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Old 10-08-2010, 01:13 AM   #1
Lanstar
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Exclamation "SW: KotOR has stopped working"

Hello, I'm having a particularly frustrating problem with kotor. Whenever I attempt to run the game, without even loading a black screen, a window just pops up saying "Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic has stopped working".

The details read:
Problem signature:
Problem Event Name: BEX
Application Name: swkotor.exe
Application Version: 1.0.0.0
Application Timestamp: 00000000
Fault Module Name: swkotor.exe
Fault Module Version: 1.0.0.0
Fault Module Timestamp: 00000000
Exception Offset: 00000110
Exception Code: c0000005
Exception Data: 00000008
OS Version: 6.1.7600.2.0.0.768.3
Locale ID: 1033
Additional Information 1: be9b
Additional Information 2: be9bf493184e8a1cc6dbc11c84c53984
Additional Information 3: 9e35
Additional Information 4: 9e353e53e9ec76750b5c1f800beee128


Here are things I've done to try to remedy the issue:
-Installed running setup in Win XP(SP 2) compatibility mode along with running as administrator
-Installing it to c:/Users/Public
-Updated KotOR to the lastest version
-Set swkotor.exe to Win XP(SP 2) compatibility mode and ran as admin
-Replaced mss32.dll with the "fixed" one
-Updated drivers
-Downgraded to the lowest driver version I could find offered for my card
-Upgraded drivers to the newer beta release
-Added the line Disable Vertex Buffer Objects=1 to the swkotor.ini file
-Installing colinux to install wine and attempt to run it that way(turns out colinux doesn't work on 64 bit as of yet)
-Pleading with divine entities
-using imagecfg to set swkotor.exe to default to a single processing core
-A few other things I can't think of off the top of my head

With everything I've tried I haven't even gotten it to load a black screen. It always brings up that error window almost as if that's what swkotor.exe is trying to launch lol.

I believe it's worth noting that kotor2 runs near perfectly and I never had any issues with it(besides with setting resolutions and changing AA/AF but I solved those issues easily).

I truly am at whit's end right now. I'd really like to be able to play kotor(probably my favorite game of all time) and this is
the only computer available to me. If anyone could shed some positive light on my situation it would be much appreciated.

Edit: Let me know if there is any further information you require and I will be happy to provide it.

Here are my systems specifications:
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System Information
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Time of this report: 10/7/2010, 21:22:07
Machine name: LANSTAR
Operating System: Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit (6.1, Build 7600) (7600.win7_gdr.100618-1621)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: ASUSTeK Computer INC.
System Model: CM5571
BIOS: BIOS Date: 11/03/09 18:05:40 Ver: 08.00.14
Processor: Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU E5400 @ 2.70GHz (2 CPUs), ~2.7GHz
Memory: 6144MB RAM
Available OS Memory: 6144MB RAM
Page File: 1311MB used, 10972MB available
Windows Dir: C:\Windows
DirectX Version: DirectX 11
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
User DPI Setting: Using System DPI
System DPI Setting: 96 DPI (100 percent)
DWM DPI Scaling: Disabled
DxDiag Version: 6.01.7600.16385 64bit Unicode
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Display Devices
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Card name: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260(Core 216)
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Chip type: GeForce GTX 260(Core 216)
DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_05E2&SUBSYS_12553842&REV_A1
Display Memory: 3688 MB
Dedicated Memory: 873 MB
Shared Memory: 2815 MB
Current Mode: 1280 x 1024 (32 bit) (85Hz)
Monitor Name: SONY GDM-500PS
Monitor Model: GDM-500PS
Monitor Id: SNY00B0
Native Mode: unknown
Output Type: HD15
Driver Name: nvd3dumx.dll,nvwgf2umx.dll,nvwgf2umx.dll,nvd3dum,n vwgf2um,nvwgf2um
Driver File Version: 8.17.0012.6063 (English)
Driver Version: 8.17.12.6063
DDI Version: 10
Driver Model: WDDM 1.1
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 9/10/2010 23:46:00, 12787304 bytes
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
WHQL Date Stamp:
Device Identifier: {D7B71E3E-46A2-11CF-5D4C-59321FC2C535}
Vendor ID: 0x10DE
Device ID: 0x05E2
SubSys ID: 0x12553842
Revision ID: 0x00A1
Driver Strong Name: oem16.inf:NVIDIA_SetA_Devices.NTamd64.6.1:Section0 04:8.17.12.6063ci\ven_10de&dev_05e2
Rank Of Driver: 80E62001
Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_A ModeMPEG2_C ModeVC1_C ModeWMV9_C
D3D9 Overlay: Supported
DXVA-HD: Supported
DDraw Status: Enabled
D3D Status: Enabled
AGP Status: Enabled
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Sound Devices
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Description: Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio)
Default Sound Playback: Yes
Default Voice Playback: Yes
Hardware ID: HDAUDIO\FUNC_01&VEN_10EC&DEV_0887&SUBSYS_1043837B& REV_1002
Manufacturer ID: 1
Product ID: 100
Type: WDM
Driver Name: RTKVHD64.sys
Driver Version: 6.00.0001.5859 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
Date and Size: 5/24/2009 03:04:22, 1762080 bytes
Other Files:
Driver Provider: Realtek Semiconductor Corp.
HW Accel Level: Basic
Cap Flags: 0xF1F
Min/Max Sample Rate: 100, 200000
Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 1, 0
Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 0, 0
HW Memory: 0
Voice Management: No
EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: No, No
I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: No, No
Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No

Description: Realtek Digital Output(Optical) (Realtek High Definition Audio)
Default Sound Playback: No
Default Voice Playback: No
Hardware ID: HDAUDIO\FUNC_01&VEN_10EC&DEV_0887&SUBSYS_1043837B& REV_1002
Manufacturer ID: 1
Product ID: 100
Type: WDM
Driver Name: RTKVHD64.sys
Driver Version: 6.00.0001.5859 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
Date and Size: 5/24/2009 03:04:22, 1762080 bytes
Other Files:
Driver Provider: Realtek Semiconductor Corp.
HW Accel Level: Basic
Cap Flags: 0xF1F
Min/Max Sample Rate: 100, 200000
Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 1, 0
Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 0, 0
HW Memory: 0
Voice Management: No
EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: No, No
I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: No, No
Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No

Description: Realtek Digital Output (Realtek High Definition Audio)
Default Sound Playback: No
Default Voice Playback: No
Hardware ID: HDAUDIO\FUNC_01&VEN_10EC&DEV_0887&SUBSYS_1043837B& REV_1002
Manufacturer ID: 1
Product ID: 100
Type: WDM
Driver Name: RTKVHD64.sys
Driver Version: 6.00.0001.5859 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
Date and Size: 5/24/2009 03:04:22, 1762080 bytes
Other Files:
Driver Provider: Realtek Semiconductor Corp.
HW Accel Level: Basic
Cap Flags: 0xF1F
Min/Max Sample Rate: 100, 200000
Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 1, 0
Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 0, 0
HW Memory: 0
Voice Management: No
EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: No, No
I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: No, No
Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No
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Disk & DVD/CD-ROM Drives
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Drive: C:
Free Space: 858.0 GB
Total Space: 945.7 GB
File System: NTFS
Model: ST31000528AS ATA Device

Drive: D:
Model: HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GH40N ATA Device
Driver: c:\windows\system32\drivers\cdrom.sys, 6.01.7600.16385 (English), 7/13/2009 16:19:54, 147456 bytes

Drive: E:
Model: ZARWV P2NG1IBWPIR SCSI CdRom Device
Driver: c:\windows\system32\drivers\cdrom.sys, 6.01.7600.16385 (English), 7/13/2009 16:19:54, 147456 bytes
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System Devices
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Name: Intel(R) ICH10 Family USB Universal Host Controller - 3A37
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_3A37&SUBSYS_82D41043&REV_00\3&115 83659&2&D0
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\drivers\usbuhci.sys, 6.01.7600.16385 (English), 7/13/2009 17:06:27, 30720 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\drivers\usbport.sys, 6.01.7600.16385 (English), 7/13/2009 17:06:31, 324608 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\drivers\usbhub.sys, 6.01.7600.16385 (English), 7/13/2009 17:07:09, 343040 bytes

Name: Intel(R) ICH10 Family PCI Express Root Port 6 - 3A4A
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_3A4A&SUBSYS_82D41043&REV_00\3&115 83659&2&E5
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\DRIVERS\pci.sys, 6.01.7600.16385 (English), 7/13/2009 18:45:45, 183872 bytes

Name: Intel(R) ICH10 Family USB Universal Host Controller - 3A36
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_3A36&SUBSYS_82D41043&REV_00\3&115 83659&2&EA
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\drivers\usbuhci.sys, 6.01.7600.16385 (English), 7/13/2009 17:06:27, 30720 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\drivers\usbport.sys, 6.01.7600.16385 (English), 7/13/2009 17:06:31, 324608 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\drivers\usbhub.sys, 6.01.7600.16385 (English), 7/13/2009 17:07:09, 343040 bytes

Name: Intel(R) ICH10 Family PCI Express Root Port 1 - 3A40
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_3A40&SUBSYS_82D41043&REV_00\3&115 83659&2&E0
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\DRIVERS\pci.sys, 6.01.7600.16385 (English), 7/13/2009 18:45:45, 183872 bytes

Name: Intel(R) ICH10 Family USB Universal Host Controller - 3A35
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_3A35&SUBSYS_82D41043&REV_00\3&115 83659&2&E9
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\drivers\usbuhci.sys, 6.01.7600.16385 (English), 7/13/2009 17:06:27, 30720 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\drivers\usbport.sys, 6.01.7600.16385 (English), 7/13/2009 17:06:31, 324608 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\drivers\usbhub.sys, 6.01.7600.16385 (English), 7/13/2009 17:07:09, 343040 bytes

Name: Intel(R) 4 Series Chipset PCI Express Root Port - 2E21
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2E21&SUBSYS_83361043&REV_03\3&115 83659&2&08
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\DRIVERS\pci.sys, 6.01.7600.16385 (English), 7/13/2009 18:45:45, 183872 bytes

Name: High Definition Audio Controller
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_3A3E&SUBSYS_837B1043&REV_00\3&115 83659&2&D8
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\DRIVERS\hdaudbus.sys, 6.01.7600.16385 (English), 7/13/2009 17:06:13, 122368 bytes

Name: Intel(R) ICH10 Family USB Universal Host Controller - 3A34
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_3A34&SUBSYS_82D41043&REV_00\3&115 83659&2&E8
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\drivers\usbuhci.sys, 6.01.7600.16385 (English), 7/13/2009 17:06:27, 30720 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\drivers\usbport.sys, 6.01.7600.16385 (English), 7/13/2009 17:06:31, 324608 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\drivers\usbhub.sys, 6.01.7600.16385 (English), 7/13/2009 17:07:09, 343040 bytes

Name: Intel(R) 4 Series Chipset Processor to I/O Controller - 2E20
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2E20&SUBSYS_83361043&REV_03\3&115 83659&2&00
Driver: n/a

Name: Intel(R) ICH10 Family USB Enhanced Host Controller - 3A3C
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_3A3C&SUBSYS_82D41043&REV_00\3&115 83659&2&D7
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\drivers\usbehci.sys, 6.01.7600.16385 (English), 7/13/2009 17:06:30, 51200 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\drivers\usbport.sys, 6.01.7600.16385 (English), 7/13/2009 17:06:31, 324608 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\drivers\usbhub.sys, 6.01.7600.16385 (English), 7/13/2009 17:07:09, 343040 bytes

Name: Intel(R) ICH10 Family SMBus Controller - 3A30
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_3A30&SUBSYS_82D41043&REV_00\3&115 83659&2&FB
Driver: n/a

Name: Intel(R) 82801 PCI Bridge - 244E
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_244E&SUBSYS_82D41043&REV_90\3&115 83659&2&F0
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\DRIVERS\pci.sys, 6.01.7600.16385 (English), 7/13/2009 18:45:45, 183872 bytes

Name: Intel(R) ICH10 Family USB Enhanced Host Controller - 3A3A
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_3A3A&SUBSYS_82D41043&REV_00\3&115 83659&2&EF
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\drivers\usbehci.sys, 6.01.7600.16385 (English), 7/13/2009 17:06:30, 51200 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\drivers\usbport.sys, 6.01.7600.16385 (English), 7/13/2009 17:06:31, 324608 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\drivers\usbhub.sys, 6.01.7600.16385 (English), 7/13/2009 17:07:09, 343040 bytes

Name: Intel(R) ICH10 Family 2 port Serial ATA Storage Controller 2 - 3A26
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_3A26&SUBSYS_82D41043&REV_00\3&115 83659&2&FD
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\DRIVERS\pciide.sys, 6.01.7600.16385 (English), 7/13/2009 18:45:45, 12352 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\DRIVERS\pciidex.sys, 6.01.7600.16385 (English), 7/13/2009 18:45:46, 48720 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\DRIVERS\atapi.sys, 6.01.7600.16385 (English), 7/13/2009 18:52:21, 24128 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\DRIVERS\ataport.sys, 6.01.7600.16385 (English), 7/13/2009 18:52:21, 155728 bytes

Name: Atheros AR8121/AR8113/AR8114 PCI-E Ethernet Controller
Device ID: PCI\VEN_1969&DEV_1026&SUBSYS_831C1043&REV_B0\4&267 F85C9&0&00E5
Driver: n/a

Name: Intel(R) ICH10 Family USB Universal Host Controller - 3A39
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_3A39&SUBSYS_82D41043&REV_00\3&115 83659&2&D2
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\drivers\usbuhci.sys, 6.01.7600.16385 (English), 7/13/2009 17:06:27, 30720 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\drivers\usbport.sys, 6.01.7600.16385 (English), 7/13/2009 17:06:31, 324608 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\drivers\usbhub.sys, 6.01.7600.16385 (English), 7/13/2009 17:07:09, 343040 bytes

Name: Intel(R) ICH10 Family 4 port Serial ATA Storage Controller 1 - 3A20
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_3A20&SUBSYS_82D41043&REV_00\3&115 83659&2&FA
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\DRIVERS\pciide.sys, 6.01.7600.16385 (English), 7/13/2009 18:45:45, 12352 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\DRIVERS\pciidex.sys, 6.01.7600.16385 (English), 7/13/2009 18:45:46, 48720 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\DRIVERS\atapi.sys, 6.01.7600.16385 (English), 7/13/2009 18:52:21, 24128 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\DRIVERS\ataport.sys, 6.01.7600.16385 (English), 7/13/2009 18:52:21, 155728 bytes

Name: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260
Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_05E2&SUBSYS_12553842&REV_A1\4&9BB 76AC&0&0008
Driver: C:\Program Files\NVIDIA Corporation\Drs\dbInstaller.exe, 8.17.0012.6063 (English), 9/10/2010 23:46:00, 192616 bytes
Driver: C:\Program Files\NVIDIA Corporation\Drs\nvdrsdb.bin, 9/10/2010 23:46:00, 267376 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\nv_ disp.inf_amd64_neutral_69767f58d526fb63\NvCplSetup Eng.exe, 14.00.0000.0162 (English), 9/10/2010 23:46:00, 24125632 bytes
Driver: C:\Program Files\NVIDIA Corporation\license.txt, 9/10/2010 23:46:00, 15511 bytes
Driver: C:\Program Files\NVIDIA Corporation\NVSMI\nvidia-smi.exe, 9/10/2010 23:46:00, 196200 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\DRIVERS\nvBridge.kmd, 8.17.0012.6063 (English), 9/10/2010 23:46:00, 11240 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\DRIVERS\nvlddmkm.sys, 8.17.0012.6063 (English), 9/10/2010 23:46:00, 12396904 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\OpenCL.dll, 1.00.0000.0000 (English), 9/10/2010 23:46:00, 67176 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\nvapi64.dll, 8.17.0012.6063 (English), 9/10/2010 23:46:00, 2159720 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\nvcompiler.dll, 6.14.0012.6063 (English), 9/10/2010 23:46:00, 18597480 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\nvcuda.dll, 8.17.0012.6063 (English), 9/10/2010 23:46:00, 6470760 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\nvcuvenc.dll, 6.14.0012.6063 (English), 9/10/2010 23:46:00, 2934888 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\nvcuvid.dll, 8.17.0012.6063 (English), 9/10/2010 23:46:00, 3112552 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\nvd3dumx.dll, 8.17.0012.6063 (English), 9/10/2010 23:46:00, 12787304 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\nvdecodemft.dll, 8.17.0012.6063 (English), 9/10/2010 23:46:00, 386152 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\nvinfo.pb, 9/10/2010 23:46:00, 7877 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\nvoglv64.dll, 8.17.0012.6063 (English), 9/10/2010 23:46:00, 20280936 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\nvwgf2umx.dll, 8.17.0012.6063 (English), 9/10/2010 23:46:00, 7428712 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\SysWow64\OpenCL.dll, 1.00.0000.0000 (English), 9/10/2010 23:46:00, 57960 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\SysWow64\nvapi.dll, 8.17.0012.6063 (English), 9/10/2010 23:46:00, 1718376 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\SysWow64\nvcompiler.dll, 6.14.0012.6063 (English), 9/10/2010 23:46:00, 13019752 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\SysWow64\nvcuda.dll, 8.17.0012.6063 (English), 9/10/2010 23:46:00, 4836456 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\SysWow64\nvcuvenc.dll, 6.14.0012.6063 (English), 9/10/2010 23:46:00, 2666600 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\SysWow64\nvcuvid.dll, 8.17.0012.6063 (English), 9/10/2010 23:46:00, 2912360 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\SysWow64\nvd3dum.dll, 8.17.0012.6063 (English), 9/10/2010 23:46:00, 10022504 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\SysWow64\nvdecodemft.dll, 8.17.0012.6063 (English), 9/10/2010 23:46:00, 319080 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\SysWow64\nvoglv32.dll, 8.17.0012.6063 (English), 9/10/2010 23:46:00, 14899816 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\SysWow64\nvwgf2um.dll, 8.17.0012.6063 (English), 9/10/2010 23:46:00, 5399656 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\nvdispco642050.dll, 2.00.0005.0000 (English), 9/10/2010 23:46:00, 1499240 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\nvgenco642030.dll, 2.00.0003.0000 (English), 9/10/2010 23:46:00, 1308776 bytes

Name: Intel(R) ICH10 Family USB Universal Host Controller - 3A38
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_3A38&SUBSYS_82D41043&REV_00\3&115 83659&2&D1
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\drivers\usbuhci.sys, 6.01.7600.16385 (English), 7/13/2009 17:06:27, 30720 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\drivers\usbport.sys, 6.01.7600.16385 (English), 7/13/2009 17:06:31, 324608 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\drivers\usbhub.sys, 6.01.7600.16385 (English), 7/13/2009 17:07:09, 343040 bytes

Name: Intel(R) ICH10 LPC Interface Controller - 3A18
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_3A18&SUBSYS_82D41043&REV_00\3&115 83659&2&F8
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\DRIVERS\msisadrv.sys, 6.01.7600.16385 (English), 7/13/2009 18:48:27, 15424 bytes

Last edited by Lanstar; 10-08-2010 at 01:19 AM.
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Old 10-08-2010, 01:22 AM   #2
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Did you install the game according to the large-print instructions at the top of the second post in this thread?

I see that you have an Nvidia graphics card. That's good. You have a very good chance of getting this game to run.


"They should rename the team to the Washington Government Sucks. Put Obama on the helmet. Line the entire walls of the stadium with the actual text of the ACA.
Fix their home team score on the board to the debt clock, they can win every game 17,000,000,000,000 to 24. Losing team gets taxed by the IRS 100%, then droned."
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Old 10-08-2010, 03:25 AM   #3
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I had tried doing most those things before, but I just did a fresh install. I tried it all again and I guess the 2nd time was the charm =D
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Old 10-08-2010, 10:52 PM   #4
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Good to hear. Enjoy the game.


"They should rename the team to the Washington Government Sucks. Put Obama on the helmet. Line the entire walls of the stadium with the actual text of the ACA.
Fix their home team score on the board to the debt clock, they can win every game 17,000,000,000,000 to 24. Losing team gets taxed by the IRS 100%, then droned."
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