lfnetwork.com mark read register faq members calendar

Thread: Should there be another tutorial planet in KOTOR 3?
Thread Tools Display Modes
Post a new thread. Add a reply to this thread. Indicate all threads in this forum as read. Subscribe to this forum. RSS feed: this forum RSS feed: all forums
Old 06-04-2006, 11:14 AM   #1
Chowganhime
Rookie
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 13
Post Should there be another tutorial planet in KOTOR 3?

Hey, if this is a repost I'm sorry.

In both of the Kotor games I was kinda disapointed in how you had to participate in a two hour long "tutorial" like planet (Taris, and Peragus). I always like to go back and replay each game, but I hate having to go through both of those. I'm not suggesting that you can do everything at the beginning of the game, but something different. I was wondering what any of your thoughts were on this.
Chowganhime is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 06-04-2006, 11:31 AM   #2
Ztalker
Saving the world casually
 
Ztalker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Normandy SR-2
Posts: 2,780
Forum Veteran 
Tutorials...everyone hates them...

But you can't expect that people who haven't touched an RPG before can understand and play Kotor 3 without a tutorial. It's simply a matter of gameplay. Tutorials are there to help people. If K3 doesn't have a turotial, i;m sure there will be several people that won't but it......excluding the people on this forums o'course

Ztalker is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 06-04-2006, 12:17 PM   #3
Diego Varen
Left and may not return
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 4,850
Contest winner - Fan Fiction 
Shouldn't there be a Poll for this?

Instead of having a Tutorial Planet, maybe you could have a small Tutorial Level in a small Ship for example. Good examples to use would be the Endar Spire and the Ebon Hawk type. They could explain the controls, etc there. If you don't need to play it, there should be a Skip Tutorial console thing.
Diego Varen is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 06-04-2006, 12:37 PM   #4
The Doctor
Retired
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 4,414
Current Game: Skyrim
Forum Veteran 
Taris and Peragus are needed to start off the story. They aren't 'tutorials'. The tutorials are the Endar Spire and the Ebon Hawk levels. Taris and Peragus are slow because the story is yet to really get started yet. There has to be a slow point in the beginning. It's unavoidable.
The Doctor is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 06-04-2006, 12:51 PM   #5
mattwild
Rookie
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 80
If there is one, I'd hope it is more like Taris than Peragus. Peragus really was horrendously boring for me, but the rest of the game was excellent.


mattwild is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 06-04-2006, 01:24 PM   #6
The Source
Rest In Peace
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 2,304
Contest winner - Modding 
If you are talking about the prologue, I think it will help new commers. I liked the fact that you can skip the prologue, so I have not problem with it.



R.I.P. to 'The Source' and 'MacCorp'
2004-2008
The Source is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 06-04-2006, 02:56 PM   #7
Hallucination
Baron von Sexy
 
Hallucination's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 3,875
Current Game: HKO closed beta
Yes, there should be one, but they should make the dull parts easy to skip for the people who have played the first two (like 'Press the A button to select a dialogue option' and the like) and make it a little more fun.


Let's kill ourselves.
Hallucination is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 06-04-2006, 03:00 PM   #8
Jae Onasi
Antiquis temporibus, nati tibi similes in rupibus ventosissimis exponebantur ad necem
 
Jae Onasi's Avatar
 
Status: Super Moderator
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 10,912
Current Game: Guild Wars 2, VtMB, TOR
Alderaan News Holopics contributor Helpful! LucasCast staff Veteran Fan Fic Author 
I hadn't played video/PC games in a long time when we got Kotor, and, well, let's just say that the field has matured substantially since my Atari days. I definitely needed a tutorial. I liked how in TSL you could skip the prologue. I think K3 should have a tutorial level for someone who might be starting the series without having played the first 2, but I'd like it to be skippable like in TSL.
Taris was more interesting for me than Peragus because we got a lot more party/NPC interactions. I got very tired of the mining droids very quickly and the unrelenting 'everyone is dead' feeling on both the planet and the Harbinger.


From MST3K's spoof of "Hercules Unchained"--heard as Roman medic soldiers carry off an unconscious Greek Hercules on a 1950's Army green canvas stretcher: "Hi, we're IX-I-I. Did somebody dial IX-I-I?"

Read The Adventures of Jolee Bindo and see the amazing Peep Surgery
Story WIP: The Dragonfighters
My blog: Confessions of a Geeky Mom--Latest post: Security Alerts!
Love Star Trek AND gaming? Check out Lotus Fleet.

Jae Onasi is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 06-04-2006, 04:24 PM   #9
darth_yoda2828
Rookie
 
darth_yoda2828's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 36
A tutorial is absolutely essential. Whether someone is a newcomer, or whether they just haven't played a KOTOR game in awhile, tutorials NEED to be there. Make the option to skip it, sure. But don't cut it out entirely.


*ATTENTION* IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT

HK-47 pwns on your face. That is all.
darth_yoda2828 is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 06-04-2006, 04:40 PM   #10
Raven_Onasi
Rookie
 
Raven_Onasi's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: some where in the galaxy
Posts: 201
Quote:
Originally Posted by mattwild
If there is one, I'd hope it is more like Taris than Peragus. Peragus really was horrendously boring for me, but the rest of the game was excellent.


I know, I thought Peragus was SOOOOOOO boring. I liked Taris a lot better.

I think that the tutorials are needed, because they give the game an opening.


Life is pain, highness, anyone who says differently is selling something. ~ Cary Elwes (The Princess Bride)

Pain is really the only reliable means by which truth may be obtained. Or so I choose to believe. ~HK-47

I'm not a warrior, I'm a soldier. There's a difference. Warriors attack and conquer, they prey on the weak. Soldiers defend and protect the innocent – usually from warriors. ~ Carth
Raven_Onasi is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 06-06-2006, 01:30 AM   #11
JawaJoey
Forumite
 
JawaJoey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: My home...duh
Posts: 500
The Endar Spire and the Ebon Hawk were tutorials. THey were necessary, and they were short. In KOTOR II, you were given the convenient option of skipping it.

Taris was not a tutorial, it nor was Peragus. They were the beginning. Peragus was just really boring.

Tutorials are fine, and it's frankly awesome that they made it optional in KOTOR II.

I say keep with it. There has to be, and is going to be, a tutorial in the next game. And now that they've set the standard, it only makes sense for it to be optional again.


God is a placebo with nasty side effects.
JawaJoey is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 06-06-2006, 02:05 AM   #12
milo
[]D [] []V[] []D [] []\[]
 
milo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Chora's Den.
Posts: 2,039
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chowganhime
Hey, if this is a repost I'm sorry.
hehe, kind of sounds like "riposte"
Quote:
Originally Posted by MacLeodCorp
If you are talking about the prologue, I think it will help new commers. I liked the fact that you can skip the prologue, so I have not problem with it.
Agreed. Keep the prologue, but with an option to skip through it. That way you're not sitting there going through basic stuff you already know.


"I'm not even angry. I'm being so sincere right now,
Even though you broke my heart and killed me.
And tore me to pieces...
And threw every piece into a fire.
As I burned, it hurt because
I was so happy for you." - GLaDOS
milo is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 06-06-2006, 08:32 AM   #13
reven0123
Rookie
 
reven0123's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Bolton England
Posts: 180
yeah i think you should have a tutorial planet but if youre going to jump into the kotor seris at the 3rd game i think you should go back and play the first 2 as i think that would also help wonders.
reven0123 is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 06-06-2006, 08:49 AM   #14
Cygnus Q'ol
Savior of Albion
 
Cygnus Q'ol's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Bowerstone Market
Posts: 1,263
Current Game: liberty city stories
Skippable tutorials are an absolute must for those of us who play games over, and over, and over...

But, they should be there for those who've just picked up the game.


.

The Starbuck's in Bowerstone has Percolated Java Macchiatos.
Cygnus Q'ol is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 06-06-2006, 09:40 AM   #15
reven0123
Rookie
 
reven0123's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Bolton England
Posts: 180
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cygnus Q'ol
Skippable tutorials are an absolute must for those of us who play games over, and over, and over...

But, they should be there for those who've just picked up the game.
i agree with all of what you just said.
reven0123 is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 06-06-2006, 11:27 AM   #16
Prime
Am I a truck or robot?
 
Prime's Avatar
 
Status: Super Moderator
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Cybertron
Posts: 12,345
Current Game: Skyrim, Macross PS2
10 year veteran! LF Jester Veteran Modder Helpful! 
Tutorials are necessary. Preferably they are skippable, but they are usually so short I don't see them as an issue

Prime is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 06-06-2006, 11:52 AM   #17
KyleOfHarpenden
Rookie
 
KyleOfHarpenden's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 179
i think it should be optional but i'd rather do it like fable start of young then get older and not such a LONGGGGGG drag at the begining i h8 parages and i've got the worst habbit 2 only have 1 save game at a time so i have 2 redo the game every time graaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
KyleOfHarpenden is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 06-06-2006, 01:40 PM   #18
Darth333
Administraterror
 
Darth333's Avatar
 
Status: Administrator
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: In my secret dungeon...
Posts: 8,292
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chowganhime
Hey, if this is a repost I'm sorry.

In both of the Kotor games I was kinda disapointed in how you had to participate in a two hour long "tutorial" like planet (Taris, and Peragus). I always like to go back and replay each game, but I hate having to go through both of those. I'm not suggesting that you can do everything at the beginning of the game, but something different. I was wondering what any of your thoughts were on this.
The KotOR 1 tutorial was the Endar Spire. It was prety short. Taris was not part of the tutorial (and it was my favorite planet: it was the most extended and least linear planet with lots of things to do, the quests were varied and there was a good balance between combat and non combat situations.)

In kotor2, the tutorial was the Ebon Hawk, not Peragus. Peragus was well done in terms of storyline (it was the most polished part in Kotor 2 IMHO) but I felt a bit lonely (basically no npc interaction) and it was too linear for me. I dislike to constantly being put in control of chars I don't chose: I feel that this is more appropriate to FPS than RPGs.


But to answer the question about tutorials, I agree with everyone saying that it is a necessity. When LA releases a game, they certainly want to appeal to the fan base but they also want new customers.
Darth333 is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 06-06-2006, 08:13 PM   #19
Arátoeldar
Flame Imperishable
 
Arátoeldar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Karningul
Posts: 1,574
^ Well stated Darth333.


Not all those who wander are lost.-J.R.R. Tolkien

I believe in Christianity as I believe the sun has risen, not only because I see it but by it I see everything else - C.S. Lewis
Arátoeldar is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 06-07-2006, 05:29 AM   #20
igyman
Tension!
 
igyman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: White City
Posts: 3,408
Current Game: Trine Enchanted Edition (PC)
Forum Veteran Helpful! Contest winner - Fan Fiction 
There should be a sort of quick tutorial, something like the one from K1. It should be more detailed only if there are changes in the gameplay.

igyman is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 06-07-2006, 10:44 AM   #21
Lord_Andre
Rookie
 
Lord_Andre's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 26
Cool Guy

There should be a tutorila planet in Kotor3,but if it is going to be a long one then they should make it a more exciting tutorial,not a long and boring tutorial.


All that is yours is rightfully mine and mine it will be.
Lord_Andre is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 06-10-2006, 01:24 AM   #22
Mister Chief
Rookie
 
Mister Chief's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 104
I hope there is a tutorial in K3. If not, it means that there probably aren't many new features, which would bite. A Skippable tutorial explaining new stuff is not optional.
Mister Chief is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 06-10-2006, 02:23 AM   #23
Inyri
The Magical Malefactor
 
Inyri's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Chicago
Posts: 2,505
Current Game: Mass Effect 3
Veteran Modder Forum Veteran Helpful! Contest winner - Fan Fiction 
Believe or not, there will always be silly people out there who will see KotOR 3 and pick it up and play it without bothering to look for 1 or 2 first, so a tutorially planet or small section will always be necessary.

Since KotOR1 was the first of the series, it made sense that they did not make it skippable. Along those lines, because KotOR2 was the second in the series it makes sense that they'd allow more seasoned players to skip it. I would imagine it would be much the same in KotOR3.

Besides, I always kind of like to play through the tutorial sections once, even though I know it'll be a bunch of information I don't need to hear again. Tutorial or no, it's still part of the story .

Inyri is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 06-10-2006, 09:22 AM   #24
Henz
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 362
Quote:
Originally Posted by InyriForge
Believe or not, there will always be silly people out there who will see KotOR 3 and pick it up and play it without bothering to look for 1 or 2 first, so a tutorially planet or small section will always be necessary.
Yes. Especially as KIII would almost definately be on a new platform as well.

Quote:
Originally Posted by InyriForge
Since KotOR1 was the first of the series, it made sense that they did not make it skippable. Along those lines, because KotOR2 was the second in the series it makes sense that they'd allow more seasoned players to skip it. I would imagine it would be much the same in KotOR3.
Agreed.

Quote:
Originally Posted by InyriForge
Besides, I always kind of like to play through the tutorial sections once, even though I know it'll be a bunch of information I don't need to hear again. Tutorial or no, it's still part of the story .
Yes I think even the most experienced players will do the tutorial the first time through to get the little story and ease themselves back into the game style.
Henz is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Post a new thread. Add a reply to this thread. Indicate all threads in this forum as read. Subscribe to this forum. RSS feed: this forum RSS feed: all forums
Go Back   LucasForums > Network > Knights of the Old Republic > Game Discussion > The Unknown Regions > Should there be another tutorial planet in KOTOR 3?

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:59 PM.

LFNetwork, LLC ©2002-2011 - All rights reserved.
Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.