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Old 04-12-2005, 09:43 PM   #41
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An act of sex can't be a beautiful bond unless there are no contraceptives? The Catholic Church needs to get a grip. No I think the real issue is the whole "Jesus says no tab A in slot B unless we're procreating!" Of course, I don't think Jesus ever said that, but whatever.
Well, I was taught (by my Church) that sex is fine just for bonding between married couples. Sorta like a beautiful act, with the openness of maybe having children. Besides, there is still natural family planning.


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Being that you have a choice whether or not you want to be a part of that faith it doesn't seem to be a dictatorshisp. It is like marrige. If you get married you should probably not cheat on your wife. That is the bond you share. Religious or not. If you join the Catholic faith then it is sorta like a marrige. You have a bond with the Church now and you have to follow those rules. If you don't like it leave. If you hate your wife get divorced.
Get a divorce? Not if your Catholic.

but seriously, it was just a Star Wars quote, no real significance. I thought most people got it.

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Old 04-14-2005, 07:53 PM   #43
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Ahhhh, I remember that quote now. Padme with Anakin in a grassy field, discussing politics.


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Old 04-22-2005, 05:55 AM   #44
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OK, the pope is dead and that's that. How do I feel? Just as sorry as I would feel as if another human being died of old age. We are ALL going to die one day. I don't think he was special. I don't have anything against him and I certainly don't wish anyone's death, although I do disagree with some of his beliefs. Teaching people that using condoms or birth control is wrong, in a time of STDs, HIV and overpopulation is just plain ignorant. Besides, where in the Bible does it say that family planning is a sin? I find some Catholic teachings inconsistent with the Bible. (Which shouldn't surprise anyone as the Bible is sometimes inconsistent with itself.)

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When I pointed that logical errors out, he said I'm blinded by satans lies and possesed by demons and thus can't see the truth... I laughed at him and walked away...
I hate it when Christians (or any other people, religious or not) are so close-minded that they think their subjective moral views are ABSOLUTE TRUTHS and must be forced on others, sometimes even by law.


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Old 04-22-2005, 07:43 PM   #45
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Teaching people that using condoms or birth control is wrong, in a time of STDs, HIV and overpopulation is just plain ignorant. Besides, where in the Bible does it say that family planning is a sin?
You misunderstood me, sir. I said there is still always natural family planning as opposed to condoms. I was being somewhat sarcastic, while truthful, considering the Catholic Church encourages it.

As for the teachings. He's teaching. He had the right to teach his followers whatever they are willing to follow. Any even if they DO try to convince world leaders to chance their views, no matter how shallow that seems, you'd have to understand the beliefs. Catholic Church belief in something so wonderful, and something so horrible. AKA Heaven and Hell. We just don't want people to go to Hell. Now, I know people don't like beliefs forced on them, but I just want people to realize it is done out of good will, rather than want for control over people.

Now before you all get the wrong idea, I'm not forcing anything on you, I'm just trying to explain the Catholic Church from my point of view.


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Old 04-22-2005, 11:35 PM   #46
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I tried "educating" one of my friends on religion because her views are SERIOUSLY mixed up. I think she is some sort of Tao or whatever. Said I didn't know what I was talking about. Let's hope this person isn't like that.




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Old 04-23-2005, 12:20 AM   #47
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What's wrong with Taoism? That's probably my favorite philosophy.


There's no earthly way of knowing which direction we are going. There's no knowing where we're rowing or which way the river's flowing. Is it raining? Is it snowing? Is a hurricane a-blowing? Not a speck of light is showing, so the danger must be growing. Are the fires of hell a-glowing? Is the grisly reaper mowing? Yes, the danger must be growing 'cause the rowers keep on rowing, and they're certainly not showing any signs that they are slowing. AAAGGHHH!!!
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I am not saying their is anything wrong with it. I just think it is rather hippie-ish.




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Old 04-23-2005, 01:42 PM   #49
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Ahhh, what a lovely religious debate. This kind of cool-headed debates is what keeps this forum civilized and friendly.

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Old 04-23-2005, 01:54 PM   #50
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I am not saying their is anything wrong with it. I just think it is rather hippie-ish.
Hippie-ish? O_o... Care to elaborate on that?




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Old 04-23-2005, 02:21 PM   #51
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Uh. How should I put this. I read this thing about Taoism and it said "This being did not wish to be Lord" then it continues saying stuff and then says this "I will call this being Tao." That seems to be sorta hippie-ish. "OK i see this grass I can smoke Ima gonna call it weed."




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Old 04-23-2005, 02:41 PM   #52
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Uh. How should I put this. I read this thing about Taoism and it said "This being did not wish to be Lord" then it continues saying stuff and then says this "I will call this being Tao." That seems to be sorta hippie-ish. "OK i see this grass I can smoke Ima gonna call it weed."
O_o

...I really can't see how you get from calling something unknown and abstract Tao to weed...

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"Entering the Tao" by Hua-Ching Ni
Tao is the potency of the universe. It includes all Gods, all deities, all divine beings, all spirits, and all souls. This means that all things have Tao as their deep root. Anyone who embraces Tao also embraces the potency of the Universe. To embrace Tao is to become Tao, and nothing can be beyond you, nothing can occupy you.




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Old 04-23-2005, 03:32 PM   #53
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You know, Christianity is sorta like that. God is the God of the Universe and everything in it. He is a part of everything and everyone. Like that.


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Yea so we when embrace God we become God.











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Old 04-23-2005, 04:06 PM   #55
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Well, Christianity says were were created in God's image. And God is a part of everything, so really, God is a part of us, and we are a part of God.


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"Entering the Tao" by Hua-Ching Ni
A person of Tao is a person of wholeness. He or she embraces the wholeness of Tao, not an image of God, not one single doctrine of any spiritual path, not life, not death, not anything that occupies the mind. By harmonizing with the Tao you will be aligned with the universal potency.
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You and I are supported by the same universal spiritual energy; the whole thing is God. There is no separate "God" in the realm of integral truth.




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Old 04-24-2005, 11:37 AM   #57
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I'm probably walking on dangerouse territory here, but I just want to go back to this contraception thing.
I think that the Catholic view was logical for it's time and still is now if you look at it in the right way. The Catholic church doesn't allow divorce, or sex before marraige. Therefore, it's logical to state that a person following the Catholic faith would only be with one person, sexually in their entire lives. The whole reason for the HIV and STD epidemic is simply because people have multiple partners. I'm not saying it would go away completely if we all started just sleeping with one person our entire lives, but it would lessen the threat over time. In this way, we can see why the use of contraception is not against the Catholic faith, it just encourages people to have sex with more than one person, which is against the Catholic faith.

I'm a hindu, and I understand this, only because of a deep interest in the Buddist faith which pretty much explains all of that.

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The Catholic church doesn't really allow being divorced, but you can get divorced in the faith. You just need a good reason such as your husband/wife becomes a drugatic.




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Old 04-24-2005, 05:32 PM   #59
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Errm, remember those vows "For better or for worse?" Well, being a drug addict counts as for worse. You gotta get your spouse through these things. A REAL reason would be like, if your spouse was trying to murder you and your children or something.


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Old 04-24-2005, 06:32 PM   #60
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I just think it is rather hippie-ish.
Is their something wrong with hippies?

Please explain this to the man with a John Lennon avatar.


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Theres nothing wrong with hippies. I was just comparing it.




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Old 04-25-2005, 09:38 AM   #62
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I think that the Catholic view was logical for it's time and still is now if you look at it in the right way. The Catholic church doesn't allow divorce, or sex before marraige. Therefore, it's logical to state that a person following the Catholic faith would only be with one person, sexually in their entire lives. The whole reason for the HIV and STD epidemic is simply because people have multiple partners.
I know STDs are a problem, but abstinence until marriage is an extreme solution. I don't want to live like an asexual most of my youth and I actually want to have more than one partner in my lifetime, before becoming commited to one person. (I don't want to get married young.) Overall, the chance of getting an STD is very low. We have condoms which are very effective against many STDs. (Unmarried) couples who remain faithful and check themselves for STDs are at even lower risk.

I don't think the Catholic view on sex is reasonable because I don't follow the Bible. If I disregard it, there is little nothing to convince me otherwise. I believe the Church's view on sex was partially reasonable at best, a long time ago when there was no reliable birth control, but now times have changed.


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sex is only for marriage, between one man and one woman
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NATTY, U R INSANE 4 NOT ACCEPTING MY VIEWS!!1!
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if you use contraceptives, U R KILLING AN INNOCENT BABY
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OMG, I live in a country where prostitution is LEGAL. WHATEVER shall I do???
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I think homosexuality is wrong. Even though private, mutually consenting, adult sexual activity shouldn't concern me, I WILL STOP IT!
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NATTY, U R RUDE N U WILL GO 2 HELL!!1one
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Old 04-25-2005, 09:14 PM   #63
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Overall, the chance of getting an STD is very low.
I forgot what the percentage was, but it was somewhere around 1/2 of everybody gets an STD in their lifetime. Or, somewhere close to that. All I remember is that it was shockingly high.

That's pretty damn good chances.


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I believe the Church's view on sex was partially reasonable at best, a long time ago when there was no reliable birth control, but now times have changed.
  • [1]sex is only for marriage, between one man and one woman
    [2]if you use contraceptives, U R KILLING AN INNOCENT BABY
Well, Max Payne... should I still call you that? The Church's views weren't originally to prevent STDs, they were to maintain the gift of giving your virginity only to the one whom you are destined to live with for the rest of your life.

As for the things I numbered:

1. Yes, that is what the Church teaches.
2. In some cases, like pills, it makes the woman's uterus unsuitable for babies, so if the pill fails to STOP conception, it acts as an early abortion and doesn't let the zygote attach to to uterus wall. Also, the "morning-after pill", the pill you take AFTER the night you had sex, is basically another abortion to kill the baby, I think, not too sure on my "morning-after pill" knowledge. From a Pro-Life point of view, some contraceptives ARE killing babies.


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I know STDs are a problem, but abstinence until marriage is an extreme solution. I don't want to live like an asexual most of my youth and I actually want to have more than one partner in my lifetime, before becoming commited to one person. (I don't want to get married young.) Overall, the chance of getting an STD is very low. We have condoms which are very effective against many STDs. (Unmarried) couples who remain faithful and check themselves for STDs are at even lower risk.
The whole point of my post was to show how logical it was in the Catholic faith.

Yes, the whole "One partner for life" thing won't come about anytime soon in todays society, but back in the days when the catholic faith was established, that was fine for the time. It's basically contraception without actual contraception.

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My mothers side of the family is Indian. Except none of them are Hindu, they are all Catholic. Is that strange?




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Not really Larz. However, it depends on where you live, too. America? Well back in the day, immigrants were coming in from all over. They tried living like "Americans" and probably some familys converted.


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My grandmother(moms side) was born in India so only my aunts and uncles and my mom where born over here. But I thought India was in a way like Italy. Italy= a lot of Catholics I think 95% of the country is Catholic.

India=a lot of Hindus.

My family was Catholic while they lived in India too.




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Then your family is one of the rare few people that were Catholic while living in India. Congratulations.


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Is that a good thing?

What about this. My father and his side of the family(the Swedes) don't seem to beleive in God, but yet he was baptized. Can you answer that question?

Why would he be bapized by people who don't (seem to) go to church?




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That is entirely a matter that you have to discuss with your family. I may be sexily intelligent, but I cannot tell you about your personal life.

Perhaps they're family was of Christian denomination, but they just stopped believing after some generations? Now, it could just be habitual. I would doubt it, but you'd have to ask them.


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India=a lot of Hindus.
Not entirely true, India comprises of many different faiths which all stem from similar beliefs, (like Bhuddism for example) Hinduism is just one of them. Plus, these days many religions fester there, as they do in England or America.

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