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Old 12-09-2003, 10:03 PM   #1
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Arrow Help Stop Admin Abuse! Cast your vote against AMlaming in Xmod2!

http://x.fragism.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=451

Hex and company over at =X= team, makers of Xmod2 for JA have decided to put up a poll to see what the community thinks.


Do expanded "admin functions" like slapping, sleeping, slaying and teleporting really benefit the game or are they prone to abuse and should be taken out of Xmod2?

"Amlaming" practically ruined gameplay in Jedi Outcast, and made playing on public servers a real chore for anyone who just wanted to play, rather than put up with bullying. Now with the zeal of some mod authors to add these same abuse-prone commands to the new game... it's all set to start the ruin of Jedi Academy.

Let's not let that happen!

Let me remind everybody that if you want to amslap people in JA there are currently three mods you can do that in... JA+ Mod (which also features flip kicks), OmniMod and Xmod2.

The author of the famous Jedi Academy Mod for JK2 has removed abusive admin functions from his JA Reloaded mod for JA (except for Sleep, which he insisted was necessary).

So cast your vote!

Update: 4 people voted against AMLaming abuse, 6 in favor of it. Let's go!

Don't let the "honor d00ds" and bullies win the day! Show your support for ending the ADMIN ABUSE that is encouraged by amlaming!


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Old 12-09-2003, 11:28 PM   #2
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Old 12-09-2003, 11:32 PM   #3
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not another laming thread....will you people just shut up about it and play like you wanted all along? you people are becoming quite some hypocrites

I think abusive commands should be taken out like in JA realoaded, btw sleep isnt abusive, it just stops the rule-breaker and allows the admin to explain the rules to them.

Another thing i would like to get off my chest, not all "Honour DooDs" are ignorant, childish, and say crap like "OMGOMG!!111 LAMER NOOB!!! AHHH!! IM 60nn4 |<IC|< JOO OFF t3H SERVER!!!111" I for 1 have to say i am defenatly not like that. I think admin mods are great, they allow what the SERVER (not you, the client)
can make rules and enforce them, another thing, =X= mod isnt gonna take over jk3, relax man, you can still go on the server that has your type of rules/mod.

I do not like how I am smited just because of my opinions, you people are taking it like its offending you, im not trying to offend you, im just trying to say my opinion.

"Honor Doods" can fight btw. we ffa, tffa, ctf, umm...everything, we just dont like to make it unfair for every1 else.

My last belif...I follow a code, its called bushido, (im not saying im a samurai ) didnt relize i was following it until i met some1 who told me about it. The code has to do with honor and respect (theres much more)and i bring it wherever i go ....what im basically saying is honor is not bad, and theres noting wrong with bringing honor to a game, Admin mods have just allowed honored people to have their own server/clan server and go on it
with people like them for thier own type of playing. We only kick/ban/punish because we are trying to say one thing "learn to follow the rules or get out" its that simple, Play where it suits you, ull be fine
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Old 12-09-2003, 11:43 PM   #4
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YAY,
Go Kurgan,


All you guys have to do is vote yes, to takeing away powers.

DO IT!!

If you vote no you should get banned, LOL j/k

HAHAHA we are winning!

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Old 12-09-2003, 11:44 PM   #5
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like i said =X=mod isnt gonna take over jk3
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Old 12-09-2003, 11:53 PM   #6
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like i said =X=mod isnt gonna take over jk3
be glad, if it did you would run into players like us and I don't think most people would enjoy playing us.


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Old 12-09-2003, 11:54 PM   #7
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Old 12-09-2003, 11:55 PM   #8
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Play where it suits you, ull be fine
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Old 12-09-2003, 11:55 PM   #9
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I never thought Kurgan would start partisan threads since he usually is the mediator of problems, hence a neutral character.

I never agreed with most of that junk, sleep, whatever. But I like the team lock option, where u can lock red team or blue team.


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Old 12-10-2003, 12:20 AM   #10
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Old 12-10-2003, 12:26 AM   #11
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if xmod took over jk2 what makes you think it wont take over jk3? the abundancy of options that you can configure a server with are prevalent, its not so straightforward that all of the options will be used simultaneously. If a person is unhappy with the presentation of a single option in jka that the xmod has made available to configure it is ADVANTAGEOUS to download xmod.
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Old 12-10-2003, 12:26 AM   #12
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I'd like to thank Kurgan for making this a big deal It's not often I get such a large response from the community about features. I thank everyone who takes the time to vote in the poll and I value each of your posts. After all, I'm making this for you guys this time around.

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Old 12-10-2003, 01:14 AM   #13
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Re: Help Stop Admin Abuse! Cast your vote against AMlaming in Xmod2!

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Originally posted by =X=Master HeX
I can see where you guys are comming from and I agree some commands should be removed. The ones that I think should be removed are:

x_ckill
x_csleep
x_ctrip
x_cslap
x_cport
I'd say that's pretty reasonable...
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Old 12-10-2003, 01:19 AM   #14
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i'd go with that. better than nothing.

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Old 12-10-2003, 01:27 AM   #15
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be glad, if it did you would run into players like us and I don't think most people would enjoy playing us.
You mean kick whores.

NO ADMIN POWERS!!!!!!!!!!!
There is an abusive admin on jk2 chop shop server!!!
It will be abused, who needs it anyway.
If there is an ass just kick him!


I think MAster Hex should make the non staff kick take away 10 force points or something so we dont have kick whores.
There would still be reason to use the staff.
Make the kick do from 5 to 10 damage. I like kick but I dont like the constant kicking, it takes no skill just a good computer.


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Old 12-10-2003, 01:29 AM   #16
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You mean kick whores.

NO ADMIN POWERS!!!!!!!!!!!


I think MAster Hex should make the non staff kick take away 10 force points or something so we dont have kick whores.
There would still be reason to use the staff.
Make the kick do from 5 to 10 damage. I like kick but I dont like the constant kicking, it takes no skill just a good computer.
I think you should shut up.


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Old 12-10-2003, 01:32 AM   #17
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I think you should shut up.

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Old 12-10-2003, 01:32 AM   #18
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lol, why.

Its just my opinion.


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Old 12-10-2003, 01:34 AM   #19
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we are kick whores. we know that. we know you hate it. thats what gives us our jollies. pissing you off while owning you at the same time.

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Old 12-10-2003, 01:34 AM   #20
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I think you should shut up.
Hmm... I was thinking the same thing.
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Old 12-10-2003, 01:35 AM   #21
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lol, why.

Its just my opinion.
It's my opinion that you should shut up.


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Old 12-10-2003, 01:36 AM   #22
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its my opinion that you should stop bitching.


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Old 12-10-2003, 01:37 AM   #23
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LOL! Who was bitching?

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Originally posted by SpecialForces
You mean kick whores.

NO ADMIN POWERS!!!!!!!!!!!
There is an abusive admin on jk2 chop shop server!!!
It will be abused, who needs it anyway.
If there is an ass just kick him!


I think MAster Hex should make the non staff kick take away 10 force points or something so we dont have kick whores.
There would still be reason to use the staff.
Make the kick do from 5 to 10 damage. I like kick but I dont like the constant kicking, it takes no skill just a good computer.
Was it this guy...?
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Old 12-10-2003, 01:38 AM   #24
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Its my opinion that you (SpecialOlympics) should stop being a ****ing tool and stfu.

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Originally posted by SpecialForces
its my opinion that you should stop bitching.
Eh? I only told you to shut up, that's not classified as bitching where I come from but this is.

Quote:
You mean kick whores.

NO ADMIN POWERS!!!!!!!!!!!
There is an abusive admin on jk2 chop shop server!!!
It will be abused, who needs it anyway.
If there is an ass just kick him!


I think MAster Hex should make the non staff kick take away 10 force points or something so we dont have kick whores.
There would still be reason to use the staff.
Make the kick do from 5 to 10 damage. I like kick but I dont like the constant kicking, it takes no skill just a good computer.


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Old 12-10-2003, 01:40 AM   #26
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Eh? I only told you to shut up, that's not classified as bitching where I come from but this is.
were I come from that is clasified as STATING MY OPINION!
Isnt thats what Hex wants?
OMG..'

Your just ****ing.

I was stating my opinion.
You were ****ing telling me to shut up.


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Old 12-10-2003, 01:41 AM   #27
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Prove it.

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Old 12-10-2003, 01:43 AM   #28
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I would vote in that poll to stop the abusive admin commands, but I see you have to be a member of the site (which I really have no interest in) to vote...
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Old 12-10-2003, 01:45 AM   #29
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BTW: Rumor:
I used to be a kick whore too.
I could own you silly.
But I play ctf.
with guns.
and sabers.
And I dont need to use kick to win duels.
Un like you.
because I have skillz.
i think you stuck your foot in your mouth round about there.

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*lolz*

Name calling

*lolz*

So childish

*lolz*
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Its my opinion that you (SpecialOlympics) should stop being a ****ing tool and stfu.
you called called me a ****ing tool .....
and SpecialOlympics(?)
LOL

sry, I didnt know you guys didnt want to hear people opinions so baddly.

lol, oh well. You will get over it someday.


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come on now you did say that you could own me. i said prove it lets go.

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Old 12-10-2003, 02:36 AM   #33
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NICE JOB ON COVERING YOUR TRACKS SPECIALOLYMPICS!!!!

but my printscreen finger is faster than your delete.


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Old 12-10-2003, 02:45 AM   #34
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I never thought Kurgan would start partisan threads since he usually is the mediator of problems, hence a neutral character.
Thank you, I usually try to be balanced, but in this case, I felt like I had to take a stand.

Doesn't mean I don't value everyone's opinion or their right to express it. I just know a lot of people on here are against "amlaming" and so I didn't want them to miss out on their chance to be heard.


Kudos to Hex for starting that thread and having the courage to listen to all criticism... constructive or otherwise.


Registering on the =X= forums is painless. I did it, took no time at all. Besides, you can offer suggestions on the mod and discuss it there too!

I didn't really intend for this thread to erupt in a big discussion (should have locked it) but I forgot, so nevermind. Just go to the thread I linked above and vote!

PS: Still, rather than flaming each other, let's do something constructive and vote in that thread okay? No need to flame anybody here.

So put your money where your mouth is and vote YES (to remove Admin Abusive Commands) or NO to keep them in (if that's what you really want).


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Old 12-14-2003, 09:02 PM   #35
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Update: Thank you all for the marvelous turnout!


21 votes against Abusive Admin commands (wanted them removed)

14 votes in favor of Abusive Admin commands (wanted to keep them)

1 vote from somebody who didn't care.


Master Hex has stated several times that the next version of Xmod2 will NOT feature abusive admin commands and in fact he showed me his idle_honor feature that will allow "honor" in games but is NOT prone to abuse and won't make admins into petty tyrants who can humiliate their guests.

Kudos to him and may the other Admin Mod authors (Lash, slider, etc) follow his good example!


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