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Old 04-23-2002, 04:41 AM   #81
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people whinging anytime is gay, but you shouldnt lash out at all people who choose the saber over a gun in ffa games cause of it

i dont use guns because i find that they're too easily countered, but that's just me
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Old 04-23-2002, 12:19 PM   #82
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Re: Re: what is with you guys thinking you are some type of badass jedi because you can use

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the whole point of jedi knight is that lightsabres are above guns
There are some guns that even a lightsaber can't defend against.
How would it look if you could saber-deflect a rocket?


Whats next?

A single Jedi standing on a planet deflecting a shot by the deathstar saving the planet and destroying the station?


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Old 04-23-2002, 12:30 PM   #83
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You must realize that the Light Saber is above the death star. Infidel.

I don't see no X-Wing taking out a lightsaber with a single shot. Not even when the pilot was bullseyeing womprats in his T36 back home.
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Old 04-23-2002, 01:02 PM   #84
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Angry Say what?

Don't call me Infidel, bug boy.

All I'm saying is that the saber won't protect you against everything.

If you for example shoot an Death Star beam (exaggerating, I know...) on a single Jedi knight holding his saber in ready position, then saber maybe will be intact after the hit but the knight would be toast, would he not?

(can't belive I'm discussing this...)

In conclusion: The saber is not above all guns, meaning it wont protect you against hell on earth.

If you shoot a rocket on a Jedi, the saber might take a portion of the hit but mutch will hit the knight as well.

This should be taken into consideration when one says "The Saber is above all guns" and then mean that the guns are to strong in the game.

Not trying to agitate, so don't mess with me.


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Old 04-23-2002, 01:11 PM   #85
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Damn. You obviously have trouble picking up on sarcasm don't you?
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Old 04-23-2002, 01:25 PM   #86
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Smile Misunderstanding then...

Honestly didn't see the sarcasm.

Just edgy on account of all the jokers out there who always has something smart to say.

Sorry if I barked at you

No hard feelings?


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Old 04-24-2002, 12:09 AM   #87
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What is wrong with you people? NO ONE is going to tell me how to play the game I paid my hard earned money for. I LIKE guns. I use guns all the time and I don't complain when others use guns. Sometimes I'll play with my saber because it's fun to use too but I sure don't whine when someone doesn't "be a man" and switch to his saber because I have mine out. That is absolutely retarded! Absurdity I say, absuridity!

Sure, so the saber is a mythical thing and all...but it's just another weapon (although a really damn cool one). I mean, I don't recall people running around in Doom2 whining when I used the SSG and they had their chainsaw or in Q1 when I used a RL and they were running around with their axe. Of course I realize that combat with a saber is much more complex but you people should not expect us to put down our guns to play YOUR style of the game if the server is not designated that way.

And Dago, a game is much more than it's weapons. It's about environment, weapons, graphics, netcode, expandability, and uber importantly...the "feel". The "feel" is one reason why I could never get into UT eventhough I was addicted like a crack addict to Q1/QW, Q2, CS, etc.

I don't go to saber only servers and call everyone names for not using guns. That would be just stupid.

If you don't like guns, play saber only servers OR ADAPT. Learn to adapt for crying out loud. I like when folks use repeaters, especially if I don't have one as I'll run up and steal it out of their hands...saves me the trip to go pick one up.

Give me a break you people who say go play Q3 if you don't use saber only. PFFT! Q3 != JK2 - Sabers. That is just a stupid statement and it reaffirms my theory that 80% of the people in the world are stupid. So you guys must think UT = Q3 = Q2 = Q1/QW = Doom2 = Rise of the Triad?!?! Negative.

In CS the AWP used to drive me nuts but I NEVER told people to not use it. I ADAPTED and learned to counter the AWP. It's such a pleasurable thing to run up and smoke someone with a deagle who's been trying to AWP you for 4 or 5 shots.

If you don't like how a server is setup, contact the admin and see if he'll change it. Or...setup your own server. That probably means some of you will need to get a Jay Ohh Bee.

Anyways, continue to whine and snivel. I chuckle now when people complain to me about using guns. Freaks really think they're going to change how I play the game. I'm having fun and will continue to have fun AND I'll continue to play within the parameters of the game as created by Raven.
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Old 04-25-2002, 02:50 PM   #88
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Hmm, quite the complicated issue we have here. Here, let me take a crack at it.

We have those that want the feel they get from the movies. Jedi fighting against impossible odds and arguably greater technology to triumph.

Then we have those who only derive fun from winning and want to do whatever it takes to do so, guns, force, sabre, whatever as long as they get the kills.

And of course there are many who lay anywhere in between.

So what's the solution? Make everyone happy. How do we do that? Well, that's complicated.

For the Jedi fans (I'll admit, I'm one) create an option that seperates those who want to use guns from those who want to use sabres. If you use guns you don't get access to the Force, just that simple. It was mentioned that a basic array might be allowed, Jump 1, Absorb 1, etc so as to grant them some form of defense vs the Jedi Maniacs.

So Jedi would be unchanged, you get the Force and a Sabre. That's it.

Should anything be done to further alter gunners? Maybe. Blasters ought to have some further use besides spraying into a crowd. Just an incentive to use something other than the Repeater. However if not everyone can pull out a lightsabre then they might have more value than before.

As far as the infamous Repeater goes, well, it is mighty powerful. I first started playing MP a few days ago and I during my second game I managed to beat 15 other players to the 50 kill mark to win that game. What did I use? The Repeater of course. My competition came from a Sabre wielding Jedi. He had 49.

What am I getting at? With little experience with JK (although I do have a significant amount with UT) I was able to beat a sabre-wielding player who was far more skilled than I. Did I mention I didn't use the Force at all?

That struck me as very, very wrong. I usually play FPS with a sense of honor

So what needs to be done? A few things. As I said above an option to create a split between Force users and non-Force users might be valuable. The idea of heavier weapons slowing you down is a valid one and seems to have worked out in other games.

If you want to use guns in the next game all you have to do is alter it like you'd alter your Force powers. The changes don't take place until the next game so there wouldn't be anyone randomly switching in mid-match.

However since all of this is only an option those who like guns and the Force or being able to switch between all of them can still have fun as well. There, now isn't everyone happy?

To those who are upset by getting slapped around by the alt-fire, well, it's really one of the few counters people have for the sabre. Area of effect weapons are how you're going to get at a Jedi. Everyone needs a weakness, that's your's.

Since that match where I went berserk with the repeater I've switched to a Light side, sabre-only Jedi. I find it's much more rewarding to fight that way. The only thing you have to watch out for are those who look to bomb an area where you are fighting with another Jedi. *shrug*

That's just my long-winded response to all of this.
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Old 04-26-2002, 03:27 PM   #89
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Re: Re: Re: what is with you guys thinking you are some type of badass jedi because you can use

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Originally posted by V-tecc


Whats next?

A single Jedi standing on a planet deflecting a shot by the deathstar saving the planet and destroying the station?
Shh...You're giving away the ending to the next Star wars movie after Attack of the clones
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Old 04-26-2002, 03:46 PM   #90
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Thumbs up Rant mode...

Jedi Knight (the DF series) has always been about guns, and since JK1, about guns AND sabers (and explosives).

If JK were only about sabers, why did Raven spend all that time designed the other dozen weapons and bothering to balance them?

Star Wars has always been about more than just Jedi. And being a Jedi is more than just dueling other saber users (ever watch Episode I? Return of the Jedi? Heck, you have examples in all the movies of lightsaber people fighting non-saber users).

I think that some people are upset, because in their eyes, they should be able to use the saber and always win, unless it's against somebody else in a lightsaber duel. The feel that being killed by a gun is the worst possible thing that can happen and so they want to make it impossible, not through skill, but through whining, setting up rules of ettiquette and begging Raven to change the game. This is an unrealistic expectation, since that's not the game that Raven spent their time and money designing.

Everytime somebody says to me, "If you want to use guns, go play Quake" I'll say "If you want to use sabers only, join a saber only server/If you only want to duel join a duel server!" Or how about "If you want to just use sabers and Force, go play Obi-Wan!" Sounds silly, doesn't it? But it's no more silly than people using the "just play Quake3" line.

I remember back in the days when JK had just come out, that line about Quake/2 was used a lot. Back then we didn't have an official Lightsaber-only gametype (MotS added this) so from that point on, it was a rather flimsy excuse, since saber only people had their own gametype, and didn't need to whine.

This isn't a Star Wars movie. This isn't an RPG. The Jedi and the good guys are NOT guarenteed to win! There's no scripting, it's all based on skill, luck, and the differing circumstances of each battle and the players' moods at the time.

Is that so hard to understand? People want to become invincible the moment they pickup a saber, and feel ashamed if anyone with a gun can beat them. Well maybe that gunner just had more skill than you, and you died through your own poor tactics? Or maybe you got sniped and you just weren't paying attention?

Bottom line: I'll use all of the weapons that the server settings allow, thank you very much, and if you can't adapt to it, then I guess you need more skill and practice. ; )
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Old 04-26-2002, 04:27 PM   #91
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What excuse is this. Kj2 is quake - sabbers ? YEAH SURE BUT THERE U CANT HEAL 60 hitpoints.u can DODGE ALL !!!!!! WEAPONS.

ROCKET LUNCHER AND GRENADES WHEN SHOTED NEAR U DAMAGE U AS WELL.DO U KNOW HOW MUCH ****ING ANOYING IS TO GET AT U and whn trying to sabber u u shoot a ****ing ROCKET on ur feet instant killing me while u get 0 damage !.PLAY ON A ****ING FRIENDLY DAMAGE ON SERVER AND UR ALT FIRE REPATER WILL MAKE U KICKED ASAP !

FORCE JUMP +rocket lucnher=Tribes 2(spin fusor) EVERYONE THERE JUMPS ! and shoots the AREA EFFECT WEAPON at them.

Force speed +Alt fire repater=plz god i cant aim i suck so much do something ! and ravensoft made imperial repeater blue energy ball.Now this weapon has massive range shoots very fast has MANY charges and if the blue bal before hits the ground hits u...u die instantly meaning u cant go near(try it and u ll see) EVEN IF U WANTED TOO the force speed will get them away and oufcourse they ll jsut FORCE JUMP WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY up so they get away from u and oufcourse they ll just heal ALL the damage they get.Mind trick and blue ball anyone.

Pull...What a useless piece of junk.If the enemy has the same lv of pull(thats the counter) u got a high chanhe to stop it..... and exept for that WOW absorb so u cant get the weapon away.ALSO WHILE U ARE RUNNING AND TRY !!! TO PUSH THE DAMN MISSLE back to them ur crosshair accidently targets the aborsb player making him absorb the force and u get toasty toasty by the ****ing rocket.

Hello what the **** is this that sabers block everything but those weapons.NO UR TOTALLY WRONG. THE SABBERS STOP THOSE ONLY !!!!!!!!!!! IF U STAND STILL.RED STANCE WHEN MOVING HAS 5% chance to block medium 15% and light 30% and that on defence lv 3 !!!.

BUT HOW WOULD U KNOW THIS.DID U EVER USED THEM ?? OUFCOURSE NOT !!!

do u hear anyone here complaining about grenades ? NO u know why? u can ACTUALLY DODJE THEM if u got the skill and right timing.THE ****ing blue ball even iff u jump !!(and the animations clearly saws the ground being hited) u get damage.

What the hell.Putting detonator on ur feet so the sabber guy comes at u and BAM he is dead ur not getting any damage....

I ll tell u what they should do.
Secondary fire of imperial repeater flethet, and primary/secondary of rocket lunher fire and detonators will ALWAYS BY DEFAULT AND WILL BY ANY MEANS CANT BE TURNED OFF,HAVE FRIENDLY FIRE ON.So the gunners team get screwed and if he keeps doing that **** he gets kicked by his own team,

AND DESABLE THE USE OF LIGHT/DARK FORCES WHILY USING a gun and penalty of theyr neutral forces by one holocron lv.Lets say u got ur abber out and u got a lv 2 force speed when u get ur gun out it becomes lv 1. If u had lv 1 with saber u get no force speed with guns.
Why ? cause all the gunners take the massive amount of points
needed for sabber defence and offence and max EVERYTHNG ELSE
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Old 04-26-2002, 04:32 PM   #92
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and to make the imperial secondary reapter fire not make people get kicked out make this have NO AREA OF EFFECT .THe energy ball is big enough and can hit multiple enemys already(or a tiny ! aoe)
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Old 04-26-2002, 04:43 PM   #93
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I guess i got to join the bitch session too.

I hate any one that kills me. Come on guys get starwars spirit. We should all band together to stand against evil. Enough with the sensless killing, just because you spawn in a server, doenst mean you have to go kill the other player. If the REAL starwars universe acted like this, would the Death Star ave been destroyed?

Enough with the violence people. I for one vow to enter a server particularly a dueling server, and will try to reason with my opponent. So what if they have guns. They can always put them down and hug thier fellow man.

Enough with the violence, dont kill me anymore. Or i might just get upset about it. And it would ruin my enjoyment of the game.


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Old 04-26-2002, 04:46 PM   #94
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The above is a combonation of sarcasm and alcohol


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Old 04-26-2002, 04:51 PM   #95
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Nice rant there tyrael my Greek friend but due to ure horrible spelling many people will not know what u said! Perhaps run it thru babel fish!


Whatcha gonna do!? Whatcha gonna do?! Whatcha gonna do when darth Maul goes wild on u?!?!
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Old 04-26-2002, 05:01 PM   #96
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o damn what a bunch of losers i must see .... in all my time playing on 32 ffa imperial or raven or deathstar map servers, repeater alt fire was never my biggest problem, GUYS, you can PUSH them back, you can run away, you can throw your saber, you can enable protection you can roast them if you are a darkside lamer or whatever ... a real Jedi fights mainly with his saber then the force and if his opponent doesn't want it any different he KICKS his damn gunlaming ass with a well mastered weapon, for chrissake!

JK2 is about the combination of Saber, Force and guns.
BUT if you just want to slay down everyone with your mega cool weapon and be the hero for once in your little messed life, just go play quake or CS or whatever ...

If you want to play JK2, you just must have the little star wars spirit ... WTF you think it has to do with Star Wars running around with force speed shootin' some fighting ppl down ...

I dont have a big problem with gunlamers or darkside users, since i kill them all, the only thing that annoys me MOST are gun or lighning lamers that just wait that the fighting ppl get weak so taht they can lame them down....

for me its not mainly about frags but more about killing my favourite gunlamer several times, with my saber of course...

to resume:
Fight like a Jedi
NOT
like a Quaker or
like a CS Player or
like a UT Player or
like a Highlander ....


Phear me! Red Saber, bright side, go to hell or play Quaka all you gun lamers, Saber only rules....
you ****in lighning users ... ever heard of absorbtion ?
hahahahhaha *infernal laughter*
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Old 04-27-2002, 01:06 AM   #97
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oh yeah? liten to this.I got more anoyed today with the gunners so i tryed it myself.And u know what? i am gonna use this till they balance the god damn gunners.
here is the gunners guide aka" how the jedis got destroyed and why luke cant find anyone.....

Bespin map put a detonation pack (somewhere tha 3-4 people will fight..prolly near the flag).Then lv 3 mindtrick..... 3-4 jedis fighting there.BOOOM. there ya go 4 frags.

Dark rage and alt fire repeater
Yeah sure if u survive this and ur not pissed enough u ll get 100% drained as a gift (bassically u shoot at the speed of the alt fire E-11 blaster)

force speed and rocket luncher.
lol this is funny they run hell fast to u(very short distance between u and them) and rocket lunch.THey INSTANT kill u and they get 0 dm since friendly fire is off (it sould be on !!!)

Fletchet+ dark rage
Haha u got 2 things to do.First to akt fire to shoot the flechet grenades and then... if he comes near u put dark rage.YOU GONNA TAKE MINIMUM dmg and u gonna have a machinegun/shotgun hybrid.What !!!**** i am out of ammo uh well there ya go BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ(lighting)


Mindtrick + any weapon
Mindtrick and get behind the flag protector (no comments ;-) )

Bespin map
Go on the enemys flag base and through the elevator get on the upper part of the platform(remeber u need a rocket luncher and few det packs.Do ur little trick with the det packs on the place that jedis fight for cheap easy kills
Ok now we got a job to do oh the enemy coming with ur flag ...NO WORRIES just throw the missle it ll hit him OR it ll push him down.


Have fun pissing jedis by constant killing them with detonation packs.Just put one on ur feets and when he comes BOOM there he goes.....

Remember u need push lv 3 to counter pull lv 3.Now 70% of pull will never work and will also leave them for one hit killer shot from ur gun.Plus u do have absorb so....... just put it on and become invisible.When u see that ur energy lv is down by 3/4 just use mind trick and go recharge somewhere...it ll take u only 5 sec.Besides u can still shoot him as he turns his back to help his teammate that is being gripped(or just detonate him......)


Dark rage + primary imperial repeater.
do this and u are gonna be the first one that shoots bullets with the speed of a laser beam :-) (and no there is NO way a jedi can deflect the bullets at that speed)


To the gunners that dont know a **** about the sabre.
The light stance on defence lv 3 has 30% chanche tlo block incoming fire when moving,15% the medium and 5% the heavy one.So u CAN Hit them with ALL Guns and U DONT need aoe weapons but u HAVENT ever used the other guns and THATS WHY U SHOULD NOT BE IN Jk2 BUT QUAKE OR UNREAL OR HF!!!


I wanna see answers for each of the strategys i used as gunner today.SOMETHING THAT WILL !!! stop that.

And btw here is what u CANT do to those strategys that u ll again and again post( i mean push and pull... but anyways u ll see right now)


Detonation pack
Ok let's see u go the flag u put a det pack down.THe jedi has 2 choices.
(A) change to a gun target the det pack and shoot it.But oufcourse ur force speed lv 3 will have gained u the flag point before he starts hunting u.
(B) Jump above it too avoid it but..... the area of it's effect will kill u
There ya go one point down.(remember lv 3 pull/push to prevent the loose of the weapon force speed to run away,force heal to heal and absorb to stop the forces at all)

Dark rage+alt fire repeater
Forget it there is no way to do anything here.With the +% speed that dark rage gives that ****ing energy ball is being shot at a machinegun rate (u can shoot 4 times before the jedi force push recovery time ended)
(u also got drain to stop him from using forces..... and oufcourse... lv 3 push/pull to counter the last 70 % of the time they are used against u)

Force speed+Rocket luncher=Yeah yeah i am sure we ALL gonna push that missle that is not targeting us but the ground(doesnt have to be direct hit the huge aoe will kill the jedis anyway with one strike).Not to mention that ur not gonna scroll ur mouse with 75% ench speed(before u fully turned the missle will already killed u...trust me it cant be stopped it worke like a charm on the game i played).Anyway Even if u run to hit him with ur sabre... u ll both run at the same speed he has a ranged weapon u dont =ur dead

Mind trick + any weapon
Lol this is massively funny.You see when both sidse got the flag the flag carriers will hide. All u gotta do is to use ur lv 3 mind trick that will cloack u from all enemies at that area go behind the flag carrier and kill him.

And dont tell me that force see will coutner it...... u gotta KNOW that someone is using mind trick and that's kinda hard when ur playing on 32 players ctf(mind trick lv 3 is insanely powerfull u dont have to target anything all players on map cant see u and i dont mean the respaned players.. only the one that were alive when u used it)


You wanna hear some balance ?

Put weapon mastery.
Just like the jedis gotta spend points to get the sabre stance the same way u get the guns.
Lv 1 weapon mastery will give u only the blaster,wookie bowcaster,E-11 imperial rifle,thermal detonators and that droid killing weapon(i dont remember its name)
HOLOCRON LV 1 FORCE COST:1

Lv 2 weapon mastery will add the secondary fire to the lv 1 weapons and give u access to flechet,imperial repeater PRIMARY FIRE and disruptor thingie(the sniping one)

*notes on lv 2 mastery*
the distruptor secondary fire will by default be enabled.

HOLOCRON LV 2 FORCE COST:5

Lv 3 weapon mastery is gonna give u access to the heaviest things on the game.Acess to the rocket luncher and the enable of the secondary fire for fletchete and imperial repeater.Unfortunnatly due to the technology architecture of those weapons the force around the wearer is weakened and u can not advance more than lv 2(meaning no forces higher than lv2 ).

Also some forces unique to jedis will not be spawned(meaning not selectable) to the heavy Arms masters.(meaning force absorb,force protect that u never use...,dark rage to prevent the deadly combo and drain that is only used by gunners with dark rage for fast health recharge)


HOLOCRON LV 3 FORCE COST:8

*note* Thermal detonators,trip mines and detonation packs will be be used by all
team heal and team energize can be used by lv 3 weapon masters without penalty

From all the posts i read in this forum i took the best tweaked them to make the game fun for both sides.

Beleave me this is gonna make the game rock.First of all u have to decide...... will i get the special forces and become a jedi.Or will i get those heavy guns and maybe pump some points on sabbers as well.Heh i guess it's time to see is that little thingie worths something

About the cost of the mastery ? same as the sabber one..... 18 points.Now count out the force lv 3 points requiered and absorb/protect from light side and dark rage/drain and there u are.TEAM ENERGIZE AND TEAM HEAL will ACTUALLY BE !!! used on the game. WE will have doctors and.... mobile batteries
THEy will USE the sabber a bit and will eventually pump a bit the defence(offence maybe and saber throw)

ALL the forces will be used and by no means they ll have the extreme advantages they know have.the jedis WILL be able to run faster(but then again u dont need lv 3 speed...) they will HAVE a change to pull the damn weapon will not get hardcore damage from lv 3 grip(40 dmg) neither will be able to zap all enemys on screen with theyr lighting...For that they got rocket lunchers and imperial repeaters.

New classes.Instead of the gunner and the jedi we will have medics and mobile batteries

Tiny balances that also must be made are.
Detonation pack friendly damage should be by default on(and cant be turned off).

Rocket luncher friendly damage by default be on(and cant be turned off)

Imperial repeater blue energy ball can be evaded if u jump at the moment it hits the ground.bassicaly you will have a chanche to avoid it and gunners will still be able to kill lots of enemys with it(besides the ball is big enough to hit u on air ....)

There we go everyone happy... guns not unbalanced not out of the game.... they can still use forces ;-) jedis got an advantage on forces CAN(but hard) evade the repeater energy ball and gunners will not have 32 points advantage (cause they take all points from sabber defence and offence and max everything else!)


Sory for the HUGE post it's only 9126 charachters
Anyway i am gonna email this to ravensoft and..... see if they make this :

if they DO it this game is gonna rock and saw it's superiority to all games.why ? we have classes.WE HAVE TEAMWORK(healers ,gunner support,jedi close combat) sdk to make mods and maps and not much lag (now a way to vote to change settings like no forces/only lightsabre etc ?)
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Old 04-27-2002, 03:00 AM   #98
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Just a quick few points from a sabre player. This horse has been flogged a fair bit already.

At first I did get annoyed with weapon spammers. Not so much because I was dying but because I just couldn't understand why anyone would buy a Jedi Knight game (though they probably didn't buy it at all) only to use guns. Same reason I get frustrated at playing my favourite game SWAT3, which was designed for co-op, and being unable to find any games because everyone had DM servers up. Why play a gametype that was tacked on almost as an afterthought to the detriment of a much better style of play?

Currently there *is* a lack of servers for some people. Ping is very important in this game so the argument "go and play a sabre only server" can basically boil down to "go and play on a laggy server" and that's no fun. However this will change, as has been discussed.

Anyway, as I said, I got pissed at first but I'm getting over it now, as my sabre skills improve and I can take out gunners or at least run from them. If they want to waste the chance to play a unique game style and charge around like it was Quake then fine, let them. I'll have my fun finding the guys on the map who will extinguish their sabre, bow and duel...

Final point though, to the chap who said that he paid his money and he'll damn well take his choice as to how he plays. Yes, that's a very good point. You've invested in the game and you should be allowed to play how you like. UP UNTIL THE POINT where you are depriving other purchasers of the software from playing the way they like too. I'm talking now about cheating mostly. As I said, I can deal with people playing "the wrong way," if they are (IMO) stupid enough to do so.

After all, I could stroll on to a football (real football, not gridiron) pitch wearing my expensive Nike boots and replica kit but the fact that I paid for my gear doesn't give me the right to declare that - unlike everyone else on the field - I should be allowed to pick up the ball and carry it into the net. Other players bought their kit too and they want their game to be played in the right spirit.
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yaeh but do u like my idia?
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Old 04-27-2002, 10:44 AM   #100
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im finding that im starting to use the guns a bit more now, but im still a big saber/force user. i dont begrudge anyone using a gun mind you, it's their choice

i think my reluctance to use guns is because of their dullness to me. the gun selection is basically, laser gun, fast firing laser gun, laser gun with zoom, spread fire laser gun, laser gun that rebounds off walls, really fast firing laser gun, explosive laser gun, anti-droid laser gun, then the fletchette and rocket launcher, which are both unoriginal, and lastly the typical collection of explosives - grens, tripmines, det packs.

for me that's nothing i cant get in UT, Q3, or CS. what draws me to jk2 is the sabers and the force, AS WELL as the way they combine with guns to make an interesting MP game. i much prefer only using saber+force on a guns server than saber only server
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Old 04-27-2002, 01:05 PM   #101
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And is there a secret code of gunners ?
Dont hit other with guns go ONLY after the people with the sabres.
Hide somewhere wait the jedis to fight with the sabber and kill them both with ur big gun
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Sorry... Had to put in my two cents...

A free for all simply means that everyone's on their own. No team, nothing. A free for all doesnt mean guns and sabers...

You can still have a free for all in ANY game out there that has multiplayer and have restrictions on weapons and powerups. It has nothing to do with rules and weapons other than restricting u to do other things. So when its a FFA and they are using only sabers, well its ok then and it is still classified as FFA.

Just had to set the difference between the two, and If you think I am wrong, check any game with multiplayer and the words FFA in it. It doesnt say "dont just use saber, use everything". I've played FFA games in Halo that only use Human Weapons, and TimeSplitters 2 where I used only rocket launchers. And it still said "Free for all".
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That's a very good point you make there...

In addition "Duel" doesn't imply Sabers only. It can be played with everything, full force, no force, etc. People just tend to play it with sabers, so they tend to take that for granted, just like FFA tends to be guns+force+sabers.

Sabers Only. Jedi Vs. Merc. No Force. These are all just mod "switches" that can be used to modify the base game.


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Guys, I didnt bother to read all 3 pages, but I read most of the first page, I'll put in my 2 cents.

Use whatever weapon you want, be it a gun, or a lightsaber, and dont complain about getting killed by either, take it as a learning experience, and learn how to not let that happen again.
I see alot of people saying the game isnt balanced enough for all weapon FFA, and I partially agree, the game does have balance issues, but that doesnt stop you from going to a saber only server.
I'm having trouble trying to say the right thing here, because I feel iffy on this situation myself, right now guns have a clear advantage over saber combat, and it does piss me off sometimes, but if I want saber only combat, I join a saber only server, thats that, believe it or not, there ARE ways to counter every gun with only a lightsaber and the force.. You guys say heavy repeater is lame, well I'm guessing most of you have low enough ping to press the force push button when someone shoots an alt fire shot at you from that gun, and have it send it right back, if you really want to suprise the gunner, let him shoot once, then jump up and start chain pulling him, more often than not that makes him wig out and turn around and try to run, because the splash damage will kill both of you.
As far as balancing the game goes, the more weapons the heavier you are the slower you run I agree with, and the saber damage needs to be similar to g_saberrealisticcombat 3, that way if you swat him with blue, he loses a limb and dies.


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I guess the problem is, a lot of players who are either big into roleplaying or want the game to be "just like the movies" want this:

"saberists" (people who use the saber+force exclusively)

should be able to "hold their own" (ie: keep up in score)

with

"gunners" (people who use everything but sabers)


The fact is, even in the movies, Jedi Knights and Masters were overwhelmed and KILLED (in large numbers) by foes with superior firepower.

Don't believe me? Watch AOTC again, witness the slaughter at the Geonosis arena. With only droid blasters and those explosive guns the Geonosians used, the Seperatists were able to whittle down the huge Jedi army in no time.

Anyway... there are mods which attempt to modify this situation (Promod, Jedi Vs. Merc) but none do it 100% successfully and still retain a "movie flavor."

The fact is, the best players will always be the ones who can take WHATEVER IS AVAILABLE (ie: force, guns, sabers) and use them to their advantage as the situation calls for them.

The world's greatest saberist is going to be beaten by the world's greatest "everything" player. The only way to make saberists supreme would be to nerf all of the guns and make the force unavailable to gunners, because even gunners still use the force!

Anyway, that's my rant. I don't think these folks will ever be satisfied. The Jedi Knight games have always been about Sabers+guns+force.

Duels are awesome and can be a lot of fun, but there is a REASON we have lightsaber challenges in FFA and a "Jedi Master" game mode, etc... saberists aren't supposed to be able to dominate just because they can swing a lightsaber around.


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