC. Hence the Stormies have different heights and voices in the classic trilogy. And despite his having the technology back then (and now) to "fix" it, he hasn't. Even on the new DVD's this is so. And just so you know, in the EU (created prior to AOTC's revelation in 2002), the Stormtroopers were not shown to be or thought of as being clones. A few short years after ROTJ, the Rebels were "shocked" to see Thrawn's army using clones, which was regarded as "lost" and "banned" tech, "left over from the clone wars."

During the Battle of Endor even, Stormtroopers were unmasked, and apparently they weren't shocked then by what they saw. Also in the EU there's characters who were "former Stormtroopers," etc and they aren't recognized as being clones. So retcons have been created, but I'm not sure exactly what they are. I am guessing they went with the "multiple clone templates other than Jango" explanation. Other explanations are that they started conscripting/taking enlisted guys after awhile, and either stopped using clones, changed cloning techniques (to explain the different techniques and time for growth in the EU vs. AOTC) and/or got different groups to clone batches for them.

2) In the game, it's easier to tell who's talking if they have different voices.

3) The developers wanted to differentiate the characters more to make them more interesting (the same way the four identical Turtles in TMNT are given all kinds of subtle differences to make them stand out from each other, or why they make Ken and Ryu different in the Street Fighter games).

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1) Bunch of (BS) about how they are "experimental" clones who have different personalities and such, so this further differentiates them.

2) Accents aren't genetic, but culturally conditioned. Jango Fett had the accent, but his "son" didn't. Jango died when Boba was very young.

So Lucas had no reason to change Boba Fett's voice in ESB, because there's no reason he'd suddenly have Jango's accent. You could of course make up some story like he was so obsessed with taking on his late father's legacy that he practiced with tapes of his dad's voice to the point where he could imitate it exactly and did so for the rest of his adult life.


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Old 02-07-2005, 05:26 AM   #12
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Or in the end we could all just say "who cares, it's star wars"


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Old 02-07-2005, 05:31 AM   #13
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Old 02-07-2005, 11:34 AM   #15
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Re: Re: Am I the only one who finds it wrong that they sound differently?

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During the Battle of Endor even, Stormtroopers were unmasked, and apparently they weren't shocked then by what they saw.
We saw unmasked Stormtroopers at the very beginning and all throughout ANH. The black-uniformed officers with insignia are Stormtrooper Officers in non-combat dress.
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We saw unmasked Stormtroopers at the very beginning and all throughout ANH. The black-uniformed officers with insignia are Stormtrooper Officers in non-combat dress.
I thought officers were a step higher than the footmen Stormtroopers?


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Old 02-07-2005, 12:37 PM   #17
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They are. It means that in combat they wear a standard uniform.

Look in RotJ when the Scout Trooper "captures" Leia. His squadmate refers to him as an officer or someone of higher rank. He could be a Scout Trooper officer.

Also, a lot of Navy troopers, officers and pilots don't wear a mask and they are obviously not clones.


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Old 02-07-2005, 08:50 PM   #18
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I thought officers were a step higher than the footmen Stormtroopers?

Here and I thought that the Officer corps were seperate from the Stormtroopers. Ie: we have a seperate group commanding the Troopers in armor.

But you're saying that, canonically, those are what Stormtroopers look like outside the armor?

Ha! Then explain that one Lucas... none of those guys look alike, or bear any resemblance to Temura Morrison.
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Or is this some Pre-AOTC EU thing? Because in the EU it was also said that the Imperial Red Guards were "taken from the Stormtrooper ranks" (contradicted by AOTC, since we see the Red Guards in Palpy's office, BEFORE the Clones are brought from Kamino, in full view of the Jedi and everyone).

Incidentally, the Officers might still be clones, we just have no way of proving that, unless we run into the twin of some officer... but by that logic anyone in the Star Wars movies could be a clone, so it gets us nowhere fast.

It's true in the movies we sometimes see Stormtroopers commanded by non-armored "officers" other times we see them commanded by other Stormtroopers.

And we also see the so-called "Naval Troopers" with their funky black helmets (similar to the Rebel commando helmets, only black) and black uniforms.

We could say, sure, you have a squad of clones in their usual armor, and then a non-clone officer puts on some armor and joins them on a mission. Okay.

But then they had a ranking system with the Clone Troopers in AOTC as well. And the only non-trooper armor types we saw commanding them were Jedi Knights.

Then again, in the animated Clone Wars series (C-Level canon, we'll have to see if ROTS contradicts this in any way) we have Jedi donning the armor as well, while going with the squad on a mission...


But I hesitate to call a non-clone who dons the armor for a special occasion (rather than wearing it all the time like the clones) a "Stormtrooper."

PS: Are the "TIE Pilots" supposed to be Stormtroopers? In AOTC they had special "clone pilots".... Or are they just guys wearing space suites for using a fighter?


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Old 02-08-2005, 04:58 AM   #19
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Um... pilots are pilots... trained at the Naval Academy... Han Solo anyone?

As for the stormtroopers being clones... I'm sure by ANH, the clones would be getting pretty old due to growth acceleration. also, where is Kamino in the OT? Did it get destroyed in between?

As for Royal Guardsmen, perhaps they were specially trained on Yinchorr? And once they started getting stormtroopers, take the best ones and train them.

It's people that think too much and focus on contradictions and "abc-canon" crap that ruin it for themselves and others instead of just freaking enjoying the damn stories.
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Indeed, enough of the over-analyzing.

It's Star Wars, it's a space fantasy, none of that thinking such is to be done while viewing.


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George Lucas allowed the guys from Lucasarts to add nicknames and feelings to the clones.
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i don't know if this adds or detracts from the conversation, but upon reading each squad member's description on the official site, there are some interesting details ...

DELTA THREE-EIGHT
Despite being trained by Walon Vau, Three-Eight somehow inherited Jango's strong Concord Dawn accent and speech patterns.

DELTA FOUR-OH
Four-Oh was a favorite of the borderline sociopathic Vau - as they shared a common obssession with tech and tactics.

DELTA OH-SEVEN
Other members of the squad suspect that someone spiked his cloning vat.

DELTA SIX-TWO
'Scorch' earned his nickname after an ordnance accident that left him and Sergeant Walon Vau without eyebrows for a short time.

so, it seems that this walon vau fella plays a significant role in the training of the RCs, and it seems he does not have the same voice/accent as jango. can we assume vau is also a clone?

i doubt the cloning process is a one-and-done thing. i'd be willing to bet they 'special order' what each batch will be used for, and can tweak various aspects to allow the clones to excel in their predetermined jobs. it does take away somewhat from the 'canon' of the movies where each clone does sound similar, but how else could we easily determine who's who? it's a game afterall, it doesn't bother me THAT much.
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Ill try to keep this from gettng religious or anything, but dont forget, just because they are "clones" doesnt mean that they have the same personality. With cloning, its more like a genetic blueprint. I think its kinda like having a twin; they may look the same, but yall can have different personalities. Its like what they said in the Designer's notes: Theres a factor of the Human gene called "Factor H" that makes humans different from one another. Almost like a "soul". Again, my apologies to anyone offened by this.
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They are kept on Kamino, and their families beleive them dead. The only times the clones are away from Kamino are during mission,s and I don't think they remain long enough to develop accents
What do you mean, "their families believe them dead". They're clones right? Unless Lama Su & co run an adoption center...


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The Commandos' trainers were the ones that never left Kamino. Clone troopers are all over the galaxy
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Y'know, i remember reading somewhere that the kaminoans didn't like the regular clone troopers for some reason that I forgot, and proceeded to create the Clone Commandos. They were created a bit different from the other clones. Clearly different enough to allow them to develop their own personalities. Maybe that caused the different voices too.

(About Boss, it's pretty clear that somehow the voice got cloned with him too. But we've also got stuff like 'genetic memory', so meh.)

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where is Kamino in the OT? Did it get destroyed in between?
I think it only became less interesting.

Though the Emperor could use it to double his army in no time.

And then it'd be the rebels main target.

Damn, what DID happen to Kamino?
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Kamino is of no use by the time the OT comes around. The emperor is in power, and he was doing damn good of staying in power. (Until Luke showed up)


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Y'know, i remember reading somewhere that the kaminoans didn't like the regular clone troopers for some reason that I forgot, and proceeded to create the Clone Commandos.
Yet in the movie, Lama Su kept going on about how magnificent they were...

The Commandos were made for special missions. Same with the ARC trooper.

Commandos are a bit less of a drone like the meatbag troopers, but still have high loyalty and obeying orders without question. In other words, they think more. ARCs are almost identical Jangos... just loyal to the Republic <.<
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Doesn't it say in the developer notes that the problem with ARCs is that they are LITERALLY Jango clones. I mean, they may be loyal, but you try telling them to go on a suicide mission! (Prepare to loose a few fingers).

Commandos are a compromise, not brain-dead, but fairly controllable.

With clone troopers being pretty much fleshy droids in comparison.


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Um... pilots are pilots... trained at the Naval Academy... Han Solo anyone?

As for the stormtroopers being clones... I'm sure by ANH, the clones would be getting pretty old due to growth acceleration. also, where is Kamino in the OT? Did it get destroyed in between?

As for Royal Guardsmen, perhaps they were specially trained on Yinchorr? And once they started getting stormtroopers, take the best ones and train them.

It's people that think too much and focus on contradictions and "abc-canon" crap that ruin it for themselves and others instead of just freaking enjoying the damn stories.
There's people who get paid handsomely to worry about that stuff. Unfortunately I'm not one of 'em! ; )


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Its a clever move by LA to use different personalities to keep gameplay and interaction fresh with your fellow Deltas, and from what I have gathered, an explanation is feasible.

As far as i've learned, Jango Fett's instructor's weren't clones of him, but allies that were handchosen by the Prime Clone himself to train the armies.

As far as differentiating between Advanced Recon Commandos and Clone Commandos, ARCs are identical Jango Fett templates in that they havent been tampered with at all (with perhaps the only exception being the growth acceleration - or maybe not.. as ill point out later), and were each trained by Fett himself. Much like Fett, they are incredible at their art, but also share the same independance as the being they are based off and hence proved incredibly difficult for the Republic to control. This resulted in the small quantity of ARC Troopers being placed back into stasis and only released when absolutely necessary (ref. The Defence of Kamino).

This took the genetics officers of Kamino back to square one, and hence they began to develop a new tactic which involved 'raising' a squad of four individuals to work in sync as a unit, much like the aiwha (flying beasts you see burst out of the seascapes of Kamino) do when they hunt.

So looking at the get-go, Clone Commandos are segregated from other Troopers and are only trained together as a squad from their very beginnings, and hence are open to develop their own personalities; as, for example, siblings do. I expect Fett himself had little to do with their training, hence accents developed by Commandos would differ to a degree. Keep in mind that Fett's Concord Dawn accent could have been shared by some of his trainers, which would explain Delta Three Eight.

As far as the connection between Stormtroopers and Clone Troopers goes, im sure most of the Clones would have died out through combat or accelerated aging by the time of the OT. Then seeing as the Empire had total control, it would recruit from the masses much the same as police forces or military do these days, to boost the efficiency of its forces with more free thinking individuals. I see the use of the Clones by Palpatine as a quick rise to power and then nothing more. Wiping out his Seperatist opposition using his planted Sith agents, combined with using his Sith leaders to use the Seperatists to thin the Jedi simultaneously was a genius plan. Ive gotta give him that much..

There is a Dark Horse comic that portrays Luke Skywalker and a Clone Trooper on the cover. It seems that he seeks out the assistance of the CT to aid him in a mission. Could this be a surviving ARC Trooper? It would make sense, seeing as these pure replicas of Jango were fully independant and self sufficient.

Very interesting indeed!

As for Jango keeping his father's accent, he was already around 12 when Mace took down Jango on Geonosis and I suspect, since then; has lived alone, thus the accent stayed with him.
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As far as differentiating between Advanced Recon Commandos and Clone Commandos, ARCs are identical Jango Fett templates in that they havent been tampered with at all (with perhaps the only exception being the growth acceleration - or maybe not.. as ill point out later)
If they didn't have growth acceleration, they'd all be little 10 year old kids like Boba (who wasn't growth accelerated), so that doesn't work. Remember, according to Lucas only 2-3 years pass between Episode II and III, and since the "Clone Wars" series which introduces the ARC troopers takes place in that short period, they simply have to be growth accelerated to be ready in time!

If they are independant, fine, but of course that means they may have rebelled against their being treated as slaves & cannon fodder, unless Jango was able to pay them or convince them to be loyal to him somehow.

If you got this info from the EU novels fine, but I'm just saying. ; )

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This took the genetics officers of Kamino back to square one, and hence they began to develop a new tactic which involved 'raising' a squad of four individuals to work in sync as a unit, much like the aiwha (flying beasts you see burst out of the seascapes of Kamino) do when they hunt.
That doesn't solve the independance problem, and they still have to be growth accelerated. Just saying...

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As far as the connection between Stormtroopers and Clone Troopers goes, im sure most of the Clones would have died out through combat or accelerated aging by the time of the OT. Then seeing as the Empire had total control, it would recruit from the masses much the same as police forces or military do these days, to boost the efficiency of its forces with more free thinking individuals.
This really has yet to be explained in G-level canon. It's possible we'll learn of this in the Episode III G-level materials (novel, DVD), but if not there's some possible retcons handy:

1) The Empire switched to numerous clone "templates" and these included going to the highest bidder kind of thing, like rich officer families contributing their "templates."

2) The Empire hired on lots of different planets besides Kamino, with different templates to use in their clone stocks.

3) After the Clone Wars, they started getting conscripts/recruites and brainwashing them, which was cheaper than using clones. And the clones were eventually phased out, or relegated to a small percentage of the Stormtrooper population.

4) After the Clone Wars, they switched to a new faster (but more dangerous) technique involving the Spaarti Cylinders and all that hokum from the Thrawn novels in the EU.

Lucas just threw it all into chaos with his announcement that the Jango Clones became the Stormtroopers.


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I see the use of the Clones by Palpatine as a quick rise to power and then nothing more. Wiping out his Seperatist opposition using his planted Sith agents, combined with using his Sith leaders to use the Seperatists to thin the Jedi simultaneously was a genius plan. Ive gotta give him that much..
Getting a big army in secret quickly with clones makes a lot of sense. The question is, does he continue making clones up to the time of Episode IV? Hence the need for some explanation there, because if nothing else changed, there's no way Kamino could provide that many soldiers, and the batches they had ready would be too old by that time.

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There is a Dark Horse comic that portrays Luke Skywalker and a Clone Trooper on the cover. It seems that he seeks out the assistance of the CT to aid him in a mission. Could this be a surviving ARC Trooper? It would make sense, seeing as these pure replicas of Jango were fully independant and self sufficient.

Very interesting indeed!
Maybe, but that's assuming the growth acceleration isn't on this dude. Let's say he was "born" during time the Army was created, that would mean he'd be in his late 20's, early 30's by the time of the OT (like Boba), and assuming this is EU, add onto that whatever number of years it's supposed to be. If he DOES have growth acceleration, then double whatever his age is.

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As for Jango keeping his father's accent, he was already around 12 when Mace took down Jango on Geonosis and I suspect, since then; has lived alone, thus the accent stayed with him.
So how did Boba pick up the accent in the first place? He didn't have it as a child when his dad died. Fast Forward 30 years and suddenly he's got an identical "Concord Dawn" accent as his father (via Lucas's revised 2004 OT).


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Old 02-12-2005, 11:08 AM   #34
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So how did Boba pick up the accent in the first place? He didn't have it as a child when his dad died. Fast Forward 30 years and suddenly he's got an identical "Concord Dawn" accent as his father (via Lucas's revised 2004 OT).
You expect too much of a child actor. What they needed was someone that'd look like how Jango would have likely looked as a child. There's only so much you can teach a kid. And you can't digitally give a kid an accent.


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All Lucas had to do was find a kid who COULD speak that accent, and dub over the Boba actor's lines.

He's done that sort of thing before (he redubbed all of Beru's lines in ANH, and David Prowse's for Darth Vader, plus he had to do Threepio's because of the noisey suit, Darth Maul's lines in TPM, etc). Sure, as the actor I'd be pissed, but oh well.

Things were fine until Lucas decided to dub over adult Boba's lines in ESB...


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He could've but he didn't need to.

Plus there are lots of kids that over time develop their accent. We could assume Boba is one of these kids. He developes the accent later on. *shrugs*

It's Star Wars, people need to stop being so picky about trivial things.


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Maybe Boba spent enough time on Concord Dawn between AOTC and ESB to develope an accent.
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He could've but he didn't need to.

Plus there are lots of kids that over time develop their accent. We could assume Boba is one of these kids. He developes the accent later on. *shrugs*

It's Star Wars, people need to stop being so picky about trivial things.
Well, like I said, it's George's fault. He was really the "picky" one, who had to change his movie, throwing the "logic" of it into confusion on points like this. ; )

One out of universe theory could point to Lucas making a blunder in AOTC, then wishing to cover it, by changing ESB instead (a movie he didn't originally direct, but has control over), or thinking his audience too stupid to recognize that Boba and Jango are clones of one another and make the connection between trilogies (despite having the same ship, armor, weapons, job, etc).

I don't see how the fans are to blame for noticing!

Yeah, obviously he somehow picked up the accent, in-universe, it's just left as a mystery for now.


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Maybe the accent was there, but we couldn't hear it since his voice hadn't changed? Or maybe he studied his father through videos, and developed the accent. Who knows...


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Or maybe he studied his father through videos, and developed the accent.
That's kind of creepy...


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