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Old 04-26-2005, 09:35 PM   #41
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...just cuz we are alone in our solar system...
Which isn't necessarily a given. It is completely likely that we may be, but our solar system is so unexplored, its impossible to conclusively determine if life does or does not exist here.


Yeah, you'd think the Emperor had come back to life or something.
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Old 04-27-2005, 12:23 AM   #42
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you know, i've been giving this subject a thought or two throughout the day (which is quite odd given that finals are coming up on Friday). at any rate, i've been thinking about a couple of ideas based on God. and before all you atheists start making a big hissy-fit, this is nothing more than conjecture on my part. i just thought it'd be kinda neat to understand exactly what God can do. just try to view this as a form of 'entertainment'.

first and foremost, the concept of the Christain God is based on a being that is all-powerful and does not conform to the concept of time. since God is not bound to time, i find it quite interesting that there could not only be other forms of life created by God for his own amusement, but there could also be entire alternate dimensions that exist.

heck, as far as we know, God could have created the entire Star Wars universe in an alternate reality of some kind. as unlikely as it sounds, it is possible if you assume the Christain teachings to be correct. since God is an all-powerful being, the possiblities are literally endless. that and your not limited to the scope of science, or even human understanding for that matter.

anyways, thats just a bit of my own thought processes for the day. and quite frankly, don't bother debating it with me: its just conjecture on my part, nothing more. i just like entertaining strange possibilities.
I'm an athiest (don't worry I'm not gonna have a hissy-fit) and if a God did he put us here to invent baseball. How do I know? The Torah starts with "In the Beg inning" (aka the Big Inning). Now who votes we live in peace until the CHOC-OPOLYSPE (the end of the World, aka the Reign of Fudge). And if you argue with the Torah tidbit, it was told to me by a Rabi.


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Old 04-27-2005, 04:42 AM   #43
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Thich is good.
Indeed. Thich is good!

And a lil' warning message: don't drag this ET Thread into the dark realms of Religion Debate threads. Trust me, members have been banned. I've heard tales of a ghost member, too.


Soo... if Earth has certain stuff required for life, then there must definitely be that sort of stuff somewhere in the galaxy. Infact, I know quite a few aliens on the forum itself!


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Old 04-27-2005, 06:18 AM   #44
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Indeed. Thich is good!


What the heck are you talking about? I wanted to say 'which is good', and who the heck is this Thich guy? Sorry for the way I asked about Thich (whoever he is).
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Old 04-27-2005, 09:59 AM   #45
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And a lil' warning message: don't drag this ET Thread into the dark realms of Religion Debate threads. Trust me, members have been banned.
'Cause you all know us mods are just waiting to pick you guys off one by one.

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Old 04-27-2005, 11:06 AM   #46
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And a lil' warning message: don't drag this ET Thread into the dark realms of Religion Debate threads. Trust me, members have been banned. I've heard tales of a ghost member, too.

thank you I made this thread for an intellegent debate not a religious one

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Soo... if Earth has certain stuff required for life, then there must definitely be that sort of stuff somewhere in the galaxy. Infact, I know quite a few aliens on the forum itself!
thank you but not all life forms my depend on the stuff earth has cuz it is a vast universe out there and the possiblilities are limitless



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Old 04-27-2005, 07:30 PM   #47
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Aaaahhhh...

Jedigoku, you posted twice, so... Quickly! Erase the post before the modders bann you.


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Old 04-27-2005, 11:39 PM   #48
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I KNEW IT!!! (falls down drugged and is dragged away from computer). Okay sorry for the little religion thing. And we all know that hydrogen is the most common thingy (element i think) in the universe, and hydrogen is part of water, which is needed for life...


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Old 04-28-2005, 12:16 AM   #49
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Uh... hydrogen can exist independant of water, right?

@Vladimir: Just a joke. I thoughtyou might be mentioning something real, so I googled it and found Thich himself.


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Old 04-28-2005, 06:48 PM   #50
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i dont know if there is a life on other planets, but there is no evidence that denies the existance of this life....anyway scince says that if there are certain basic things on some inviroment(those who Vladimir mentioned before) there is no reason to say that life does not exist on this inviroment, and religion tell us that God is all powerful, he can create thousand lifes in other planets...the Holy Qoran said: (for god has created heavens and earth, thus he can create another for he is the knowledgeful creator)....
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Old 04-29-2005, 11:34 PM   #51
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i dont know if there is a life on other planets, but there is no evidence that denies the existance of this life....anyway scince says that if there are certain basic things on some inviroment(those who Vladimir mentioned before) there is no reason to say that life does not exist on this inviroment, and religion tell us that God is all powerful, he can create thousand lifes in other planets...the Holy Qoran said: (for god has created heavens and earth, thus he can create another for he is the knowledgeful creator)....
there is no proof that God exists people believe in him and there is no proof of UFO's but people still believe so what is your point and the fact is that the you have a better chance of winning the lottery every day for a year than there is of there not being life on other planets

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Old 04-30-2005, 12:12 AM   #52
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well, what's wrong with offering differing possibilities??? so far, there really is nothing to suggest that life exists on other planets. even whenever you say that there could be other means, you also outright admit that modern science cannot prove that life exists elsewheres.

when you say that the chances of winning the lottery are smaller than life existing elsewhere in the galaxy, you're really saying that out of ignorance. since there is no logical way of deturmining the odds of life existing elsewhere, you're really saying that your thinking and assumptions revolve around the possibility that life more than likely exists on other worlds than our own.

so, as preposterous as your statement is about the odds of the lottery being lower than the odds of life existing elsewhere, you still choose to berate other religions quite simply because you don't believe in them. no offense, but it sounds to me like your doing the same thing that us religious types are doing: making hypothetical assumptions as to what is possible concerning life existing elsewhere in the galaxy.


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Old 04-30-2005, 12:16 AM   #53
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um no the universe is so big even the most powerful of our telescopes can't see past 2 galaxies and there is more beond that and there is a formula that calculates the odds of life being on other planets i saw it in one of my old math books



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Old 04-30-2005, 12:33 AM   #54
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Then perhaps you can find that old math book and post the formula?


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Old 04-30-2005, 12:35 AM   #55
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and i can guarentee you that the formula used in the textbook is based on hypothesis and conjecture, not even theory. why? because there is nothing within modern science that even suggests that life could exist elsewhere unless there was a planetary system that is almost completely identical to our own. you could attempt to calculate those odds, but at this point in time, there is no logical method to calculate the number of systems that even have orbitting sattelites in the form of planets. without the number of systems with planets, you have to rely on conjecture to calculate the odds. in the end, you have the odds calculated based on several hypothesis, not fact or theory.

as i've stated earlier, a lot of your thinking is based on conjecture, not fact or even theory (which has some scientific basis to support it).


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Then perhaps you can find that old math book and post the formula?
that is impossible it belongs to my highschool and i've since graduated from college



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Old 04-30-2005, 12:42 AM   #57
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and i can guarentee you that the formula used in the textbook is based on hypothesis and conjecture, not even theory. why? because there is nothing within modern science that even suggests that life could exist elsewhere unless there was a planetary system that is almost completely identical to our own. you could attempt to calculate those odds, but at this point in time, there is no logical method to calculate the number of systems that even have orbitting sattelites in the form of planets. without the number of systems with planets, you have to rely on conjecture to calculate the odds.

as i've stated earlier, a lot of your thinking is based on conjecture, not fact or even theory (which has some scientific basis to support it).
to point out nasa has discover at least 3 planets that are capable of supporting life 1 that is 10 light years away and atleast 2 that are over 100 light years away so your statement is false and as an outerspace buff I keep track of all the latest developments in that area. so to say that they don't know of any planets that can support life is completely false and before you ask how they know this each element and mineral gives of a different wave lenght of light that lets scientists determine what element that it is so that is how they know that it can support life



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Old 04-30-2005, 12:47 AM   #58
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finally, some scientifically based theory!!!

of course, if you could provide a couple of links, i would be more than happy to either concure with you or continue to disagree.


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Capable doesn't mean it does.

I can do lots of things. I don't do everything I can.

So do you.


You have to read into it and look for a good interpretation.

Sure, it means life MIGHT be possible on those planets but it hasn't been proven that it is.

Until we encounter some aliens, there's no sure way of knowing this.

Though there is nothing to back up my arguments, I believe that life exists on other planets.


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Old 04-30-2005, 12:50 AM   #60
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of course, if you could provide a couple of links, i would be more than happy to either concure with you or continue to disagree.
A quick search and I found some stuff.

Courtesy of the NASA

http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/...zenworlds.html


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finally, some scientifically based theory!!!

of course, if you could provide a couple of links, i would be more than happy to either concure with you or continue to disagree.
the last news about that was a few years ago so when I find some I will post them



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ok here we go

http://astrobiology.arc.nasa.gov/new...ews.cfm?id=419

http://www.dhushara.com/book/quantco...ts/planets.htm

http://www.msi.umn.edu/~davey/lecture7.htm

http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/new.../38/astrofile/

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None of your links actually say that there's a planet out there capable of supporting life...


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um finding info on a planet discovered 5 years ago is a hard thing to say the least and i monitor there progress very closely so if my word aint good enough for ya find it your self



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Well, you're the one who said that there was a discovery of that nature. The burden of finding proof is on you.

You have to say where you found it or else, well...errr...


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the news is where i found it gez and it was atleast 5 years ago



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Hey, jedigoku...

I found your high-school equation:

Equation

Proof of life supporting planets:

Planets
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Now we're talking

See, that's what people need. A few links and everything is fine.


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there is no proof that God exists people believe in him and there is no proof of UFO's but people still believe so what is your point and the fact is that the you have a better chance of winning the lottery every day for a year than there is of there not being life on other planets

sorry to bring religion back into this cuz I don't believe in religion
Hey?!!!! you don’t have to insult me to show me your thoughts…..I was just trying to clear this subject from a certain point of view, and as we all accepted what you are and what you believe in , then you have to show us some respect too. You might not believe in God but you cant ignore all the people around the world whose believe in his existence, so low your temper down kid and thank your god(or whatever you believe in) that I am a very calm and friendly person because some people would hurt you if you insult their believes in this aggressive words.
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dude that wasn't what i was doing gezz so calm down man all i was saying is that people don't need proof to believe in something I just used an example is all



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dude that wasn't what i was doing gezz so calm down man all i was saying is that people don't need proof to believe in something I just used an example is all
Exatcly.
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dude that wasn't what i was doing gezz so calm down man all i was saying is that people don't need proof to believe in something I just used an example is all
sorry, no hard feelings.
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