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Old 08-09-2005, 07:09 AM   #1
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Wink Mystery of the MYTH (Will there be a KOTOR 3 ?)

After playing the first two games over and over numerous times, nearly pazaaking myself to death (You really can make some decent credits playing that) Exploring every avenue, and making sure I had seen everything at least once, I realized, there MUST be a third game, if there is not, my little KOTOR world will calapse around me, and I will cry myself to sleep for at least one night. (Probably more) I have to know, based on the mature opinions of these forums *Snicker* Will there, or will there not, be another installment of the game? And if so, will it follow to storyline? What do you think?


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Old 08-09-2005, 09:52 AM   #2
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I think there will be another game and it will finish the story started in TSL and have a new story of its own.

My guess is you'll start as a new character, learn the force from a mysterious old man who looks strangely like Jolee Bindo, find T3-M4 and HK-47, the droids know where Revan and the Exile went, you go to face this new threat talked about in TSL. Thatís my story and Iím stickn' to it.

Now, will KotOR III be any good at all? I can't say for sure. If they have longer than a 1 year development, then yes.

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Old 08-09-2005, 11:50 AM   #3
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Pure pazaak? Play it allll the time. lol


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Old 08-09-2005, 12:16 PM   #4
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i think they will, eventually...
i also think they need to make a stand alone pazaak game (kinda' like solitaire on windows), now that would be really cool...


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Old 08-09-2005, 12:25 PM   #5
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i think they will, eventually...
i also think they need to make a stand alone pazaak game (kinda' like solitaire on windows), now that would be really cool...
umm.. look about 3 posts up

or here: http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?t=150010



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Old 08-09-2005, 12:50 PM   #6
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Chainz, what do you think about this topic though? Will there be a third game?
Or did the second game just not cut it sale wise, dooming the series. Tell us what you think!


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Old 08-09-2005, 01:26 PM   #7
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ACK! I've been "called out".. hehehe

purely IMO, I think the KotOR Franchise is just way too popular to not go with a 3rd version. I'd like to see a 3rd, if just for some 'closure' to the story (as mentioned in another post of mine).

To me there's too many un-answered questions left (story wise). If Obsidian, or whomever takes over the role, can come back with a storylline that answers those questions, or something that just lays us flat on our keesters, I think they will gain back alot of the initial rapport with the fans.

KotOR, both series, have made a big name for itself with gamers. When, TSL was just in the "mentioning" phase, it became hectic and the initial build-up was intense. The day it was released, our own forums were flooded with "Where did you get the game at?? It's sold out here!" or "Arggh... it's not on the shelves yet!" (bring back memories anyone? hehe... )

I indeed at least hope there will be a 3rd, and I just can't see LA thinking a 3rd release to be a "bad move"... if I had to place a bet, then I'd say "All or nothing that there will be a KotOR III"... of course, me being at work right now pretty much says I'm not all that great with gambling..

Let's hope my luck changes, at least for this bet..


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Old 08-09-2005, 01:34 PM   #8
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I really hope you are right, because seriosuly, the series has so much potential. It reminds me back in the day of like, resident evil, when I would keep telling myself "They can NEVER make too many of these" It' IMO that they could keep making KOTOR games forever, like James Bond, and it would still captivate gamers because of the creative storylines (Which, I would say, are better than some of the star wars movies) and the massive areas, and non-linear gameplay, you can even change aspects of the damn PLOT. Here is the thing, as long as the game has those aspects, it doesnt matter to me who releases it, and with what graphics engine, as long as I can play a true KOTOR game, and explore new areas and storylines, thats good enough for me.


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Old 08-09-2005, 01:48 PM   #9
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I'm sure they will bring out another, the story was just not completed at the close of KotOR II.


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Old 08-09-2005, 02:38 PM   #10
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Well, yeah, I would like to have that kind of optimism about it, but I am just worried that they might cancel the whole thing altogether, video game companies have done that before, even with the story not being finished. What about Jedi Knight? Dark Forces 2 came out ages ago, and then, just recently, out of the f'ing blue comes JEDI KNIGHT 2 or whatever, and Im not sure if LA does it that way, that I would be any happier than if they just canned it. I mean...I don't want to age half a decade (while my computer does the same) and wait for the third game to come it. It just kind of makes me mad that it isnt on their lineup. Especially when they make stupid a$$ games like "MERCENARIES" instead of the games people really like. Oh well, Heres to hoping, but somehow, I feel like we will all be a few years older when the game comes out, and by that time it will be like "OH! I FORGOT ALL ABOUT KOTOR"


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Old 08-09-2005, 03:27 PM   #11
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Lol, Dark Forces II. The first computer game I ever beat. I was just seven then. Ah, the memories...

You do bring up a good point. The Dark Forces franchise was going pretty good, but all of the sudden it just stopped. I guess there is a possibility of them doing that with KotOR. I sure hope not, though. If they wait more than five years it'll be to late for me. I'll be living in a remote area of Egypt...
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Old 08-09-2005, 03:41 PM   #12
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I can't see Lucasarts not doing a third installment (for that matter, as long as it remains a money-maker, more installments after that). KOTOR has been successful, both financially and popularity-wise. It's given fans of Star Wars an arena to play a character in the Star Wars universe in a manner never done before (ie. RPG story driven).

It's my opinion (and hope) that Lucasarts not only does a KOTOR III to close the KOTOR series saga, but does more cRPG type games in the Star Wars universe.
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Old 08-09-2005, 04:18 PM   #13
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There will be at least one episode in the KOTOR franchise, just take the open ending in KOTOR II with Revan still missing in the Outer Rim and the Exile and T3 searching for him in the Ebon Hawk. I think LA will bring the tale of Revan to an end with it.
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Old 08-09-2005, 05:01 PM   #14
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There should be a KOTOR III and since it was just released in what December 2004, it isn't exactly odd that nothing has been said about a third installment yet.

As far as bringing the story to an end, I think the third game would do just that. Too many games could become a little tedious and unoriginal considering that in every game, a new playable character will be introduced, which in my opinion, is a little lame.

Here's hoping that KOTOR III is announced soon after the release of the Next-Gen consoles.
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Old 08-09-2005, 05:27 PM   #15
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I guess I can see what you are saying james, but at the same time, I have to say, so far the games have remained similar in structure and gameplay, yet uniquely playable each time. Both games reflect each other, but they have their own styles as well. And also, I think they have found a BRILLIANT way of incorporating the players own created charactor into the storyline. I can say this is the only series of games I have ever beat more than once, and I nearly never beat games. Personally, I would be happy with an ongoing cash-cow series like final fantasy or something. Just my opinion. But also, it seems to me that KOTOR 2 was announced fairly quickly after the hit success of the first game. Point being, as an avid fan, you have to kind of wonder whats going to happen to something you love. Thats all


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Old 08-09-2005, 06:38 PM   #16
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But also, it seems to me that KOTOR 2 was announced fairly quickly after the hit success of the first game.
True, but you have to remember the second game was rushed mainly because LA wanted to monopolize on their newest success. After the second one went on sale and everyone had played it, there was a backwash of people who hated it mostly because it was rushed. I think LA plans on making a third installment, but is smart enough not to let the public know at this point in time, because they know that most of the fans would be petitioning them saying "DON'T RUSH ON THIS!". The way I look at it, there will be a third one, but we won't be hearing about it any time soon. Not to say it'll take half a decade or more, but it will probably be a few more months until we hear anything about it.


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Old 08-09-2005, 06:50 PM   #17
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Good point Dark Lord, all I am saying is that if the game takes too long to make, then people are going to lose interest. Yes, Kotor 2 was a bit rushed, and you felt it throughout the game, but you know what? I loved that game, and I can't find it in me to hold that fact against what is otherwise, an awesome video gaming expierience. I mean, there are not really many other games where you can do the things you can in knights of the old republic. Overall, I hope you guys are right that the game is on the slate somewhere, but damn, I am having trouble finding something fun to hold me over untill the next one, perhaps Jade Empire? I don't know. But anyway, yeah, I personally think the game isx on the way, I just somehow hope it is more on the way then they are letting on.


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True, but you have to remember the second game was rushed mainly because LA wanted to monopolize on their newest success. After the second one went on sale and everyone had played it, there was a backwash of people who hated it mostly because it was rushed. I think LA plans on making a third installment, but is smart enough not to let the public know at this point in time, because they know that most of the fans would be petitioning them saying "DON'T RUSH ON THIS!". The way I look at it, there will be a third one, but we won't be hearing about it any time soon. Not to say it'll take half a decade or more, but it will probably be a few more months until we hear anything about it.


Just my opinion.
My guess is it'll be on the XBox 360. And they'll want to build a new engine for it, so that'll add atleast 1 year of development, probably more. So the earliest we'd see it is around early to mid 2007.
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Old 08-09-2005, 07:14 PM   #19
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Fans will riot if there is not another one.



Okay, maybe not that extreme, but there would be many unhappy people and a lot of people would stop buying LA I'd bet if there wasn't a kotor 3.


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Old 08-09-2005, 07:38 PM   #20
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a lot of people would stop buying LA I'd bet if there wasn't a kotor 3.
I know I'd stop buying stuff from LA if there wasn't a k3. Kotor was really the only LA product I ever enjoyed. *notices he's on a LA site* uhh... I think I'll end it at that


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Old 08-09-2005, 07:41 PM   #21
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KOTOR FANS UNITE! lol. It's true though, it seems to me almost like LA has gone a little downhill. Where they used to have a lot of sweet games, now they are kind of making dumb ones. But what the hell, they keep making KOTOR, and I will be a loyal customer.


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Old 08-09-2005, 08:12 PM   #22
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Anyway guys, I really want to encourage anyone to keep their eyes peeled for any rumors, or announcements about the game (we have all already seen the scam announcment from a "Leading Member" of Bioware, so please, spare us that one.) But if anyone hears anything, and can show where the found the information, it would really be great to hear about the game.


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Old 08-09-2005, 09:24 PM   #23
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*notices he's on a LA site* uhh... I think I'll end it at that
Is it? I always thought this was just a "fansite", but that Lucasarts just never bothered to shut down.
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I did email the CEO Of obsidian a couple weeks ago, and he told me that alot of them really want to do a KTR3 but they arent sure whether or not it will be done, or if they are going to do it. Still, I just thought it was kind of neat that the CEO emailed me back, it kind of makes me like the video game industry that much more than all the other companies out there.


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Old 08-10-2005, 12:16 PM   #26
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I did email the CEO Of obsidian a couple weeks ago, and he told me that alot of them really want to do a KTR3 but they arent sure whether or not it will be done, or if they are going to do it. Still, I just thought it was kind of neat that the CEO emailed me back, it kind of makes me like the video game industry that much more than all the other companies out there.
Truthfully, I believe ObsidianEnt. will not be the one to make KotOR III. If I can place a bet on it, I think BioWare will return to the helm. ObsidianEnt is allways getting involved with the public, for they try to control their PR. If you want to learn more about KotOR III, I would go to the people who are in charge 'Lucas Arts'. I learned through my experiences that you should go to the source. If the horse's mouth doen't say anything, then everything else is speculation, rumor, or a public relations stunt to win over a contract.



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Old 08-10-2005, 12:11 PM   #27
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Here is a theory:
1. KotOR III will be released in 2007/2008.
2. KotOR III is being worked on secretly, but with a small team.
3. KotOR III will have a new game engine, which is similar to "Empire at War".
4. KotOR III is probally being built from the ground up.
5. KotOR III will be available for XBOX 360 and PC only.
6. KotOR III will be more cinematic than KotOR I.
7. KotOR III will be based upon Revan only, and you will have a new team to pick from. Since the Exile is dead at the end of KotOR II, you will not see him or her in KotOR III.



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Here is a theory:
3. KotOR III will have a new game engine, which is similar to "Empire at War".
i hope not the game engine is what makes KOTOR what it is! it wont be the same if they change it!
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i hope not the game engine is what makes KOTOR what it is! it wont be the same if they change it!
I agree, I hope they just update the current game engine. It's just not KotOR without the Odessy engine.

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But Lucas Arts won't tell you what they are doing/not doing...

At best they will answer something along the lines of I find you lack of faith disturbing but more likely it will be nothing or something like what they said in an interview: That's a great idea. [Poker face]
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But Lucas Arts won't tell you what they are doing/not doing...

At best they will answer something along the lines of I find you lack of faith disturbing but more likely it will be nothing or something like what they said in an interview: A: That's a great idea. [Poker face]
I think the writer of the article wanted to start a fire. When I read the article, the writer never commented on other facial expressions. If we know how he reacted to the other questions, then we can draw a conclusion about his answer to KotOR III.

Since we all have experience with outsider sources, (GameBanshee & ObsidianEnt), I can conclude that their actions were solely for self promotion. How did I conclude this: 1. Obsidian promised a game patch, but Lucas Arts didn't release one. 2. GameBanshee released an article, which were based upon Obsidian's comments, which turned out not to be true. Irony, it is about the same subject. The only people we have not heard from, in great detail, is Lucas Arts.

However, you are right. "That's a great idea. [Poker face]" is not an indication, but rather a questionable answer. [Poker face] <--- This reaction could also be based upon, 'oky lets move on to the next subject'. I really don't think Lucas Arts was happy with Obsidian's product, and I think they are trying to distance themselves from Obsidian. There is something strange in the air...

You also have to remember, when you look at the KotOR II files, with the KotOR Tool, you will find most of them are labled: BioWare. I am beginning to think that Lucas Arts was unhappy with Obsidian, and they decided: "Hey! Since your not building a new product, from the ground up, I want you to release it on this date." Otherwords, we hired you to make a new KotOR, but you went against our expectations...

Another thought, which just came to mind. Lucas Arts could be unhappy with the fact that Obsidian released a game with a poor quality visual and audio files. When ObsidianEnt made a patch for them, Lucas Arts was probally pissed. Since the sound and visual files are essential, and core elements in game development, this would be the final blow to Obsidian's reputation.

Otherwords, Lucas Arts is keeping a closed lid on KotOR III, for they want Obsidian to disapear. Since Lucas Arts is closed mouthed, Obsidian keeps damaging their reputation by making false statements. Obsidian is damaging themselves now, and Lucas Arts is pulling away from them.



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Otherwords, Lucas Arts is keeping a closed lid on KotOR III, for they want Obsidian to disapear. Since Lucas Arts is closed mouthed, Obsidian keeps damaging their reputation by making false statements. Obsidian is damaging themselves now, and Lucas Arts is pulling away from them.
I think you are reading a bit too much into this... you should write novels The only thing I can say is that the answer raises more questions than it answers them.

In any event, employees and other representants of gaming companies cannot reveal information about a future product unless it has been officially announced. Even then, the information is always "filtered": they give you some tidbits to weat your appetite until the final release. This does apply to gaming and to many other areas as well.
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I think you are reading a bit too much into this... you should write novels The only thing I can say is that the answer raises more questions than it answers them.

In any event, employees and other representants of gaming companies cannot reveal information about a future product unless it has been officially announced. Even then, the information is always "filtered": they give you some tidbits to weat your appetite until the final release. This does apply to gaming and to many other areas as well.
Yeah! Somtimes I do read too much into things... lol... I just noticed this thread:
http://www.lucasforums.com/showthrea...9&page=1&pp=40
The above link, which is linked to several others is an example of people trying to start fires. If you don't hear it from Lucas Arts, then I would take everything as just rumor.



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Macleod, Perhaps Lucas arts is unhappy with the product, but personally, I think they shouldnt be. Although I believe Bioware did an excellent job, I still loved Kotor 2. See, I don't give a flaming damn about graphics. If I want to look at a pretty picture, I'll go grab a playboy, ok? Im in this for the story, and for the detailed, non-linear gameplay. If they can deliever that, but only with somewhat LESS than top of the line graphics, screw that, I can handle it.


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I have to revert back to the original motive behind building this thread: impatience. I have to admit, I really just want the game to come out. Guess that's fandom, huh? Well, anyway, I really do hope the game will be seen before 2007, I'd say that's probably a little bit too long of a wait. Wouldn't you?


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i believe that this correct......i know that companies are not allowed to say anything about a game until its made public and MacLeodCorp is way to far in space to even think about the whole thing....no offence...... but also i think that the more that people and fans of the game keep bashing obsidian was actually the best choice i think that they made...... anyway i belive that people should not bash the companies..... i mean do people really want a third game? if so the lucas arts are going to want a company that the people are happy with and they wont be able to decide which one to use so i think that every one should be fine with whatever decsion that they come up with and be greatfull that they are considering makeing a third game.....
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Old 08-11-2005, 07:46 PM   #37
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it turned out there was i was just looking for the link in the rong place!
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Old 08-11-2005, 10:06 PM   #38
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I agree with everyone so far, the Odysey Engine really is what makes the game great. And number 1, Im not sure I see the connection between KOTOR and Empire at war, but thats just me.


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Old 08-13-2005, 04:05 PM   #39
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Lucas Arts has in the past had a lot of trouble making decent console and pc games and like you guys said I can't imagine them not going with such a popular game.

Furthermore I think it would be awesome to possibly even see a kotor 4 and 5 if they can continue to come up with original ideas but we'll see...
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Old 08-15-2005, 02:58 PM   #40
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I think that bioware, will do it, simply because they had such great success, with the first one, but I like your theory Source, only thing is, is that I hope that they keep the same engine as the first two.


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