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Old 03-28-2012, 10:21 AM   #1
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Whats your opinoin on SWTOR in relation to the kotor series?

Whats your opinion on swtor in relation to the kotor games? personally i was disapointed considering it was the least bit similar to kotor in any way or form. Just leave your opinion below


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Old 03-28-2012, 12:28 PM   #2
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Old 03-29-2012, 11:47 AM   #4
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It has the potential to be great, and in time may be the time-sink SWG was for me, but it is quite the chore pre and post level 50. Patch 1.2 could bring some more fun now there is a new Warzone n' stuff.


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Old 03-28-2012, 05:44 PM   #7
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I'm only interested in the books. So far I think they've been pretty good.


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Old 03-28-2012, 05:55 PM   #8
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TOR is excellently awesome and fun.

In relation to the KotOR series? No relation...TOR is better,..by leaps and bounds.
KotOR is a 7 year old game that you can play through in 3 days. So why try to equate it?
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KotOR is a 7 year old game that you can play through in 3 days. So why try to equate it?
What?

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Old 03-29-2012, 01:26 AM   #10
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Whynot? Go 'head.

I have no clue about comic books and novels and whatnot..so I'm not commenting on all that. I was just talking about the games..

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3 days!? I can do it in 9hrs.
Oh,..ok...well then there ya go! 10 or 12 hrs..
I don't know playthrough time...but you get my point. TOR's an MMO so it's huge.

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was in the "we must have KotOR III!" camp... now I don't give a rats about KotOR III cause TOR is awesome
I agree.
Well, I wasn't ever in that camp, so I never gave a rat's. But I did enjoy the games as they were..having only discovered them two years ago.

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Other than the ancient tyrant's connection to the KOTOR games, and apparently a few references (or so I am told) and some familiar character names there is no other connections.
They HAD to put refrences to the old games in because it was demanded by... oh, uh, nevermind. They did do a really good job of ignoring TSL though...and patting themselves on the back for the original KotOR.
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Old 03-29-2012, 09:56 AM   #11
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Old 03-28-2012, 10:05 PM   #12
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TOR is excellently awesome and fun.

In relation to the KotOR series? No relation...TOR is better,..by leaps and bounds.
KotOR is a 7 year old game that you can play through in 3 days. So why try to equate it?
3 days!? I can do it in 9hrs.
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Old 03-28-2012, 10:15 PM   #13
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3 days!? I can do it in 9hrs.
I don't think he meant 3 days of playtime.

You do take breaks, right?


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I don't think he meant 3 days of playtime.

You do take breaks, right?
yes. still 9 hrs.
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Old 03-29-2012, 10:03 AM   #15
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3 days!? I can do it in 9hrs.
Big deal. This guy can beat it in 2 hours.

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I'm only interested in the books. So far I think they've been pretty good.
"The moment passed and the universe began to move again, though everything seemed to be happening in slow motion."
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"Revan's head snapped to the side, shock and horror emanating from him even though his mask hid his expression."

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Old 03-29-2012, 11:18 AM   #16
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"The moment passed and the universe began to move again, though everything seemed to be happening in slow motion."
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"Revan's head snapped to the side, shock and horror emanating from him even though his mask hid his expression."
That's worse than Spike's poetry from Buffy the Vampire Slayer... and the poetry was supposed to be bad.


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Old 04-08-2012, 09:19 AM   #17
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Old 04-07-2012, 01:22 PM   #18
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KotOR is a 7 year old game that you can play through in 3 days. So why try to equate it?
I don't think you realize that KOTOR is going to be a 9-year-old game this summer! I saw a trailer for KOTOR 10 years ago.


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Old 03-28-2012, 07:40 PM   #19
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Books: entertaining. Only Deceived and Revan have had any bearing whatsoever on the game as best I can determine.

Fatal Alliance has yet to bear any significance. None of the characters from it have solidly shown up in the game.



Gaming wise, can't comment. Have not played.

Story wise...neutral: it's a continuation if ever so minor about the sith emperor. That is about the only direct relation...and maybe one or two other characters. Keeping spoilerifics to a minimum, I don't think this is the last we've heard from Emperor Vitiate. Still a Work In Progress. Other than the ancient tyrant's connection to the KOTOR games, and apparently a few references (or so I am told) and some familiar character names there is no other connections.

What I don't like is the fact that it is an MMO you have to pay subscriptions to, but we've been through this before. Basically I believe when you buy a game, that should be all, save for DLC. But ce' le vie, this is what it is. So if they are determined to keep working on it and adding to it, I'm fine with that. They're listening to what we the fans are saying, and have been saying. Well, some of us.

I hear the complaint that "it doesn't revolutionize MMO gameplay". Just so long as it plays SOMETHING resembling KOTOR games and actually feels like Star Wars, I don't have much problem there as this will be my first MMO anyways. And probably the last. What it does do is add more storylines and voiced dialogue than any other has to date.

SWTOR is probably the reason this forum is beginning to come back a little.

I like that I'll be able to connect with some friends over long distances, and maybe get to "cyber hangout" with some people here.

To sum it up, I could take it or leave it. I'll take it for a time when I am able. But it's expensive, and it will be expensive to get to that point.


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Old 03-28-2012, 11:15 PM   #20
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I was in the "we must have KotOR III!" camp... now I don't give a rats about KotOR III cause TOR is awesome

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Old 03-29-2012, 01:38 AM   #21
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I was in the "we must have KotOR III!" camp... now I don't give a rats about KotOR III cause TOR is awesome
Ditto.

I was no way in hell I'll play a MMO camp, but I'm glad someone talked me into it.

Still not a fan of MMOs, but I am a fan of TOR. One of the big things to me when comparing it to KotOR and TSL is I don't have to play as a Jedi. I can be a hawt, green, female Han Solo.
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but I'm glad someone talked me into it.
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Old 04-10-2012, 12:52 PM   #23
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I was in the "we must have KotOR III!" camp... now I don't give a rats about KotOR III cause I just don't care anymore because I have no more faith in LucasArts or any Star Wars products in general anymore.
Fix'd to my line of thinking.
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They are two Star Wars games set roughly in the same time period. That's as far as it goes. They have about as much relation to one another as Republic Commando does to Force Unleashed.
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Old 03-29-2012, 03:57 PM   #27
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He just says that cause he can't pirate it

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Old 03-29-2012, 08:39 PM   #28
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He just says that cause he can't pirate it
Thank the maker, I was starting to think I just imagined playing it.
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Old 04-06-2012, 12:47 AM   #29
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He just says that cause he can't pirate it
Ehh I don't really like what they did with Revan and the general setting of of the game, which appears to be custom-tailored for MMOing. Another Sith invasion which the noble Jedi have to fight off in an epic war? Haven't we done that a million times already?

It's also ridiculously hugging the original-trilogy aesthetically. For all its OT homages, KotOR maintained a distinct style that made it look like its own franchise.

I've heard a lot of good things about TOR, mind, especially the story, but really, in relation to the KotOR games, this game is non-canon for me.


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It's also ridiculously hugging the original-trilogy aesthetically. For all its OT homages, KotOR maintained a distinct style that made it look like its own franchise.
Actually, to me it isn't nearly as much as it is made out to be. I don't think it is any more so than KOTOR and TSL were.

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Actually, to me it isn't nearly as much as it is made out to be. I don't think it is any more so than KOTOR and TSL were.
No, TOR is deliberately styled to look just like the Clone Wars for marketing purposes. K1 (and TSL) had some basic aesthetics that made it recognisable as Star Wars - lightsabers, droids, spaceships and FTL travel, aliens like Wookiees, Twi'leks, etc - but the art style was deliberately different to distinguish it from the movies. There were nods, but it was distinct enough to make it believable that it could be thousands of years before the movies. Of course K1 stepped over these bounds in one instance with the Yoda clone Vandar, and TSL did so by introducing a knock-off Star Destroyer that Nihilus took as his flagship, but those are pretty much the only examples that I can think of.

TOR, on the other hand, is nothing but a string of constant movie and cartoon knockoffs. I'm not sure who's decision that was, but I'm pretty sure LucasArts had a big say in the matter. The Republic troopers are dead ringers for prequel/Clone Wars cartoon Clone Troopers, the Agent pretty much has one of Padme's ships from TPM/AOTC, the Sith Empire uses the OT-era's Empire symbology and text/language (retconning that Palpatine ripped it off I gather), the Empire's capital ships are all OT-era Star Destroyer designs, the military on both sides use all manner of Prequel-esque equipment like the walkers the Clones use and the various droid designs of the Separatists, etc., etc.

The artistic styles are chalk and cheese. If you showed TOR and K1/TSL footage to someone who only knew the movies, I think it's very likely they'd peg TOR as something set in the movie timeline (likely a Clone Wars game) and K1/TSL as Star Wars, but not something they were familiar with.
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TOR, on the other hand, is nothing but a string of constant movie and cartoon knockoffs. I'm not sure who's decision that was, but I'm pretty sure LucasArts had a big say in the matter. The Republic troopers are dead ringers for prequel/Clone Wars cartoon Clone Troopers, the Agent pretty much has one of Padme's ships from TPM/AOTC, the Sith Empire uses the OT-era's Empire symbology and text/language (retconning that Palpatine ripped it off I gather), the Empire's capital ships are all OT-era Star Destroyer designs, the military on both sides use all manner of Prequel-esque equipment like the walkers the Clones use and the various droid designs of the Separatists, etc., etc.
As others have pointed out, it isn't as if everything is a carbon copy. Actually playing TOR doesn't in any way feel like I'm playing Clone Wars 2.0. For every ship or droid design that is somewhat similar, there are even more that are unique. KOTOR/TSL had this too. Playing myself I am struck by how little similarities there are to the PT, considering all the bitching that went on when the game was in development.

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To clarify, I don't hate LucasArts and they haven't ruined my life. They haven't made anything I've been interested in in years though, and when the biggest things they have coming out are an MMO and a Kinect game, it doesn't look like that'll be changing for a while.
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They haven't made anything I've been interested in in years though, and when the biggest things they have coming out are an MMO and a Kinect game, it doesn't look like that'll be changing for a while.
I think otherwise. If there is one thing that assures me, is that they have to make something different next time.



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"Revan's head snapped to the side, shock and horror emanating from him even though his mask hid his expression."
Somewhat appropriately, Revan is admittedly the weak link of the three, though decent as far as the larger EU is concerned (if you want some real beige prose, check out any of the movie novelizations other than RotS). Kemp's and Williams' contributions had (among other things) the advantage of not being shackled to predetermined foregone conclusions in their plots.


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I thought so too, until the artwork started looking like this:

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and when that ridiculous time-travel nonsense subplot began.

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I was kidding Sabre

That... and people who haven't actually played TOR get the setting wrong thinking it's, as you said, another epic war where the Jedi fight off the Sith. I've discovered through playing multiple characters that it's a hell of a lot more nuanced than that and that there's a lot more going on than meets the eye since there's a greater story being weaved through the multiple class storylines.

Also, what they may or may not have done to Revan in TOR isn't that bad as people try to make it out to be. I also have to point out that what The Old Republic has shown us at this point is only the beginning of the story that BioWare has planned. Again, while playing through multiple characters, I can see that there's more ahead very clearly and that things are going to be related back to KotOR.

As for aesthetics, there have been some changes since beta and since early access/release and even more changes coming in 1.2 and 1.3 onward which introduce more unique designs into the entire game. It seems pretty clear that at first they wanted to create a hook for regular Star Wars fans to hold onto with their design decisions but they're moving away from the more familiar designs into more unique ones now.

As for my judgement about TOR. I love the game as a Star Wars game but it's going to take a few years for me to decide how I feel about it in relation to where it fits into KotOR since I know there's still a lot of story left to explore with it. I want to see where it leads into the future before I make up my mind.

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Also, what they may or may not have done to Revan in TOR isn't that bad as people try to make it out to be. I also have to point out that what The Old Republic has shown us at this point is only the beginning of the story that BioWare has planned. Again, while playing through multiple characters, I can see that there's more ahead very clearly and that things are going to be related back to KotOR.
Though it is their own character, I find the direction quite interesting. From a character that was lauded off as unique given the stance(which might just be my own wishful thinking for the character), that they would use any means to achieve their goal, and it doesn't matter what's thrown in their way. Even more, Revan was willing to chose the dark side, knowing the risks, but still willing to use it anyway. Which might be only a stance that Obsidian gave Revan, but It only made the character more interesting(namely since TSL went with any possibility the first ended with, where TOR just leaves the ending of the second in the dust, while assuming things abut the first[which are true, but only light-sided]).

Now, of course, it becomes wiped down to Revan never having embraced the dark side for any reason, always being the Jedi at heart, and worst of all, made a pawn for this mysterious Emperor, alongside being captured. Compound this with the Exile's fate, and I can't have much of a like for the game. Unless there is more to it than that, which I find hard to follow.

Not that I intend to bash it entirely, as the rest of the story/game might just be great. Though I don't think I would ever intend on buying a game that hinges on paying for both the game itself, and another 20$+ every month, never mind the need for internet access(might be a single-player mode, without needing it, but still...).

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Funny, I don't remember it happening that way when I played the Revan parts in TOR. Though I can see how a lot of people see how it would be like that.

There are many points in TOR where it's made clear that Revan did embrace both the light and dark side and while he is against the Emperor and the state of the Empire as it is, that doesn't mean he's always been a Jedi at heart. I certainly never got that impression from the information I got from the game.

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