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Old 07-19-2005, 08:04 AM   #1
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Hi, everyone.I'm a new person on this site. I want to post so I can get familiar with everybody. So did every one who saw the new Star Wars Movie think the ending was shocking? I'm not really a Star Wars fan but I really liked this movie.
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Old 07-19-2005, 08:15 AM   #2
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First of all, Hi Alphanaut64, and welcome to LucasForums. I hope you enjoy you stay with us. If you have any question about the site, feel free to ask me, or any other staff member, any question you want via PM (private messages), and we'll be glad to help you out as best we can.

Now, down to buisness I seriously doubt the movie's ending was a shocker to any Star Wars fan as we've all known for 20 years this was gonna happen. Besides even if you're relatively new to the SW movies, it must have been hard not to guess the ending with all the advertizing surrounding the movie. Anyways, I can only speak for myself so, no, the movie's ending wasn't a surprise at all for me
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Old 07-19-2005, 11:06 AM   #3
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Welcome Alphanaut64! I was not surprised by the ending of the movie since I am an avid SW fan and knew how it had to end, but I was surprised to the degree they took Anakin's injuries. I had no idea he would burst into flames like that. But yeah, I did know that Obi-Wan would cut 3 limbs off because I played the game before I saw the movie.


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Old 07-19-2005, 01:57 PM   #4
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Well actually I've seen Attack of the Clones but the ending wasnt as tragic as Episode 3's ending.
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Haven't you seen the original trilogy ?
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Old 07-19-2005, 02:44 PM   #6
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Well actually I've seen Attack of the Clones but the ending wasnt as tragic as Episode 3's ending.
If you haven't seen the original trilogy but liked episode 3 you should definately watch them, and episode I if you haven't seen it either.


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Old 07-19-2005, 03:18 PM   #7
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They have the original trilogy on DVD right?
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Old 07-19-2005, 03:35 PM   #8
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Yes, they've been out for some time now, you shouldn't have any trouble finding them.
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Old 07-19-2005, 04:37 PM   #9
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ive seen them at suncoast.
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Old 07-20-2005, 12:02 AM   #10
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Re: Knock-out Ending!

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Hi, everyone.I'm a new person on this site. I want to post so I can get familiar with everybody. So did every one who saw the new Star Wars Movie think the ending was shocking? I'm not really a Star Wars fan but I really liked this movie.
I did avoid spoilers as much as possible, but I wasn't really shocked about anything in the ending, except what struck me as stupidity of some of the stuff like the Death Star already partly finished 20 years before ANH), Padme losing the "will to live" (despite her claim "there's still good in him...").

And yes I know there are various fan "explanations" and planned EU explanations of these seeming inconsistencies (and it doesn't bother me that the Falcon and the Tantive IV don't look the same as they do in ANH). And retroactively adding another lie to Obi-Wan's total in ANH with the part about Anakin's lost saber ("Your father wanted you to have this when you were old enough but your Uncle wouldn't allow it").

Everything that happened (not how they happened, just the events themselves) we pretty much "knew" were going to happen from what Lucas had been saying all along and what was simply "left" to happen.

And we didn't necessarily "know" that Padme would die, but everyone just assumed it, along with the common "everyone new in the Prequels must be killed off before ANH" assumption (which is really unfounded, but the lazy storytelling method I guess). I mean Jar Jar didn't die (I figured he just wouldn't be mentioned again, since the fans hated him.. I didn't expect Lucas to kill him off onscreen as so many fans wanted).

HOW was he going to handle Palpatine's aging, how was he going to handle the transition from Republic to Empire. HOW was the Jedi Purge conducted, HOW was Anakin burned (we all thought he would "fall" into a "molten pit" but I guess this is slightly more realistic), and HOW the Jedi "learn the disappearing trick" which could have remained a mystery but one that Lucas promised he would explain as soon as audiences were shocked by Qui Gon's lack of disappearing in TPM.

And yes, other small contradictions were introduced like the apparent ages of Owen & Beru from one trilogy to the next, Leia's memories of her mother vs. Luke's, etc. And I realize there are convoluted fan and upcoming EU explanations surely for those, but still. These struck me while watching the film.

So no I wasn't shocked, just a few things struck me in the theater as "oh well that was a dumb way to do it" and afterward thinking about it more some others cropped up like "oh well George you could have handled that better or just left it out and not caused another contradiction." Loved the film.

The ending would only be shocking I think if you hadn't see the Classic Trilogy. A lot of the "backstory" is spelled out in the movie novelisations, but most of it is simply well known fan lore. But it has basis in what Lucas said previously, so it's not all just BS.

Maybe I was a little surprised how easily the Jedi were killed off by Stormtroopers, but then when Jedi aren't surprised they seem to do ok (Obi-Wan, Yoda, that Padawan played by Lucas's son).

PS: I'm sure the people who thought that Emperor/Chancellor/Senator Palpatine and Darth Sideous weren't the same person would probably be shocked, but then that has to be a minority of fans.


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Old 07-20-2005, 12:32 AM   #11
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Re: Re: Knock-out Ending!

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that Padawan played by Lucas's son).
That was Lucas' son? Interesting. Lucas kills off his own son...


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Old 07-20-2005, 08:37 AM   #12
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Re: Re: Re: Knock-out Ending!

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That was Lucas' son? Interesting. Lucas kills off his own son...
I never looked at it that way. And since the troopers were CG, he killed off his son with CGI!

There's some odd philosophical metaphor hidden in here I'm sure... j/k


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Old 07-20-2005, 08:38 AM   #13
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They have the original trilogy on DVD right?
Yeah, but it's the super special editions (2004) only. Officially. If you want the original originals, you'll have to look for out-of-print VHS or LaserDisk...


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Old 07-21-2005, 07:11 AM   #14
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Yeah, I was too shocked. I mean... Anakin being Darth Vader? Blew my mind...

Just playing... the only thing I found shocking about the ending was the cheesy Vader "Nooooooooooo!"
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Old 07-21-2005, 09:32 AM   #15
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Just playing... the only thing I found shocking about the ending was the cheesy Vader "Nooooooooooo!"
That was the worst part of the movie.


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Old 07-21-2005, 10:19 AM   #16
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That was the worst part of the movie.
To me that was the best part of the movie. It was the only part of the movie that made me laugh, and the only part of the movie to get me thrown out of the cinema in hysterics.
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Old 07-21-2005, 03:12 PM   #17
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That was the worst part of the movie.
Why? Anakin is always saying NOO so how come just because he's in his suit he has to act all calm and cool now?

It was the most emotional part.
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Old 07-21-2005, 03:22 PM   #18
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Why? Anakin is always saying NOO so how come just because he's in his suit he has to act all calm and cool now?

It was the most emotional part.
It just sounded so cheesy.

And I thought the most emotional part was when Obi-Wan is yelling to Anakin as he is lying on the ground with his missing limbs.


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Old 07-22-2005, 09:12 AM   #19
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It just sounded so cheesy.

And I thought the most emotional part was when Obi-Wan is yelling to Anakin as he is lying on the ground with his missing limbs.
Now, whenever I watch the movie, I pretend that Obi Wan is the one who jacked up Padme. It adds a new element to the movie, not only making it more interesting but more emotional throughout by expanding throw-away lines. It even gives him furthur reason to turn to the dark side! For example...

Anakin says something to the effect of, "You're with him! You brought him here to kill me" and it's not just Anakin thinking, 'Oh dear, she doesn't agree with my plans' it's Anakin realising they've been at it the whole time.

Obi Wan asks if it's Anakin's child and Padme refuses to reply, looking away, to which Obi Wan replies, "I'm sorry". It's no longer, 'I'm sorry that it's Anakin's child' instead becoming, 'I'm sorry, I blame myself'.

It's not plausible if you're running by canon but the script and the way the characters are directed adds so much to the movie if you watch it from that angle.

The big, "Noooooooooo" was more lame than emotional, IMO. I was crying after watching it. With laughter.
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Old 07-22-2005, 01:25 PM   #20
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I agree with Boxah the Darth Vader "Noooooooo" was the funniest part in the movie.


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Old 07-28-2005, 06:42 AM   #21
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That was the worst part of the movie.
I dissagree. I think that it was a stupid part of the film, but not the worst - it was too much like Frankenstine.

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Why? Anakin is always saying NOO so how come just because he's in his suit he has to act all calm and cool now?
Because he isnt Anakin anymore. He is a sith. And i'd just like to quote Obi-wan (as well as i remember from memory)

"He seced to be Anakin Skywalker and became Darth Vader." Hence he is effectivly a different person. Vader never "promisses" anyone that he can do everything like he does in the PT, so why should he be a whiny little kid?




Also, I think the worst bit of the film was the little kid in the Temple -

"But master Anakin. There are too many of them - what shall we do?"

Who is that kid? He can't act?!


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Also, I think the worst bit of the film was the little kid in the Temple -

"But master Anakin. There are too many of them - what shall we do?"

Who is that kid? He can't act?!

So what if he cant act, he like seven years old and probebly his mom was the one taking him to the audition. Still, I cryd afterwards.


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Old 08-01-2005, 07:59 AM   #23
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So what if he cant act, he like seven years old and probebly his mom was the one taking him to the audition. Still, I cryd afterwards.
I'm just saying that it's quite funny - or is it just me? (I'm evil at times - i think this is one of those times.)


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Old 08-01-2005, 07:46 PM   #24
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The ending was never surprising. I also wouldn't be surprised if that kid wasn't the son of one of the producers or something. It's kind of like the kids in ATOC. It's 1 second of the movie. And it's still sad. BTW, i'm back.



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Is it true that the Star Wars movies weren't made in chronilogical order?


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Welcome, I strongly recommend you watch the OT. And 4-6 then 1-3.

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Then you'll guess that Star Wars movies weren't really made in chronological order...
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Old 08-05-2005, 12:26 PM   #28
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I wasn't shocked by the ending, but a few things threw me off. You see the Empire already built up and the Death Star being constructed before Luke/Leia are even delivered, if they switched that around then you could of said it was a look into the future, but as it was it just didn't make sence. Vadar yelling "nooooooo" was just hilarious.
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Old 08-05-2005, 12:42 PM   #29
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This scene is just a jump into the future...
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And I thought the most emotional part was when Obi-Wan is yelling to Anakin as he is lying on the ground with his missing limbs.
That was awesome!I almost burst to tears all 4 times i've seen it.


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Old 08-21-2005, 06:17 PM   #31
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no..no..it wasnt shoking,
i knew it on eposide 1,

everying that has a begging has a end...


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Old 11-05-2005, 01:25 PM   #32
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Wow! I never thought I would meet someone who has never seen the Original Star Wars... First, Welcome to the forums. Second, Obi-Wan in Episode IV explains the backstory to Luke's father. Since the original movies have been out for 20 years, no one was shocked about the ending... If you were a Star Wars fan for those 20 years, then there were almost no surprises.

Either way, your question is very welcomed...
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I was not surprised by the ending, since the trailers nearly revealed all of the plot twists in the story, and the other five movies give a good hint at what was going to happen anyway.

I was more interrested in how Anakin became Vader, how the Jedi fell, and how the Empire was formed.
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That was the worst part of the movie.
No-one seemed to mind the "NOOOOOOOOO" in ESB... and with that one you could see his face.



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Old 11-18-2005, 11:31 AM   #35
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No-one seemed to mind the "NOOOOOOOOO" in ESB... and with that one you could see his face.
Yeah, I agree that was worse than Vader's NO. The look on Luke's face is pretty funny looking.

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Old 11-18-2005, 11:53 AM   #36
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Yeah, I agree that was worse than Vader's NO. The look on Luke's face is pretty funny looking.
It can't be true, that impossible!

Anyway, yeah Luke's "NO" in Empire is far worse than any "NO" before or after it.


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I like the NNNNOOOOOOs personally, in all of the movies.

Also, about the Death Star... I know in ANH, Vader says something about seeing what the Death Star's power could really do or something, but was it really just completed so soon prior to ANH? Has anyone ever thought about the fact maybe it had been built even a century before ANH, but they'd just never attempted, or never successfully attempted, blowing up a planet? There's probably like one line in the movie that says it had just been completed that someone will point out to prove me wrong, but if so I don't remember it... then again, I think I do remember somebody saying "The Death Star is nearing completion," but I'm not 100% positive.
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