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Old 11-06-2005, 08:37 PM   #1
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Similarities between the Movies(especially ROTS and ROTJ)

After finally watching the movies, all in a row, I noticed that there was a lot of similarities between 1-4, 2-5, and 3-6. So what similarity do you think is coolest, cleverest, or just plain awesome?

I think that the battle between Dooku and Anakin and its similarity to the battle between vader and luke (in rotj) is awesome.


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Old 11-07-2005, 03:04 AM   #2
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Similarities I've noticed:

Every movie has a lightsaber battle
Every movie has a spacefighter battle
Every movie has a blaster battle
Every movie branches out to two or more fronts eventually
For eg. Obi-Wan at Kamino, Anakin at Naboo or Luke at Dagobah and Han/Chewie/Leia at Bespin

Every movie has a high-speed chase sequence
By the beginning of every movie, the enemies are ready for attacking the good guys


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Old 11-08-2005, 11:56 AM   #3
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The similarities were done on purpose...

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Old 11-08-2005, 01:01 PM   #4
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The similarities were done on purpose...
^ seriously, it's called a "reference".


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Old 11-08-2005, 01:54 PM   #5
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Post just kidding...

Or cliche.

Let's see (prequels vs. Classic Trilogy):

Chewbacca swinging on a vine with the Tarzon yell to attack a massive metal vehicle...

Dooku vs. Anakin while Palpatine watches / Luke vs. Vader while Palpatine watches...

Palpatine & Windu while Anakin looks on / Palpatine & Luke while Vader looks on...

the Ending shot of AOTC / the Ending shot of ESB...

Opening Crawl and pan to a ship or planet in each movie, iris to space credits at the end.

THX-1138 reference, cast & crew cameos, and other "easter egg" in-jokes (shoes, potatos, whatever).

"virtual unknowns" cast as major characters, with veteran actors in a few supporting roles (Peter Cushing/Alec Guinness/Sebastian Shaw?/the guy who played Uncle Owen?; Liam Neeson/Sam Jackson/Christopher Lee/the guy who played Chancellor Valorum).

Diversionary battle to delay the enemy (TPM's Gungan army, ROTJ's Ewok army / Rebels on Hoth).

Lightsaber battle between "Father" and Son (ESB/ROTJ vs. ROTS. remember in AOTC "You're the closest thing I have to a father" spoken by Anakin to Obi-Wan).

Wheezing cyborg (Grievous) / Wheezing cyborg (Vader)

And lots of reversals too, like Boba Fett chasing the heroes / the heroes chasing Jango Fett. Stormtroopers as bad guys, Clonetroopers as good guys. Jedi fighting in war, Jedi talking against war. Rebels as good guys, Rebels as bad guys (Seperatists). Government as good guys (Republic), Government as bad guys (Empire).

And plenty of the usual stock stuff, starship battles, lightsaber battles, campy dialouge, comic relief characters (physical comedy and corny jokes), "I have a bad feeling about this," wisdom spouting characters, cackling villians, blaster fights, ground battles where one side is clearly outmatched, deus ex machina type resolutions, droids, cut off hands, humble characters becoming heroes, wolves in sheep's clothing, star ship/speeder chases, lost lightsabers, etc.


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Old 11-08-2005, 09:57 PM   #6
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yeah i know they are done on purpose of course. some like the throne room duel are just extra clever!


"There are dark places in the galaxy, where few tread. Ancient centers of learning, of knowledge. But I did not walk alone. To be united by hatred is a fragile alliance at best. But my word was not law. There were disagreements, ambition . . . and hunger for power. There are techniquesof the Force against which is no defense. I was cast down, stripped of my power, exiled. I suffered indignities, and fell into darkness."
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Old 11-09-2005, 07:13 AM   #7
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never actually realised how many similarities there were Kurgan. I think most of them worked though
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Old 11-09-2005, 09:23 AM   #8
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Vader & Palpatine looking at the Death Star skeleton / Luke and Leia looking at that swirly celestial thing


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Old 11-09-2005, 09:40 PM   #9
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Or cliche.


Wheezing cyborg (Grievous) / Wheezing cyborg (Vader)
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that was one i didn't notice. do you think it was on purpose?


"There are dark places in the galaxy, where few tread. Ancient centers of learning, of knowledge. But I did not walk alone. To be united by hatred is a fragile alliance at best. But my word was not law. There were disagreements, ambition . . . and hunger for power. There are techniquesof the Force against which is no defense. I was cast down, stripped of my power, exiled. I suffered indignities, and fell into darkness."
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Old 11-10-2005, 03:12 AM   #10
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According to the behind the scenes info I've read the coughing was Lucas, they put it in as a joke and he liked it, so it was kept. Did it remind him of Vader? Perhaps that's why it appealed to him.

In any case, now it's a similarity!

There's similarities between the prequels as well. Notice all the stuff that Anakin does in his ship in ROTS is similar to what he did in TPM (try spinning, that's a good trick! sneaking into the hangar past the shield). He also says "this is where the fun begins" which is Han Solo's line (can't recall if it was ESB or ANH, but one of those).

There's numerous references to Obi-Wans dislike of flying/space travel in AOTC & RotS. C-3PO says he'd forgotten how much he hated space travel in ANH.

Obi-Wan rides a shrieking creature (like the Taun Tauns of ESB), that's essentially a giant lizard (like the Dewbacks in ANH).


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Old 11-10-2005, 11:46 AM   #11
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Taun-taun's a lizard, a snow lizard.

Perhaps what Obi is riding in Sith is a lesser evolved creature that if placed in cold climate could evolve into a taun-taun. :O
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Old 11-10-2005, 02:53 PM   #12
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Hmm, the Taun Taun looks pretty mammilian to me. I know in the early concepts of it it was more reptilian (definately a "snow lizard" there), but I can't tell it's a "lizard" in ESB now...

The thing Obi-Wan rides looks like a large version of an earth lizard with a feathery headdress glued on (straight out of those old B-movies that used similar cheap effects, though they didn't have CG!). The Taun Taun doesn't look like any earth animal (a cross between a mountain goat, a camel and a kangaroo?).


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Old 11-10-2005, 03:22 PM   #13
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Tauntauns are a species of snow lizard found roaming the windswept snow plains of Hoth.
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I've noticed there are types of lizards in a lot of the movies, perhaps Lucas has a soft spot for lizards...


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Old 11-10-2005, 04:44 PM   #14
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I luv tauntauns, they're all named marshmallow to me. but they get slaughtered by my uncle, and I hear their screaming when I wake up. then my dad comes in and says "Hello Clarise" and it scares me, cause my name's Avery. (I made that up)

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ep 3 and 4-WILHELM SCREAM!!
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Old 11-10-2005, 08:31 PM   #15
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I stand corrected then. Had I not read it, I'd never have known it was intended to be a reptile... (Then again Salacious P. Crumb is also supposed to be a lizard-monkey!)

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So you can list that as a "similarity" I suppose, but on a technicality.


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Old 11-17-2005, 06:34 PM   #16
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Not sure if this is a similarity, but every planet in every movie has the same climate, even at the poles.
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Old 11-17-2005, 07:08 PM   #17
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That statement is a little over-exaggerated, you don't actually know that, they haven't travelled to the poles of the planets so you're really just assuming.

What is true is that the planets climates aren't as diverse as Earths, but it's acceptable to have a desert planet or an ice planet, which is what our planet would be like if the average temperature was 10 or 20 degrees higher or lower.
I'm sure that planets like Naboo and Yavin differ in climate in places, Mustafar is like earth billions of years ago.
Some planets just aren't as diverse as ours, perhaps not as evolved as ours, like Mustafar or they are even more evolved than ours like Tatooine or Hoth.

So what you said is a bit exaggerated, not every planet, and probably not the same at the poles, but it's ok for them to be the same climate in most cases.



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Old 11-17-2005, 07:21 PM   #18
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There are definitely threads of similarities runnign through all the films. Like someone said, a "reference". a cliche? I think not. After all this links the SAGA together.

One of the funniest is the long drawn out "NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!" in every film by one of the characters.

Episode I : Obi Wan when Qui-Gon gets run through by Darth Maul
Episode II : Anakin while slaughtering the Sandpeople(Yoda hears it through the Force)
Episode III : When Darth Vader learns he killed Padme, which he did in a way.
Episode IV: Luke when Obi Wan gets sliced in half by Vader.
Episode V: Luke when Vader tells him that he is his father.
Episode VI : When Vader threatens to turn Leia to the darkside and Luke begins his frenzied attack.

One question: Has Lucas always put the numerical sequence 1138 in all the films in reference to his first film THX-1138? I know it's in Episode IV. Luke, disguised as Stormtrooper, tells the Imperial office that he is transferring Chewbacca from Cell Block 1138. Any others?


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Episode I : Obi Wan when Qui-Gon gets run through by Darth Maul
Episode II : Anakin while slaughtering the Sandpeople(Yoda hears it through the Force)
Episode III : When Darth Vader learns he killed Padme, which he did in a way.
Episode IV: Luke when Obi Wan gets sliced in half by Vader.
Episode V: Luke when Vader tells him that he is his father.
Episode VI : When Vader threatens to turn Leia to the darkside and Luke begins his frenzied attack.
Episode I: That one was fine.
Episode II: Don't remember it.
Episode III: Heinous.
Episode IV: Didn't believe it, (He wasn't sliced in half, he became one with the force.)
Episode V: Excruciating
Episode VI: Nothing wrong with it.



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True, though he was killed by Vader. I always say that knowing it's wrong. LOL!


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Old 11-18-2005, 08:19 AM   #21
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Well, They say "I've got a bad feeling about this" in every movie. And every movie also starts with a space sequence. But the best one is that the Clone Trooper who dies in the beginning from cannon fire from the CIS space ship (Where Anakin & crew) is on, screams the same way as Boba Fett when he gets launched into the Sarlacc Pit

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I also noticed some similiarities between the other prequels:
-in all three prequels, someone from Naboo makes a motion in the Senate that will change the galaxy forever(Padme in TPM, Palpatine in AOTC and ROTS.
-in all three prequels, we see Coruscant, Naboo and Tatooine
-in all three prequels, there is a new Sith Lord(Maul in TPM, Tyranus in AOTC, Vader in ROTS)

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I also noticed some similiarities between the other prequels:
-in all three prequels, someone from Naboo makes a motion in the Senate that will change the galaxy forever(Padme in TPM, Palpatine in AOTC and ROTS.
Actually thats:

Padme - I
Jar-Jar - II
Palpatine - III


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Well, They say "I've got a bad feeling about this" in every movie. And every movie also starts with a space sequence. But the best one is that the Clone Trooper who dies in the beginning from cannon fire from the CIS space ship (Where Anakin & crew) is on, screams the same way as Boba Fett when he gets launched into the Sarlacc Pit
I believe that stock scream is called "The Wilhelm."

Another similarity:

"Join me and together we can rule the galaxy as father and son!" (Vader to Luke, ESB) (also followed by "I'll never join you!")

"You must join me Obi-Wan and together we will destroy the Sith!" (Dooku to Obi-Wan, AOTC) (also followed by "I will never join you, Dooku.")

And finally (don't have the exact wording, lacking the DVD), but Anakin's speech to Padme in ROTS about how they could rule the galaxy together, "make things the way we want them to be." etc.

Another famous repeating cliche... FALLING.

Technically the "Noooo!" in ROTJ is actually "Never!" but still, I know what you're saying.

One thing you never see in the prequels, but you see in the OT... starlines (for hyperspace jumps).


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Old 11-18-2005, 12:49 PM   #25
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Episode II : Anakin while slaughtering the Sandpeople(Yoda hears it through the Force)
The one yelling "No" at that part would be Qui-Gon, not Anakin.


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Sounded like Anakin to me, but I guess it wod make more sense that it was Qui-Gon. It was hard to tell.


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The one yelling "No" at that part would be Qui-Gon, not Anakin.
-that doesn't make sense. qui gon is dead at that point, why would he be yelling nooooo?


"There are dark places in the galaxy, where few tread. Ancient centers of learning, of knowledge. But I did not walk alone. To be united by hatred is a fragile alliance at best. But my word was not law. There were disagreements, ambition . . . and hunger for power. There are techniquesof the Force against which is no defense. I was cast down, stripped of my power, exiled. I suffered indignities, and fell into darkness."
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Qui-Gon had become one with the Force, and was immortal, as Yoda explained toward the end of ROTS. So, it's possible it was him.


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The "Anakin... Anakin" part was definately voiced by Liam Neeson, though I hear the "Nooooo!" part was voiced by another actor (hence why it doesn't quite sound like him). It was intended be Qui Gon's spirit saying all of it of course.

Apparently after TPM Liam Neeson didn't want to be part of Episode II or III (don't know if it was personal distaste or he was just too busy), so new scenes with him were never filmed, and the voice lines were just recycled from Episode I.


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If I remember correctly, he was going to appear as a Force ghost in both II and III, but fate was conspiring against him, so they only had his voice in II.

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Old 11-18-2005, 07:07 PM   #31
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Obi-Wan Kenobi, Anakin Skywalker, R2D2 and C-3PO are in every movie. However, Anakin kind of depends on what you consider Anakin Skywalker and what you consider Darth Vader (I personally always consider him Anakin Skywalker, but when he's in Vader's outfit, I also consider him Darth Vader and refer to him as such, which in this case would be in every movie)- if you consider Anakin Skywalker just Vader without his mask on, he's in episodes I, II, III, V, and VI. However, if you consider him as Anakin Skywalker as just him being on the light side, that would be I, II, III, and VI. But to me, if he's the guy who is Anakin in I and still controls the same person (himself) in IV, he's in all the Star Wars movies.
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Old 11-26-2005, 02:21 PM   #32
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Vader and Palpatine looking at DSI skeleton in ROTS/Vader looking at DSII skeleton in ROTJ

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Sorry, when do we see Vader looking at the DS2 skeleton in ROTJ? I don't remember when...

There are several shots of Vader looking out the window (recycled IIRC) in both ROTJ and ESB, but it's a close up of the back of his helmet.

That final shot is more akin to the end of ESB with Luke, Leia and the droids looking out at that nebula as the Falcon flies away (which is also paralleled to the wedding in AOTC).

The medal celebration in ANH parallels with Episode I's parade and ceremony.


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Old 12-01-2005, 04:26 PM   #34
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Technically the "Noooo!" in ROTJ is actually "Never!" but still, I know what you're saying.
Hmm. Sounded like a simple "arrghh" to me. I must not be listening carefully enough. Maybe if Luke's saber wasn't so obnoxious sound-wise, I could hear the line better.

Besides RotS, the other movies follow a very rough mold, it seems to me anyway. They all contain a few basic elements, thought often in different orders:

Some kind of attack that screws over at least one main good guy character.
A space battle.
A rescue.
A lightsaber fight. Surviving good guy(s) get wounded, either mentally or physically.




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Trust me (or turn on the subtitles), it's there.

Speaking of saber sounds, I agree, that ROTJ's are hardcore. Since it was the SW movie I saw first and the one I saw most often, I've always assumed that's how sabers are "supposed" to sound like. They sound powerful! Now compare that to ROTS. Unless you really boost the base, they don't sound nearly as cool (it's like the people are just lightly swinging them at each other). Especially compare when they clash...


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Obi-Wan Kenobi, Anakin Skywalker, R2D2 and C-3PO are in every movie. However, Anakin kind of depends on what you consider Anakin Skywalker and what you consider Darth Vader (I personally always consider him Anakin Skywalker, but when he's in Vader's outfit, I also consider him Darth Vader and refer to him as such, which in this case would be in every movie)- if you consider Anakin Skywalker just Vader without his mask on, he's in episodes I, II, III, V, and VI. However, if you consider him as Anakin Skywalker as just him being on the light side, that would be I, II, III, and VI. But to me, if he's the guy who is Anakin in I and still controls the same person (himself) in IV, he's in all the Star Wars movies.
It's kind of nitpicking really. I mean what do you consider to be Obi-Wan? His physical body dies in Episode IV after all. Likewise Threepio's mind is wiped in Episode III, so one might as well argue he's a "different person" in IV-VI than in I-III. Also Anakin, the good man "returns" even when he's inside the suit.

Plus he's Darth Vader before he gets inside it. If you want to get all philosophical, you could say that "Darth Vader" appears in III-VI, and Anakin appears in I-III and VI. But I think it's still more proper to say that Anakin himself is in all the movies, even if he turns evil for awhile.


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The Simularities are one, ROTJ was orinigially going to be call Revenge of the Jedi, but a Jedi cannot seek revenge(well much anyways). as well they both involve major jedi/sith battles.



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