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Old 03-24-2005, 05:49 PM   #1
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Who Has Read the Thrawn Trilogy?

The Thrawn Trilogy is the offfical continuation of the Star Wars Saga.

Book One -
Heir to the Empire - Episode 7

Book Two -
Dark Force Rising - Episode 8

Book Three -
The Last Command - Episode 9

What did you like/not like about the books?

For those who haven't read the books, I would recommend them, they are very good.



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Old 03-26-2005, 08:52 AM   #2
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Whoa !

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Firstly, McCusto no need to make multiple posts.... you could have combined your 'points' in one post....

I would say nearly everyone that comes here has read the TTT(The Thrawn Trilogy), but for the benefit of those who havent, I will keep the poll and relevant discussion open

I usually encourage the posting of reviews, but for recently released titles only. Because TTT was released 14 years ago I am replacing your summaries with links to some reviews at TFN. For those interested, there is also excellent info at the official site of course

Secondly, the Thrawn Trilogy, as fun as they are, are NOT, I repeat NOT, the "Official Continuation" of the Trilogy... Please also consider that they are set 9 years after ROTJ..

where would you fit in Truce at Bakura depicts events starting *the day after* the end of ROTJ ??

The Thrawn Trilogy are EU novels, sitting somewhere in the C-level canon. The series did leave us with some highly memorable charactere, like Mara Jade, Thrawn, and Talon Karrde

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Old 03-28-2005, 04:03 AM   #3
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Please also consider that they are set 9 years after ROTJ..
Dont you mean 9 years after ANH? Or 5 years after ROTJ?

I loved TTT. I think it is amongst the best the EU has to offer (behind only HoT and X-Wing 1-4). Also, Zahn is my favorite author.
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Dont you mean 9 years after ANH? Or 5 years after ROTJ?
yes. thats right ! I gotta check my timelines

Zahn will finish his 'septology' later this year when "Outbound Flight" is released. I am trying to read "Labryrinthe of Evil" atm so havent even gotten around to "Surviviors Quest" yet, even though I have it

I value Zahns contribution to EU, but his writing style definitely has its weak points. A great writer of action sequences, but so is Allston and Stackpole... As far characterisations, Zahn is a flop...writers like Stover and Luceno make a mockery of his comic book style characterisations...



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Old 03-28-2005, 05:12 AM   #5
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I value Zahns contribution to EU, but his writing style definitely has its weak points. A great writer of action sequences, but so is Allston and Stackpole... As far characterisations, Zahn is a flop...writers like Stover and Luceno make a mockery of his comic book style characterisations...
Perhaps, but what I primarily enjoy about Zahn's writing, is that he can make a really good plot. Take HoT, for example. The story split so we were following many characters, doing different things in different places; yet it was easy to follow, it all came together nicely in the end, and it was all relevant and meaningful. That is the main reason why VoF is still my favorite book.
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Perhaps, but what I primarily enjoy about Zahn's writing, is that he can make a really good plot. Take HoT, for example. The story split so we were following many characters, doing different things in different places; yet it was easy to follow, it all came together nicely in the end, and it was all relevant and meaningful. That is the main reason why VoF is still my favorite book.
Yeah, in VoTF I definitely got a sense that the EU of old was starting to evolve.... It really did set the scene for what was to follow...namely the NJO If it wasnt for VoTF it is quite possible that SW EU would be stuck in a rut of mad former imperials, dark jedi or superweapon storylines for all eternity

Ive told this before but I'll tell it again . ...
I actually met Tim Zahn and Mike Stackpole. They were here in Australia for a convention, though I saw them at a booksigning Zahn signed my Heir to the Empire comic and Stackpole signed my copy of I, Jedi w00t ! those are both still at my parents place now I think about it ! I mainly spoke to them about what they did for the CCG, though did brownnose that Jade and Corran are the most memorable characters in EU IMO Zahn did say something about getting lost when driving around in Tasmania, but I cant remember it now, twas a while ago

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Old 03-28-2005, 01:59 PM   #7
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It has been years since I read these, but I remember enjoying them. But I suspect that a lot now conflicts with newer continuity since they were written before the prequels...

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It has been years since I read these, but I remember enjoying them. But I suspect that a lot now conflicts with newer continuity since they were written before the prequels...
well IIRC the cloning facility described in TTT(Mt Tantiss??) was never meant to be where the clones of the Republic where produced.... It was a secret area for production of those special type of stormtroopers, their names escape me now

in EU. it is established that Carida is the place where most stormtroopers come from. There still seems to be clones in the system, but alot of the later stormies were 'real' ppl, for want of a better word perhaps ?

Carida of course went the way of the dodo when kyp threw it into the sun

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ah the thrawn trilogy - an elegant series for a more civilized time... before the dark times, before the NJO. :P


they were the first star wars books i read, and they're still among my favourites.
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ah the thrawn trilogy - an elegant series for a more civilized time... before the dark times, before the NJO. :P


they were the first star wars books i read, and they're still among my favourites.
heh....the only memorable part of the Thrawn Trilogy was this (as depicted in the comic adaptation) :



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Old 04-01-2005, 09:00 AM   #11
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I remember buying all three books as a set and reading them back to back one summer vacation.

For me the best thing about TTT (that's what people are calling it these days!) was the novelty of reading a set of "new" Star Wars adventures. It was my (and most people's) introduction to the EU. It was the first "new" adventure since ROTJ.

There were a lot of references to the classic trilogy (people spouting the same lines from the movies, similar situations, etc), which were corny, but cool because they reminded us of how much we liked the OT.

Some of the things were bad, like the stereotyping of the main characters (don't they ever grow and develop?), and some of the plot gimmicks that became overused.

Thrawn, the unbeatable alien "Grand Admiral" that we conveniently never heard of, who's an art critic and military genius, "lady vader," Obi-Wan has to go away "forever," hot chocolate, Wookiee speech impediments, Force Proof furry lizards, mad clones with extra vowels in their names, etc.

Zahn tried to make Leia start out on the road to being a Jedi but subsequent authors pretty much forgot about it.

Some of the cool throw away ideas he came up with then grow into brain bugs in the later books. The renegade upstart generals/admirals, the clones, the lost dark/jedi, Lando's ridiculous money-making schemes, lost super weapons. He also started the proud tradition of casting new characters in the mould of old ones that have to "one up" and/or rescue the helpless OT characters.

It was a fun ride at the time that I read them, but little did I know it was the beginning of the end for my love affair with the EU novels...

At the time the books seemed cool, but I couldn't imagine them as honest-to-goodness Star Wars movies that I'd pay actual money to see.

Not sure how I'd feel about re-reading them after all this time. I'm not sure I'd enjoy them as much simply because of the time displacement and how much has happened since then both in my own life and in the Star Wars franchise itself. A lot of those ideas seemed fresh and original compared to some of what's come since. Oh well, I'm just rambling now.

As an introduction to the EU it's not a bad series, if you go in with few preconceptions.


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Old 04-06-2005, 09:20 AM   #12
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the thrawn trilogy (as well as the hand of thrawn duology) set up Grand Admiral Thrawn as my favourite imperial. One wonders what would have happened during NJO if he was around.

The books have the first intro. between Mara and Luke which is well written and has been used so well to create the Mara character in the EU.

All around one of the better books in the EU.


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As horrible as this may sound, I have yet to read either the Trilogy or the Duology, but by the end of the year, I plan to attempt to get all the Thrawn books, NJO, Jedi Academy, and anything anyone can recommend. Please PM me with more books I need to read.

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As horrible as this may sound, I have yet to read either the Trilogy or the Duology, but by the end of the year, I plan to attempt to get all the Thrawn books, NJO, Jedi Academy, and anything anyone can recommend. Please PM me with more books I need to read.
ah kismet. Thats a Turkish word you know ! (I am Turkish myself, thats how I know )

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Old 04-20-2005, 08:40 AM   #15
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The first "EU" I ever read was Splinter Of The Mind's Eye

In the early 90's when I was re-kindling my faith in Star Wars, I bought and read all three books, based on the advice of a good freind of mine. I loved them. They had the fast pace story telling of any given Star Wars movie, but what works SO well about those books, is the way they make NEW characters appear so strong, like they could have almost been in any of the movies. I have YET to see any EU book capture that feeling again. Seriously, Jorus C'Baoth, Thrawn, Mara, and even Talon Karrde seem as real to me as ANY other Star Wars character. I never read any EU book that captured the pace and feel of those books ever again.
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...In the early 90's...

I never read any EU book that captured the pace and feel of those books ever again.
TTT was fun, and yes , Karrde/Jade/Thrawn are cool characters, but have a re-read and see if you dont have a giggle They are remarkably dated. Star by Star, those who read it will agree, is absolutely epic in many ways.... It makes Zahns double letter clones look ridiculous... OMG ...IT Luuke and Joruus and Aastrooo

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Old 04-29-2005, 05:59 PM   #17
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I still love them. I loved them when I read them one summer when a neighbor lent them to me; he knew I liked reading. And I've been hooked ever since.

But even I, a fairly strong Zahn fan, will admit that TTT in particular is, as Astro put it, very dated. And yet, at the same time, not - because he started this whole thing, and he couldn't possibly have gotten away with doing the kinds of things Luceno and Stover do. They can be as good as they are because Zahn set the stage for it. They have the freedom to play with the characters because Zahn, along with Stackpole, Allston, and Anderson (you want "corny" read HIS novels, esp. the Jedi Academy trilogy!) created a large enough base that the more unusual ideas and stories and character growth is allowed by the fan base.

Of course, the Keraalys and Kuurgan and Aastrotoy thing is pretty silly, and the continuity problems. Gah! *bangs head into wall repeatedly* For a continuity nerd like me, it's quite the headache. I can't imagine what it's like for guys like Nate Butler, who make me look really, really mild in my obsession. Much less Leland Chee and the others who figue out what's official and not. Blech. Not that I blame Zahn for the continuity problems with the Clone Wars; that's Lucas' fault, but the other stuff...

Mind you, his later works, particularly the HoT duology, were very well done. I can't say as I enjoyed Survivor's Quest as much as the HoT, but then, it was a very different kind of story. And, of course, it created continuity problems of its own, something that HoT thankfully avoided, at least in general. HoT remains one of my favorite pieces of SW lit, even after having read the NJO's brilliant works like SbS, Traitor, and TUF.


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Thrawn Trilogy isn't official continuation of anything and you're talking nonsense. George Lucas didn't care about TT at all, and stated that Dark Empire comics are the closest thing to his supposed Episodes VII-IX - hell he even gave free issues of Dark Empire comics to his employees - a thing that never happened before and afterwards!

During writing of TT Zahn didn't receive any advice from GL although later he created a myth that GL participated in TT's
creation. For those who are naive enough to believe in GL's participation: Zahn met GL first in summer of 1992 for just ten minutes and in that time Last Command was almost finished... and production of TT began in 1990!

Despite that GL forbidden exploring Clone Wars Era (as a field for his prequels) Zahn annoyingly enters this field with his own lame ideas like dreadnoughts, outbound flights and even own chronology of the Clone Wars. Fortunately GL today ignored Zahn and our scribbler looks outdated

GL participated in creation of Tales of the Jedi and SOTE but he
didn't give a sh... about crappy TT.

As for argument that without Zahn wouldn't be EU today it is complete bullsh.. after 1983 interest in Star Wars faded and it was WEG that revived that interest in 1987! They created EU with tons of RPG material and exciting adventures and ideas.
They set fundaments for later books series. And in 1990 Lucasfilm appointed several writers to write several books - Timothy Zahn,
Kathy Tyers, Kevin Anderson, Kenneth Flynt (his book wasn't published) and dave Wolverton. Zahn was only a part of greater scheme I would say. It wasn't that his success open way to other writers. Other writers's books were already underway when TT appeared on the bookshelves. So EU wouldn't exist without pionieers from WEG but it could exist quite well without Zahn.

Thrawn Trilogy isn't just epic enough to be considered ep-7-9.
It is certain that GL would use new heroes and new setting
instead of constant rebel-imperial biting in case of making new movies. Besides GL praised Dark Empire as a closest thing to ep7-9 and he knows best not you.

My opinion about Thrawn Trilogy isn't very positive. It is a pompous piece of scribblery that uses very simple language and
presents a gallery of cliched characters. Just perfect for 12+ age
teenagers. But no one will even think to compare it to classical
sci-fi masterpieces like Dune or Saga of Seven Suns. Maybe in early 1990s it was something exciting (it was the only star wars book) but today we have dozens of novels that simply own Zahn.

There is also one thing that makes TT insignificant: lack of jedi business. Zahn doesn't understand the nature of the Force and lay emphasis on technology instead. His cloned Jedi Joruus shows clearly that Zahn's talent in showing the Jedi is poor. Ep7-9 were intented to show Luke as a master and rebirth of the Jedi Order. Dark Empire and Jedi Academy Trilogy show Luke and the beginnings of the New Order and they are just more important to the star wars mythos than some blue admiral and problems of a redhead psycho-chick.


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heh, funny, someone who dislikes Zahn more than I do

Nur Ab Sal, do you have any references about GL and his deference/distribution of Dark Empire ?? where did you read that ??

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I read about it first on Obsidian Forum and second on TheForce.Net Literature Thread. It was mentioned by two different users so I believed in it. Check this here

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I read about it first on Obsidian Forum and second on TheForce.Net Literature Thread. It was mentioned by two different users so I believed in it. Check this here

BTW I'd like to say hi to everyone here! Where are manners ouw...
Indeed sir, Welcome to the EU forums How did you find your way to this murky corner of the galaxy ??

anywayz, have fun and feel free to have a go at the trivia threads

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I was surfing through Lucasforums when discovered your wretched corner . And since I like EU quite...

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Thanx! Never thought that mods can be cool!

I was surfing through Lucasforums when discovered your wretched corner . And since I like EU quite...

I came to Lucasforums becouse I am a giant KOTOR fan and here
is the HQ of KOTOR modding community that made that game even more interesting. I want to start making my own mods in the future.
yes. there are 2 cool mods in existence....I am one of them sivy is also cool, but you wont see him much, except at the spoilers forum or in posts about Batman

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Well of course whether or not Lucas personally likes or visibly supported some piece of EU material has no bearing on its "canonicity" by itself. See the usual Canon fluff piece explaining it all. I'm sure of the stuff he's read he has some favorites, but that's just like your or me having favorites...

I mean I'm sure Lucas loves the character of Jar Jar Binks, and yet many fans hate him. But he's still Canon, regardless.



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While I'll be more than happy to disagree with you...

I extend you a cordial welcome to this lovely forum, home of nerdy book-lovers and comic-book readers in, well, rather small supply.

Mods around here... don't believe what they tell you about being cool. Especially that Astro character. He likes to set new forumaters up, then come smashing down on them with brutal and gleeful demonstrations of his power. Something like a Dark Lord of the Sith.



Seriously, enjoy your stay, and stay away from the JK forums, for fear of losing your garments. Especially avoid Rhett if you go into the Swamp.

Now, back to arguing with you.

Zahn didn't precisely explore the Clone Wars - but the saga and the universe needed to be fleshed out, and he did what he could while respecting those rules. I'll be the first to admit that he has a tendency to do his own thing... but then, he has something of a talent for doing it and for getting away with it.

And, while other books may have been already in the works and the EU admittedly owes much to WEG, it's difficult if not impossible to argue against the effect of the TT in terms of its impact on the public. Certainly The Truce at Bakura, The Courtship of Princess Leia, and other novels were already on their way, but I've never liked any of them so well as the original TT - and it's not just nostalgia, either. He managed to do a very good job of capturing the, as you put it, "cliched characters" that populated the OT. Go rewatch the movies. It's hard to find anyone except perhaps Vader who isn't a cliched character - the evil mastermind, the rogue, the sassy princess, the heroic farmboy, the loyal sidekick of the rogue, the comic relief sidekicks to the hero... need I go on? TTT was what people wanted at that point. Now, people want something more, but for its time TTT was very good... not very good in terms of literature, but in terms of its relation to the universe as it existed then.

Ultimately, it was not the WEG or any of the other RPG materials under other groups that launched the saga: it was the books. The RPG material then was and still is supplemental to the books and/or important to a much smaller group of fans than those who read the novels. Indeed, I only rarely pick up a supplement, though I've read probably 98% of the adult novels, and a number of the comics. The EU wouldn't be what it is today with the WEG RPG, to be sure... but it wouldn't be so lost as it would without TTT. And your comment about "reusing the Imperials over and over" or something to that effect really can't be directed at Zahn. First, Zahn never intended to write Episodes VII-IX, contrary to popular myth. Second, the reusing of the Imperials came out of people trying (usually unsuccesfully) to imitate what Zahn had achieved because of their own lack of creativity. And Zahn may have unintentionally helped start that, but he also helped end it.

I'm curious to see your rebuttal, as I'm sure one will be headed my way...


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I'd just like to say I thought Dark Empire was one of the worst story lines of all the EU stuf I've read. It's been awhile, but wasn't it a bunch of cloned Emperor's and Luke throwing himself to the Dakside and being saved by love? Never read the other parts to see if they imporved it, but I do remember being let down by that series.


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Old 05-10-2005, 02:49 AM   #27
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A bit of topic...
A lot of the older comics seem entirely too radical when u consider the EU in its entirety at present day. However comics require more than just telling another story in the star wars scene, it requires certain elements that are inherent in a lot of the 'superhero' type comics - ie a hero who is uber powerful and a uber powerful enemy. These comics are pretty old, and though it seems farfetched that luke could "bring down an at-at with the force" or that the emperor is suddenly reborn by clones.. comics as a medium require this sort of thing.

Hey you could argue there still doing these sorts of things.. just look at the clone wars cartoon series , windu was carving up the battle droids by the hundreds. But as a cartoon it seemed normal enough.

Personally i disliked that comic as well but i had read a lot of the other EU so my judgement is kinda bias. Its got nothing on the rogue-squadron or republic series.

Back on topic.. (puts on 'I Love Zahn' T-Shirt)

Though TTT wasn't the first EU work, its easy to see that it was the turning point into making the EU. Without some 'pioneers' like Zahn, most storylines would never have deviated from the OT storyline at all, and the entire New Republic era might not have been what it is today. Even other eras only developed properly once the New Republic Era started losing potential.

Secondly we have to consider the context that Zahn's books were written in. If Zahn had started something along the lines of an extra-galactic invasion a la NJO, ppl would be wondering what was happening, why all the loveable SW characters were fighting aliens from another galaxy. Thus it was essential at the time to keep fighting the imps, and even then if the emperor was brought back like in Dark Empire, it would just seem like another Star Wars film novelised. By introducing characters like Thrawn and Mara Jade, the EU could truly develop away from the typical rebellion against vader/palpatine. This lead to other great books, which may or may not be better written than Zahn (matter of opinion) but may have ended up being the same overused idea.

Im still pludging along the NJO, and i read Stover's "Traitor" recently. It was an excellent novel, and well written but the storyline did close to nothing to the NJO overall plot. Even shatterpoint was excellently written but was also a side story. Though these novels are great, they could be not be made without the rest of the EU, since in essence the plot has gone no where. These sorts of books can barely considered fantasy.

It is clear that TTT is no "Dune" (havent read it) but since he was constrained in a universe that was largely undeveloped but didnt give much lee-way as to what he could infer, i think he did a good job. Since Anderson was already scheduled to make his trilogy, obviously the TTT could not go indepth on how Luke recreates the jedi order.

Finally, whenever anyone asks about the EU and that they want to start reading it, the first books i tell them to read is TTT and if they like that then continue with the others.

Rite enuf rambling,

But Im also happy to hear any criticism


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Old 05-10-2005, 08:26 AM   #28
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Every EU novel is a side story to the movies actually. Especially Thrawn Trilogy is about some insignificant campaign that is an offspring of Galactic Civil War - surely less important that return of the Cloned Emperor in DE. So that argument is incorrect. Stover novels are most important EU masterpieces cause they show heroes as beings from flesh and blood and their inner complexity for the first time in star wars literature. Zahn's paper puppets don't have half of Stover's depth (not to mention how primitive is Zahn's language compared to Stover's).

My main intention was to prove that certainly Zahn's production isn't any ep7-9 as guy who started this thread was trying to tell us.

I really hate Zahn and everything he has brought to Star Wars: Pellaeon, arrogant bitch Mara Jade, idiotic Jacen and Jaina, unrealistic genius Thrawn and above all his primitive and pompous language taken from some pulp criminal fiction. The only scribbler I hate more is Michael Stackpole.

My first EU novel was Heir to the Empire and after I read it I swore
to never touch any EU novel again - I couldn't believe that some unknown schmuck could devour Lucas' vision so awfully I started to read EU novels again after I read Tales from the Mos Eisley Cantina in 1999.

SW books are inferior to comics and video games in every aspect becouse Star Wars is mostly visual experience and thus comics and games are ideal to continue what movies started. Books as a medium don't fit into SW well cause they can't show properly all action and alien atmosphere you can see in AOTC or KOTOR and I consider them as an abomination. Writers are mostly unoriginal and I dare to say that guys responsible for comics and games are more creative than Rostoni and her writers, here's my examples:

-90% of books are about 3 movie characters and few supporting EU characters and you can read one and know all of them cause they are just clones of each other.
-only original idea presented in books is Yuuzhang Vong race but I wouldn't consider them something positive to Star Wars. It's like putting Hannibal Lecter to Winnie the Pooh
- on the other hand creators of games and comics are more creative and brave, they don't hesitate to enter new areas and introduce completely new heroes instead of endless chewing same plots and characters like writers do.
-Lucasarts invented complicated Kyle Katarn, together with a great plot, that is one of most interesting characters of the EU (certainly he had more depth than unreliable Mara or Thrawn) and who is ignored by the writers
- this apply to wonderful KOTOR developers who introduced new
conflict with new villain (Malak) and new heroes (Bastila, Atris) set in different times and with great explosive plot. And KOTOR was greater success than all lame books taken together.
-Dark Horse team which introduced completely new Star Wars Era in Tales of the Jedi comics that were very original and added more important lore to SW than all SW books... Great Sith War, Golden Age of the Republic, Ancient Jedi Knights, origins of the Sith, background for Yavin IV in ANH. TOTJ is probably only
part of EU that gives more than takes from the original movies
- also Dark Horse alone developed Prequel Era. While Lucasbooks virtually ignored Prequel times, DH provided background for all movie characters (like Windu or Adi Gallia) that showed their exploits and later with blockbuster Republic series had a decisive voice in creating Clone Wars as a really epic conflict.
- Comic creators also introduced wonderful Quinlan Vos and Aayla Secura that even appeared in the movies (as only EU character)
and their adventures are more popular and better than those in the novels.

It is obvious to me that most original and interesting elements of star wars were introduced in games and comics while in books you can find most stupid, lame and non-starwars crap you can imagine. Quality of books is aften terrible and this even makes things worse for books cause as I said before don't fit into SW well.

I rate star wars books as a weakest element of Expanded Universe. You can find there greatest crap in the entire EU. While Dark Horse comics' are all of great quality.


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Old 05-10-2005, 12:38 PM   #29
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....arrogant bitch Mara Jade, idiotic Jacen and Jaina, unrealistic genius Thrawn and above all his primitive and pompous language taken from some .....
yeah, Mara was arrogant and bitchy in TTT, but she is easily the coolest cookie in EU evar !

Astro + Mara = Babies

I like Jaina and Jacen for some reason... though Jaina was starting to get on my nerves by the end of NJO

Thrawn.....sure, the Emperor didnt like non-humans...but Thrawn was much too valuable an asset to squander out in the unknown regions... really, someone who is so smart, and studies art etc, isnt silly enough to be done in by his own bodyguards.... though we could say similar things about similar characters in our own history

yep, I dont like Zahn and his "milking the OFP for all its worth" niche in the SW universe...but he's cliched 2-dimensional antics were as good start for the modern EU as any. If we were hit with the NJO from day one, many people would have just been totally freaked out..... the complexity and scope of the njo are only something that could have evolved out of a beginning like the TTT

see it as a 'necessary evil', if you must


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i read them all though i dont own it ...it was a good series and yes mara was all bitchy and the end ...dunno if spoilers are ok in this thread or not so ill make it so u can highlite it..***Spoiler***She kills lukes clone...man it was awesome


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You hate how the books focus on the main characters, and aren't visual, and you hate Stackpole. The whole X-Wing series, and his bok I, Jedi were about side characters indtead of the main ones, and he wrote the X-Wing comic series too, which is very visible and one of the best series, by my standards anyways.


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Old 05-11-2005, 09:13 AM   #32
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Yes, Stackpole used new characters, but the problem is, that these characters are IMO more lame than even Zahn cliches.

OK I say we stop this. I don't want to look as a flamestarter and forum arsonist. I'm a newbie here.


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...OK I say we stop this. I don't want to look as a flamestarter and forum arsonist. ...
heh...no biggie.. as long as no one is insulting each other, discussing what we like and dislike about EU are what we are all here for

I still havent gotten around to reading Survivors Quest yet, and Im not sure about how excited I'll be about the Outbound Flight book... However, I definitely am looking forward to Zahns Jade book

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I dunno much about the comics, did not really read those, so no comment.

TTT were fun books, but not any more, I have all of them, and have not read them since I first bought 'em
The great thing about Zahn in my Eyes is he brought the major players into the EU and while they were in sad shape with Zahn, they did great in the hands of other authors, making the whole thing worth it.

To The games thing, they are great fun, but only a RPG could really do as good a job with plots as a book can, sorry but Kyle blasting stormies is not advancing the star wars plot very fast.

Don?t get me wrong, the games are awesome, but they just don't do the same thing as the books do. you know though, to each his own


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i agree with joe about gaming, RPG: kotor games were the bomb. Both of these have done amazing things to that era of the EU. Granted some of the characters in kotor2 were never developed well (damn u LA) but overall they have contributed a lot more than most other games.


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