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Old 10-30-2007, 09:44 AM   #1
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Lucasarts and Bioware Corp. partnership OFFICIAL - At last

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Lucasarts and Bioware Corp. To Develop Ground-Breaking Interactive Entertainment Product
SAN FRANCISCO, CA and EDMONTON, CANADA — October 30, 2007 — LucasArts and BioWare Corp. today announced that they have entered into an agreement to create an interactive entertainment product. The product, details of which will be unveiled at a later date, will be developed and published by BioWare and LucasArts, and will push the boundaries of the gaming market by utilizing the strengths of both companies to deliver an innovative, high-quality experience.

“LucasArts has a deep commitment to developing compelling stories and characters for the unique medium of interactive entertainment, and we have been searching for a developer that shares this value. We found this in BioWare,” said Jim Ward, president of LucasArts. “Through our previous collaborations, we know that BioWare has an impressive ability to blend gripping stories with technological advancements, and we believe that our upcoming product will deliver an experience that will span the traditional boundaries of video game entertainment.”

“BioWare’s mission is to deliver the best story and character-driven games in the world, delivering powerful emotional experiences to our fans.” said Ray Muzyka, chief executive officer, BioWare Corp. Added Greg Zeschuk, president of BioWare Corp., “The collaboration with LucasArts allows us to combine our passion for creating high quality and innovative experiences with those of a company dedicated to bringing only the finest games to market.
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Old 10-30-2007, 10:02 AM   #2
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Old 10-30-2007, 10:03 AM   #3
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at last, Bioware has taken its rightful place at LA's side!!!


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Old 10-30-2007, 10:06 AM   #4
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If it is about a KotOR era MMORPG. I hope they call it something other than KotOR. I also hope that OE gets to do the sequel to TSL.


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Old 10-30-2007, 10:07 AM   #5
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Very interesting indeed!

Guess we will have to wait and see what that actually means, and what platforms things will appear on...

Although, unfortunately, if they really are just reaching an agreement now, that means a new game, whatever it might be, is likely still several years away.

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Old 10-30-2007, 10:25 AM   #6
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With all the rumors and other subtle remarks that have been reported throughout the past year I'm going to be very surprised if this doesn't turn out to be a KotOR-based MMORPG.


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Old 10-30-2007, 10:37 AM   #7
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Well, if it's a single-player RPG, then we know that the main character will be a "mysterious stranger" with a hidden and troubled past which holds the key to the future.

At least, that seems to be the case in virtually EVERY Bioware RPG. :P
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Old 10-30-2007, 10:03 PM   #8
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Well, if it's a single-player RPG, then we know that the main character will be a "mysterious stranger" with a hidden and troubled past which holds the key to the future.

At least, that seems to be the case in virtually EVERY Bioware RPG. :P
So? It adds for twists and character development.
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Old 10-30-2007, 10:39 AM   #9
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it is a star wars based mmo. there is no need to speculate it from now on. i am pretty exicted what we will see new about this and if it can beat WoW kingdom..
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Old 10-30-2007, 11:41 AM   #10
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This has made my day!! *cheers*

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Old 10-30-2007, 12:25 PM   #11
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This has made my day!! *cheers*
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I hope its not the MMO...
Sure you can hope but I wouldn't bet on it, if I were you.

Interesting that GameSpot is reporting that this new game will be co-developed and co-published by BioWare and LucasArts. I'm not sure that is the case but it would raise my eyebrow another notch if this is indeed true, the co-development because LucasArts hasn't developed any RPG's before and the co-publishing because I don't know how that would work between LucasArts and BioWare's soon-to-be parent company EA.


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Old 10-30-2007, 12:08 PM   #12
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I hope its not the MMO...

Now, how about a new Monkey Island with a realistic dueling system where you can yell out your own insults?
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Old 10-30-2007, 12:30 PM   #13
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Ditto.

From the quote: "interactive entertainment product", I'm hoping it ain't MMO, but that title is so vague that it could mean anything from KotOR3 to 3D Chess!


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Old 11-04-2007, 06:40 AM   #14
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Ditto.

From the quote: "interactive entertainment product", I'm hoping it ain't MMO, but that title is so vague that it could mean anything from KotOR3 to 3D Chess!


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Old 10-30-2007, 12:40 PM   #15
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Char Ell, the press release itself says that the game will be developed and published by them both.

Very interesting report! I for one would be happy if the KotOR MMO rumors were true, but of course I'd be satisfied with a traditional RPG too. Whatever the game is, I'm looking forward to it. Too bad the earliest we'd see something is probably 2009.


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Old 10-30-2007, 12:47 PM   #16
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Char Ell, the press release itself says that the game will be developed and published by them both.

Very interesting report! I for one would be happy if the KotOR MMO rumors were true, but of course I'd be satisfied with a traditional RPG too. Whatever the game is, I'm looking forward to it. Too bad the earliest we'd see something is probably 2009.
I'd also love to see a Kotor MMO but would wonder if it would work and not end up like Galaxies..............

As far as Fantasy RPGs go i think WOW is enough but i would one day like to see
an MMORPG of the Elder Scrolls that would incorporate all of Tamriel, Morrowind, Hammerfall etc. That really would be my dream project!
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Old 10-30-2007, 12:50 PM   #17
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Char Ell, the press release itself says that the game will be developed and published by them both.
True that is one way of interpreting it. And while that may very well be the case it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me for BioWare to be involved in publishing the game when EA will be BioWare's publisher as soon as their acquisition of VG Holdings closes in January. In any case, time will tell and as you said we won't see this game before 2009 so there is plenty of time to figure out these details.

EDIT: You're right, DM. It seems all the gaming websites are reporting that this is a co-development effort. Now I'm really curious to see how this arrangement actually works out.


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Old 10-30-2007, 12:47 PM   #18
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Hmmm...this made my day

Co-incidence: I saw a gameshow yesterday. The reviewers had to review the Battlefront game for the PSP. One of them said the latest Lucasarts game were a bit emotionless, and missed the 'SW' and 'story' feeling. He mentioned Battlefront had everything Star Wars, except that's it just a reskinned Battlefield. Same goes for Republic Commando. Had all the ingredients, except that it tried to be 'Rainbow Six' in space.

Lucasarts must have heard it, since Bioware is one of (if not THE) best storytelling companies. Come on, anyone who has played Jade Empire or Kotor knows this. Despite the obvious cliché's, (Jade Empire=Asian, Kotor=Star Wars) the gave it a twist, and made it absolute magnificent games.

So...what franchise that's in the posession of LucasArts needs some new...story, emotion and all? Difficult...difficult...

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Old 10-30-2007, 01:00 PM   #19
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maybe this means that they'll actually have to put effort into making the playable characters look different. With only 3 classes, 2 genders and like, 7 heads, we'd see a whole lot of clones in an MMO unless they introduce new races or use a face-sculpting thing like Oblivion.

edit: if Bioware and Luncsarts are teaming up, and Bioware is being bought out by EA, does this mean that it's really LucasArts and EA?


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Old 10-30-2007, 01:16 PM   #20
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Oh boy is there going to be trouble now... I would guess that LA entered into this with Bioware before they were bought by EA, since I can see no way they would otherwise have done it, EA being a major competitor to LA. To me this means...

1. EA and LA are on a direct collision course.

2. Bioware MAY get to do the game(s) that is/are already agreed and that's it!

3. I see a bad moon rising...

IMHO this sounds like incredibly bad and depressing news, however, because it clearly suggests to me that Obsidian will not get to do KotOR3 and that Avellone therefore will nto be allowed to finish what he started in TSL, since a LA/Bioware collaboration is likely to mean an MMORPG and so an end to the focused single player experiences of the KotOR games... in which case it's also likely means that KotOR is dead to me

Hail the KotOR comic books, which now seems to me to likely be the only true source of KotOR plots

Don't know why I'd be so surprised though - MMORGPs sell, and LA's track record suggests they kill good plot for good sales any day of the week...


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Old 10-30-2007, 07:49 PM   #21
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Well, damn. Damn, damn, damn, DAMN.

This is without any doubt the most horrible, heart-wrenching, god-awful, <insert a thousand adjectives to imply awfulness> Star Wars news I have heard in years.

I sincerely hope that this is not KotOR they are working on, or it will mean the end of the brilliant character and plot development Avellone and co delivered to us. I don't doubt BioWare's capability to deliver a satisfying single-player roleplaying experience, but to be frank they just aren't on the same level as Obsidian as good as they may be. Of all the games Obsidian couldn't make, it had to be this one...

Of course, here I'm still assuming this is going to be a single player game. If this is a KotOR MMO the one untarnished game series I have yet to have played will have been utterly, completely ruined and turned into the worst possible parody of itself I could think of. Why don't we have Torment re-released as a shooter with half the dialogue while we're at it?

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That could be something to hope for. But this is LucasArts, so any possibility that could satisfy me I am instantly skeptical of. At the very least it would delay K3 by a few years to prevent the series from being over-milked in one sitting.


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Old 10-30-2007, 01:29 PM   #22
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Here's some more "official" news..



I think there's a fairly good chance that we'll see this long rumored MMO with former swg devs at Bioware Austin.

Edit - then again who knows! lol


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Here's some more "official" news..

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x...G/nokotor3.jpg

I think there's a fairly good chance that we'll see this long rumored MMO with former swg devs at Bioware Austin.
While I don't think this game is KOTOR 3 that screenshot post wouldn't necessarily disprove it. It was posted in March this year, so it might be that at the time they had no plans to do KOTOR 3, but have since been approached by Lucasarts and had a change of plans.

In either case it will be interesting to see what this turns out to be. I just hope they do a PC version and not go the console only route with this game as well.

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In either case it will be interesting to see what this turns out to be. I just hope they do a PC version and not go the console only route with this game as well.
If it's a MMO, it will most likely be released for the PC (WOW is more popular than any console game ever was, after all). If not, there is a big chance that it will be console exclusive (seeing as how both LA and Bioware care little for the PC as of late... a few Bioware developers even said that they play only console games. Kind of an odd statement since console games are made on the PC )
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I think there's a fairly good chance that we'll see this long rumored MMO with former swg devs at Bioware Austin.

Edit - then again who knows! lol
All my hopes for KotOR 3 are dead... This isn't fair... Eh, I'll be satisfied with KotOR 1 and 2. If it is MMO, then I'm not buying it. Hear my words. It will not work.
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All my hopes for KotOR 3 are dead... This isn't fair... Eh, I'll be satisfied with KotOR 1 and 2. If it is MMO, then I'm not buying it. Hear my words. It will not work.
Someone said it before: look when it was written. More than 6 months have passed since that.

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One point of interest is how in an MMO, your character isn't very powerful in terms of influence and everyone knowing your name, that stuff. Well first lets focus on who the character would be in a SPRPG. It's not going to be someone who's lost their connection to the force and is trying to get it back. Its not going to be Revan or the Exile. My guess is you would play as an ordinary Jedi. Now put this in the context of an MMO. Fits perfectly the way I see it.
Have to agree with you. Would btw be the only way you have force powers WITHOUT losing your connection to force or your mind before.:P


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Don't Give up all hope yet Jediphile, It could turn out to be another wild Bantha chase

As you say the Kotor comics have sustained us thus far, and you've always got TSLRP...

I personally have championed Bioware, and I would trust them with Kotor 3... In fact I'd insist on them doing it, but an MMO could be bad news for the Old Republic...


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...Bioware, and I would trust them with Kotor 3... In fact I'd insist on them doing it, but an MMO could be bad news for the Old Republic...
i agree, mmo would suck bizzallz. if they do one, at least keep the kotor story seperate but use the same universe and events.


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Old 11-06-2007, 10:03 PM   #29
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Yes it does, because it’s not the same situation as that.

You see, TSL was meant to have a sequel. Avellone said so himself. He wrote the plot for it to intentionally have a follow up. Maybe that was the mistake...

We’ve waited for nearly three years and there still hasn’t even been an announcement that the game will be made. Now there’s a possibility that the line of SPRPG KotOR games are going to be killed off by MMORPG/s.

It’s not fair to those of us who at least want one more SPRPG KotOR game that in all honesty, is needed, to wrap things up. Okay fine, make a KotOR based MMORPG to please those who’d want or even prefer that, but do it without walking all over us who are in support of a SPRPG of KotOR III.

Look at the success of the sales of KotOR and TSL. There is clearly good enough support for a SP K3 to be a financial success. To me if no K3 SPRPG is ever made, then it’s like never releasing RotJ after TESB.

You simply cannot wrap up TSL via a MMORPG of KotOR3. So in other words, all I’m asking is, if a new SW MMORPG is indeed going to be made, then make sure it has nothing to do with following up TSL.

It would be far more rational, feasible and effectual to wrap up TSL from a developers point of view via making a SPRPG, not a MMORPG. That’s another argument I have against this. Think about them too.

After all, not all of us don't appreciate plot...


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Old 11-07-2007, 04:16 PM   #30
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I was about to post a reply to Jediphile, but I see people would prefer it to stop. I somewhat agree that it has dragged on for long enough and that it has come to circular arguments, to which there is no end.

Then again, I'm hotblooded and Vietnamese. Among us, there is no such thing as turn the other cheek, there's only eye for a 7.62mm bullet in your head from an AK-47 fired at a distance of 3 feet while hiding in some bushes.

Add to that the fact that I study political science. Go figure...

In no way do I not respect Jediphile. I prefer someone who can stand up for himself to someone who bows down whenever in the face of a confrontation. I harbor no ill feelings.
Hey, I remember trying to rip off Totenkopf's head in Kavar's corner, yet I think he's one of the smartest most intelligent persons here and I greatly respect him.

I could go on with the debate, I would love to, but it's over.

Carry on...


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I'm not sure if this possible, but if they allowed people playing on consoles to play with people on PC, it could be interesting. I'm not sure if it's feasible anyway.

And yes, FFXI does suck.


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Old 11-07-2007, 06:41 PM   #31
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MMO on consoles:

I'm not sure if this possible, but if they allowed people playing on consoles to play with people on PC, it could be interesting. I'm not sure if it's feasible anyway.

And yes, FFXI does suck.

Might be possible, I can't see why it wouldn't. The 360 players can play some games with PC players, and I think that these MMO wouldn't be an exception. But that would only happen on the 360.

Well, there are some other MMOs for consoles, like Everquest...


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Huh, apparently, it's possible. FFXI did it, or so says wikipedia:
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I just now noticed, at the bioware website, on the drop down menu for bioware games, it lists the lucasarts/bioware game separate from the mmo and the next gen game. So, would that mean they are different games, and bioware is not doing a mmo with lucasarts?

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Old 11-11-2007, 06:16 PM   #34
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I just now noticed, at the bioware website, on the drop down menu for bioware games, it lists the lucasarts/bioware game separate from the mmo and the next gen game. So, would that mean they are different games, and bioware is not doing a mmo with lucasarts?
Not necessarily, if they are doing an mmo, Bioware probably doesn't want to announce anything until Lucasarts' contract with SOE winds down inorder to avoid any legal entanglements that they might run into.

Bottom line: If it's got KOTOR on the box, I'm buying it, mmo or not.
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Not necessarily, if they are doing an mmo, Bioware probably doesn't want to announce anything until Lucasarts' contract with SOE winds down inorder to avoid any legal entanglements that they might run into.

Wouldn't they run into problems anyway, since the deal was made before the end of SOE's contract?


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I just now noticed, at the bioware website, on the drop down menu for bioware games, it lists the lucasarts/bioware game separate from the mmo and the next gen game. So, would that mean they are different games, and bioware is not doing a mmo with lucasarts?
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I don't want to get my hopes up, but this could be a good sign. KotOR 3 was the first thing that came to mind when I heard of this deal.


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Heh, the debating wasn't pointless as the feasibility of a KotOR MMO is still true. Still, great news that this is probably going to be a new SP RPG


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Heh, the debating wasn't pointless as the feasibility of a KotOR MMO is still true. Still, great news that this is probably going to be a new SP RPG
Indeed. I'm not sure what to make of this but if the LucasArts/BioWare project is indeed not the BioWare MMORPG then I don't see how BioWare would tackle two MMORPG's at the same time. So I guess it would stand to reason that the LucasArts/BioWare project is a SPRPG.

I guess we're stuck waiting for more info.


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I would rather have Obisidan pull off KOTOR 3. After getting used to TSL, a return back to Bioware's plots...er...seem not that good. Besides, Obisidan has an idea of where they want to take that story, and I like them having creative control.

I'm firmly convinced that KOTOR MMO is in fact coming out and that K3 won't come. It's alright though. KOTOR is already dead to me, so there is no need to mourn.


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