lfnetwork.com mark read register faq members calendar

Thread: Yeah so I know no one cares about Africa...
Thread Tools Display Modes
Post a new thread. Add a reply to this thread. Indicate all threads in this forum as read. Subscribe to this forum. RSS feed: this forum RSS feed: all forums
Old 01-09-2007, 11:48 PM   #1
Det. Bart Lasiter
obama.png
 
Det. Bart Lasiter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: `(.)~
Posts: 7,997
Current Game: all
Forum Veteran LF Jester 
Yeah so I know no one cares about Africa...

...But since the U.S. just sent forces into Somalia, I figured, "what the hell?".

A bit of recent history about Somalia.
Article on the recent happenings there.
Moar.
Different source.

To summarize the articles, the U.S. has decided to send troops to the country of Somalia, which has been in a state of anarchy since 1991. The Christian "government", which is the one recognized by the U.N., lacks the support of the people, as well as the military strength to control the country.

The purpose for U.S. forces being sent there is supposedly the elimination of Al-Qaida operatives there, however, given the state of affairs in Iraq, and our reasons for going in there, I'm a bit skeptical, I'm also against the U.S. backing the actions of Ethiopian troops, whom had fought against the Islamic government there. In addition to this, I'm also unsure if the U.S. should be further destabilizing an already anarchic country, which is really more of a region at this point, by bombing it.

Any thoughts?



"No, Mama. You can bet your sweet ass and half a titty whoever put that hit on you already got the cops in their back pocket." ~Black Dynamite
Det. Bart Lasiter is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 01-10-2007, 06:35 AM   #2
Dagobahn Eagle
First Strike Tester
 
Dagobahn Eagle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Bergen, Norway
Posts: 3,513
Current Game: First Strike
Quote:
The purpose for U.S. forces being sent there is supposedly the elimination of Al-Qaida operatives there, however, given the state of affairs in Iraq, and our reasons for going in there, I'm a bit skeptical, I'm also against the U.S. backing the actions of Ethiopian troops, whom had fought against the Islamic government there.
Major Cold War flashback. But then again, I know nothing about this situation, so no further comments from me.

Dagobahn Eagle is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 01-10-2007, 01:31 PM   #3
Jae Onasi
Antiquis temporibus, nati tibi similes in rupibus ventosissimis exponebantur ad necem
 
Jae Onasi's Avatar
 
Status: Super Moderator
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 10,912
Current Game: Guild Wars 2, VtMB, TOR
Alderaan News Holopics contributor Helpful! LucasCast staff Veteran Fan Fic Author 
Dr. Rice tried to explain to Bush that Sudan is the country that's really in trouble, but she forgot to bring her map of Africa that day. Bush decided to order action, but when asked where, he told the defense sec'y, "I don't know, some country that starts with an S."

Sigh, yet another pot-stirring.


From MST3K's spoof of "Hercules Unchained"--heard as Roman medic soldiers carry off an unconscious Greek Hercules on a 1950's Army green canvas stretcher: "Hi, we're IX-I-I. Did somebody dial IX-I-I?"

Read The Adventures of Jolee Bindo and see the amazing Peep Surgery
Story WIP: The Dragonfighters
My blog: Confessions of a Geeky Mom--Latest post: Security Alerts!
Love Star Trek AND gaming? Check out Lotus Fleet.

Jae Onasi is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 01-10-2007, 10:23 PM   #4
Windu Chi
Banned
 
Windu Chi's Avatar
 
Status: Banned
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Getting revenge on that traitor, Anakin.
Posts: 882
Lightbulb

Quote:
Dr. Rice tried to explain to Bush that Sudan is the country that's really in trouble, but she forgot to bring her map of Africa that day. Bush decided to order action, but when asked where, he told the defense sec'y, "I don't know, some country that starts with an S."

Sigh, yet another pot-stirring.
Bush don't give a damn about Africa and Dr. Rice is a puppet of that failed administration.
You know it really pisses me off that Sudan is another genocide in progress.
Another example of the failure of the, "never again" statement. : extremely

Last edited by windu6; 01-11-2007 at 12:29 AM.
Windu Chi is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 01-10-2007, 04:08 PM   #5
Emperor Devon
36 Wings, 365 Eyes
 
Emperor Devon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 5,479
Current Game: Ass Effect
Contest winner - Fan Fiction 
*Sighs* As if there weren't enough troops overseas already.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Sabretooth
We will be great failures one day, you and I
Emperor Devon is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 01-10-2007, 04:14 PM   #6
The Doctor
Retired
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 4,413
Current Game: Skyrim
Forum Veteran 
Soon there'll be more troops overseas then in the States...
The Doctor is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 01-10-2007, 10:07 PM   #7
Windu Chi
Banned
 
Windu Chi's Avatar
 
Status: Banned
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Getting revenge on that traitor, Anakin.
Posts: 882
Lightbulb

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Doctor
Soon there'll be more troops overseas then in the States...
Soon there will be no more troops to send anywhere, the bucket of meat to send to the meat grinder is almost empty.
Windu Chi is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 01-10-2007, 10:13 PM   #8
Samnmax221
I never Kipled
 
Samnmax221's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: My hovercraft is full of eels
Posts: 5,784
Current Game: Sex with women
Forum Veteran LF Jester 
Quote:
Originally Posted by windu6
Soon there will be no more troops to send anywhere, the bucket of meat to send to the meat grinder is almost empty.
I figured it wasn't happy enough.
Samnmax221 is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 01-11-2007, 12:43 AM   #9
Windu Chi
Banned
 
Windu Chi's Avatar
 
Status: Banned
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Getting revenge on that traitor, Anakin.
Posts: 882
Cool Guy

Quote:
Originally Posted by Samnmax221
I figured it wasn't happy enough.
It's still not happy.
Windu Chi is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 01-11-2007, 01:03 AM   #10
Emperor Devon
36 Wings, 365 Eyes
 
Emperor Devon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 5,479
Current Game: Ass Effect
Contest winner - Fan Fiction 
Quote:
Originally Posted by windu6
Soon there will be no more troops to send anywhere, the bucket of meat to send to the meat grinder is almost empty.
The U.S. Army has over 330,000 soldiers on active duty, excluding the National Guard.

So far several thousand have been killed in Iraq.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Sabretooth
We will be great failures one day, you and I
Emperor Devon is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 01-10-2007, 10:17 PM   #11
Johnpp
Junior Member
 
Johnpp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Australia, The Place To Be.
Posts: 435
I care about Africa. I wanna live there later.


Opera user.
IE hater.
JKA player.
DooM player.
Quake 2 player.
Real life player.
Johnpp is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 01-10-2007, 10:18 PM   #12
Nancy Allen``
Banned
 
Nancy Allen``'s Avatar
 
Status: Banned
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 1,948
I'm two minds about America sending troops to Somalia, or indeed interfering with Africa full stop. On the one hand Mohammed Aidid used starvation as a weapon of war, and I'm not sure if he's still around but I'm sure the other clans commit similar atrocities. On the other hand America had failed before, even with the use of army rangers and Delta Force. The point about sending troops all around the world is a very valid one, as especially with Iraq I question how many are volunteering for service. I know they had to drop their standereds for new recruits and there were fears of a draft. There are a lot of other problems beside the warring factions in Somalia. That fat **** Mugabe and his tyrany over Zimbabwe. Pol Pot was African wasn't he? Rape and genocide was rampent, is it still? And there are places you are advised to avoid at all costs, such as the Ivory Coast. Finally if America is so determined to help the people of Africa, it has deep pockets, try helping them financially. To be fair they were pushing for this, did anything come of it?
Nancy Allen`` is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 01-10-2007, 11:41 PM   #13
Totenkopf
English spoken in What
 
Totenkopf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: What?
Posts: 4,787
Imperialist Meatbags Guild Member The Walking Carpets Guild Member Forum Veteran 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nancy Allen``
Pol Pot was African wasn't he?

Actually, he was Cambodian (or at least his atrocities were committed there).
Totenkopf is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 01-11-2007, 04:20 PM   #14
TK-8252
Get Cloned.
 
TK-8252's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 5,850
I'm sure I'll sound like a huge bastard here... but I'd like to point out that even with all the people being murdered in Africa, there's STILL not enough food and medicine to go around. Take the genocide out of the picture and the people would just die of starvation and disease instead.

It's a ****ed up situation either way.
TK-8252 is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 01-12-2007, 12:43 PM   #15
Jae Onasi
Antiquis temporibus, nati tibi similes in rupibus ventosissimis exponebantur ad necem
 
Jae Onasi's Avatar
 
Status: Super Moderator
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 10,912
Current Game: Guild Wars 2, VtMB, TOR
Alderaan News Holopics contributor Helpful! LucasCast staff Veteran Fan Fic Author 
Yeah, the effect of the AIDS/HIV epidemic is horrendous in Africa. 2 million died in '05, I would not be surprised to see the numbers go up for '06. AMREF estimated about 65% of the world's HIV/AIDS population lives in sub-Saharan Africa. Two million _children_ in Africa have HIV/AIDS, and some 12 million were orphaned in '05 by losing one or both parents to the disease. Only about 10% of Africans infected had access to HIV treatment, and the life expectancy in some African countries has plummeted to the '30's and 40's. Estimated life expectancy without AIDS would be in the 60's. Tuberculosis has skyrocketed because of co-morbidity with HIV.

Our church supports a missionary doctor who works in Cameroon--she's reported a significant increase in AIDS in her hospital in the last couple of years. It's taxing the hospital's resources, and she's seeing more mothers and children with HIV as well as more orphans.

Definitely not a positive picture on the medical front in Africa.


From MST3K's spoof of "Hercules Unchained"--heard as Roman medic soldiers carry off an unconscious Greek Hercules on a 1950's Army green canvas stretcher: "Hi, we're IX-I-I. Did somebody dial IX-I-I?"

Read The Adventures of Jolee Bindo and see the amazing Peep Surgery
Story WIP: The Dragonfighters
My blog: Confessions of a Geeky Mom--Latest post: Security Alerts!
Love Star Trek AND gaming? Check out Lotus Fleet.

Jae Onasi is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 01-12-2007, 05:34 PM   #16
Samuel Dravis
 
Samuel Dravis's Avatar
 
Status: Moderator
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 4,973
Quote:
Originally Posted by TK-8252
It's a ****ed up situation either way.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jae Onasi
Definitely not a positive picture on the medical front in Africa.
Yeah, it's pretty bad over there. I've never really understood how the entire middle and southern part of the continent can be so messed up for so long. I guess their leaders really just don't care about anything other than their own personal gain over there. Several movies like Hotel Rwanda (yes, I'm aware that they aren't to be used as factual references, but the idea is basically the same) and news reports over the years have made me question the sanity of pretty much anyone in power over there. Seems like the poor are screwed - they have extremely limited healthcare, they can't get educated, and there's nothing to do with an education even if they do get one, because there's zero infrastructure since it's all being blown up in tribal wars. Ugh.


"Words are deeds." - Wittgenstein
Samuel Dravis is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 01-12-2007, 06:17 PM   #17
Det. Bart Lasiter
obama.png
 
Det. Bart Lasiter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: `(.)~
Posts: 7,997
Current Game: all
Forum Veteran LF Jester 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jae Onasi
Yeah, the effect of the AIDS/HIV epidemic is horrendous in Africa. 2 million died in '05, I would not be surprised to see the numbers go up for '06.
I think the far more telling statistic about Africa is the fact that most people there die of preventable disease and lack of drinkable water.



"No, Mama. You can bet your sweet ass and half a titty whoever put that hit on you already got the cops in their back pocket." ~Black Dynamite
Det. Bart Lasiter is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 01-12-2007, 06:52 PM   #18
Jae Onasi
Antiquis temporibus, nati tibi similes in rupibus ventosissimis exponebantur ad necem
 
Jae Onasi's Avatar
 
Status: Super Moderator
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 10,912
Current Game: Guild Wars 2, VtMB, TOR
Alderaan News Holopics contributor Helpful! LucasCast staff Veteran Fan Fic Author 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jmac7142
I think the far more telling statistic about Africa is the fact that most people there die of preventable disease and lack of drinkable water.
That's certainly one of, if not the, leading cause of infant/child mortality.


From MST3K's spoof of "Hercules Unchained"--heard as Roman medic soldiers carry off an unconscious Greek Hercules on a 1950's Army green canvas stretcher: "Hi, we're IX-I-I. Did somebody dial IX-I-I?"

Read The Adventures of Jolee Bindo and see the amazing Peep Surgery
Story WIP: The Dragonfighters
My blog: Confessions of a Geeky Mom--Latest post: Security Alerts!
Love Star Trek AND gaming? Check out Lotus Fleet.

Jae Onasi is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 01-12-2007, 06:32 PM   #19
Totenkopf
English spoken in What
 
Totenkopf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: What?
Posts: 4,787
Imperialist Meatbags Guild Member The Walking Carpets Guild Member Forum Veteran 
Sooo...the problem then becomes how to go about imposing/creating some kind of order throughout Africa that would allow for the infrastuture necessary to combat these problems. Simply throwing money at a problem won't help, b/c the most serious obstacles to any real improvement are the people in charge of/in those countries.
Totenkopf is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Post a new thread. Add a reply to this thread. Indicate all threads in this forum as read. Subscribe to this forum. RSS feed: this forum RSS feed: all forums
Go Back   LucasForums > Network > JediKnight Series > Community > Senate Chambers > Yeah so I know no one cares about Africa...

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:13 PM.

LFNetwork, LLC ©2002-2011 - All rights reserved.
Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.