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Old 05-16-2006, 06:36 PM   #1
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The science behind Psychonauts

Censor: the censor that occurs in our subconscious acts as a filter to keep objectionable material from reaching our conscious minds while in the dream state. Latent dream thoughts must undergo condensation (compression to avoid the lengthy comprehension of the dream thoughts when our minds could be used in better ways) and displacement. So the censorship process occurs when dream thoughts are too literal and frank to be exposed in a dream.

So maybe the censors interpret Raz as a lengthy, unfiltered thought (seeing as how he's so detailed and could shed a light on the conditions of the mind) and so he needs to be stamped out.

Collective Unconscious: another term Freud used to describe the foundation of everyone's psyche, the basis which is the same. This metaphorically links us all together, which of course was turned literal for the game.

Yes, I am reading too much into this.
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Old 05-16-2006, 08:31 PM   #2
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They're were many mental "things" (for lack of better words) explored in the game. This ranged from extremely scientific to the literal sense.

An easy one to get at would be that the mind is a door waiting to be opened.

A harder one would be the example you gave as the collective unconscious.

And still others are purely analytical. Case in point would be Boyd's widely disscussed Milkman level. Sure, we know a few facts that his condition is caused by paranoia and he relates his fear to milk. However, we can interpret why he chose milk to be used as a channel for his aggression and why the milkman was so important to him.

So no, I don't think you're reading too much into it. We had a lot of disccussions like this before.
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Old 05-16-2006, 09:15 PM   #3
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Milkman... milkman... I think he was just a joke. Naturally Boyd would assume someone is out to get him after losing his job so Schafer said "how about he blames... uh... the dairy industry!" and DF was all like "lol, k."


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Milkman... milkman... I think he was just a joke. Naturally Boyd would assume someone is out to get him after losing his job so Schafer said "how about he blames... uh... the dairy industry!" and DF was all like "lol, k."
I think part of it was that, but there was always a seedy undertone to it. Perhaps I see it simply because I want to see it but its good old nerdy fun all the same.
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Old 05-16-2006, 10:17 PM   #5
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You peeps. Boyd didn't really use milk to blow up his department store. He used Molotof cocktails in milk bottles, maybe milk bottles were all he could find. Then, yada yada yada Boyd's at the crazy house. Oleander gives Boyd milka and cookies to rekindle why Boyd went nuts, cows......

Also, the government was involved. And knitting den mothers to girl scouts that G-Men play with at the park.

Psychonauts is very Fraud-ish. Sasha himself is Sigmund Fraud(In my mind)!! AH HA!!! They basically created Sasha as the psychological interpriter of the collective unconscience and all this other psychological mumbo jumbo!! But....why didn't sasha have a beard. I'll have to ponder on that one.
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Old 05-17-2006, 07:38 AM   #6
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Freud. It's Freud-ish.


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Old 05-28-2006, 11:44 AM   #7
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technically it would be either Freud-like, or possibly Freudian?



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Old 05-28-2006, 11:17 PM   #8
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Freud. It's Freud-ish.
Damn, I got vocabu-pwned.

Still, that game definitly makes you ponder about becoming a psychologist.
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Old 05-29-2006, 05:22 PM   #9
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Interestingly, I found massive psychological parallel in the theatre psyche. It seems as though the three main characters represent the deepest, most basic part of one's psyche: Parent, Adult, and Child. Jasper the Critic represented Gloria's harsh inner critic/parent, and ceaselessly controlled the actions of Bonita, the actress/child.

It was postulated by esteemed Psychologist Thomas A. Harris in his bestselling book that every human alive has three different personalities within them; a parent, an adult, and a child. The Child was the first to develop in a person, around age 0-5, and represented that person's joy, excitement, and love, as well as their deepest hatred, fear, and remorse. The child was that person's behavior from their earliest stage, and is oft referenced in advertising, hence the saying "fun for the kid in you".

The Parent, next to develop, is the force which tells someone what is and isn't acceptable. It is primarily recorded from about 5-7 (around the time that Gloria was in acting school, demonstrating that she developed it from Hagatha), and in most people, acts as the controlling force, telling the child when and when not to come out.
In the majority of people, 1 of 2 scenarios occur:

A. The child contaminates the parent, and tells the person that whatever they want is okay.

B.The parent contaminates the child, and it is "never play time" (Jasper).

Finally, the Adult is the last to develop, at age 7-10. The Adult is the rationalizing factor in the Im Ok You're Ok triad, and, in an OK person, acts as the resolve between the parent and child (Becky). However, more often than not, the adult is either frazzled (In Becky's case) or completely incommunicado.

To Summarize, Bonita (the child) developed both intense happiness and intense sadness at an early age, but still manages to let her OK child control her with positive feelings whilst acting, until "Gloria's Mother hit the stage... Kersplat!" thus devastating her falsely contented child, opening her eyes as to the true nature of her life, ushering in a masssive theatre critic (which constanly tries to control and otherwise manipulate the "child"), and nearly eliminating Becky, the inner Adult and the only person who can intermediate between the two hostile parties.

Thus, Gloria, constantly switching between her comic and tragic lifestyles, by day a thespian, by night a psycho (unless under the light), and never given a chance for her inner child to shine.

Raz acts as a sort of Secondary Adult, aiding the Primary Adult, and serving as a peacemaker by eliminating the Parent, and freeing the child, leaving only Becky, the Adult, and making Gloria sane again.

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Old 05-30-2006, 05:45 AM   #10
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I'm not really the scientific type, but I have some interesting theories and scientific things of interest to do with character personalities and such. I might share a couple more of them if asked, but I've found something interesting about something that could have happened with Sasha. You know how he ran away from home as a kid after seeing his father's memories? Well, I found some interesting stuff about child psychology and personality thingummyjigs. Sasha's irrational running away could be due to a character trait of middle children. There is no real evidence of Sasha being a middle child, but this theory could support well why he ran away if he was. Middle children generally feel disjointed from the family, and can't wait to get away from home. If Sasha was having a miserable time in his life already, then it would have made sense that that trait kicked in properly when he saw those memories. Sasha would have been compelled deeply to leave home, and hence there is a feasable explanation for his quick departure. Anyone want to hear more character trait ideas or anything else, I have some good ideas of reasons for things in Psychonauts happening. Thanks for listening, Pyro.
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Old 06-02-2006, 01:06 AM   #11
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Faufulfury, that's some great psychoanalyzing! If you want to psychoanalyze the other 9 levels, I'd love to listen in.
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Old 06-02-2006, 06:31 AM   #12
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More more more Psychochao!


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With that, pyrohappygirl becomes about 100 times better than Darth_Ave, who is about 100 times better than Shakespeare. So you're like 100,000 times better than Shakespeare, but only a mere 100 times better than me.
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Old 06-02-2006, 11:02 AM   #13
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Question Ummm...wait a minute...

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I'm not really the scientific type, but I have some interesting theories and scientific things of interest to do with character personalities and such. I might share a couple more of them if asked, but I've found something interesting about something that could have happened with Sasha. You know how he ran away from home as a kid after seeing his father's memories? Well, I found some interesting stuff about child psychology and personality thingummyjigs. Sasha's irrational running away could be due to a character trait of middle children. There is no real evidence of Sasha being a middle child, but this theory could support well why he ran away if he was. Middle children generally feel disjointed from the family, and can't wait to get away from home. If Sasha was having a miserable time in his life already, then it would have made sense that that trait kicked in properly when he saw those memories. Sasha would have been compelled deeply to leave home, and hence there is a feasable explanation for his quick departure. Anyone want to hear more character trait ideas or anything else, I have some good ideas of reasons for things in Psychonauts happening. Thanks for listening, Pyro.
Ummm...but Sasha's mother died when he was an infant. How could she have had any other children after him? From the "Sasha's Second Sight" memory vault, it would appear that he's an only child. Sorry to disprove your theory.


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Old 06-02-2006, 01:26 PM   #14
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Sasha could have an older brother. Take it he lived in a country where many children don't live past infancy. Maybe that's why Sasha's skin it tinted green. Some kind of German illness or whatever country he's from infected him as a baby and left him with tinted skin and the need to constantly wear sunglasses. Also, how do you think his mother died? AIDS? I think not.
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Old 06-06-2006, 03:06 AM   #15
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Chicken pox? In Germany it could be deadly?


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With that, pyrohappygirl becomes about 100 times better than Darth_Ave, who is about 100 times better than Shakespeare. So you're like 100,000 times better than Shakespeare, but only a mere 100 times better than me.
Hear that? I'm BETTER THAN SHAKESPEARE!

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Old 06-07-2006, 06:11 AM   #16
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People can be green in Psychonauts just like the sky.
I think having to deal with a dying mother at a very early age and also discovering psychic powers would make young sasha freaked-out enough to leave.
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Old 06-08-2006, 01:24 AM   #17
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Yeah... But hey, just thinking, I read this fan fiction that suggested that Milla's psychic powers had been unlocked by her events at the orphanage, so could it be the same for Sasha?


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With that, pyrohappygirl becomes about 100 times better than Darth_Ave, who is about 100 times better than Shakespeare. So you're like 100,000 times better than Shakespeare, but only a mere 100 times better than me.
Hear that? I'm BETTER THAN SHAKESPEARE!

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They wern't triggered by a freaky event. if somthing were to trigger then, it probably would have been
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seeing his dad's thoughts of his mom
but he used his psychic powers for that.
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Old 06-09-2006, 01:49 AM   #19
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I mean his mother dying. He could have got powers then.


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With that, pyrohappygirl becomes about 100 times better than Darth_Ave, who is about 100 times better than Shakespeare. So you're like 100,000 times better than Shakespeare, but only a mere 100 times better than me.
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I mean his mother dying. He could have got powers then.
Uhh...he was a baby. Do you really think he got his powers during infancy?
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Old 06-09-2006, 02:38 AM   #21
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That'd be awesome. PSYCHIC BABY ATTACK.
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Old 06-09-2006, 03:30 AM   #22
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Sasha: I'm a pyro baby with a cigar. Deal with it dad.
Sasha's dad: ...
That would rock.


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With that, pyrohappygirl becomes about 100 times better than Darth_Ave, who is about 100 times better than Shakespeare. So you're like 100,000 times better than Shakespeare, but only a mere 100 times better than me.
Hear that? I'm BETTER THAN SHAKESPEARE!

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Old 06-10-2006, 08:53 PM   #23
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yes the brilliance behind it is one of my favorite parts of the game! I can't think of any that weren't already stated/blaringly obvious but yeah.

And I think Sasha's powers might have developed during childhood when he started to learn the meaning of death... Sorry no floating babies as far as I can figure! :-P Tho that would be freaking adorable...
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Old 06-11-2006, 12:25 AM   #24
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Psychic powers are like the force. Traumatic event = unlock.
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Actually the force is caused by midichlorians, so a simple blood test = unlock.


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Old 06-11-2006, 02:35 AM   #26
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Midichlorians? Lol, sif.

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Old 06-11-2006, 10:43 AM   #27
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That'd be awesome. PSYCHIC BABY ATTACK.
You know, I've long entertained the notion of Raz first descovering his psychic powers as an infant, too. His parents try to wean him from his pacifier, he uses TK to open the dresser drawer, take out the pacifier, and start sucking away. He's stuck in his playpen with nothing to do, so he sets a table on fire. Thus, his father decides to start training him as an acrobat not long after he starts walking, in order to distract him from using his developing powers. That's what I think, anyway.


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Old 06-12-2006, 01:16 AM   #28
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Yes...
Raz: Lookee daddy, I made table go boom!
Raz's father: (Under breath) It's time to start teaching him the flaming loop o' doom.


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With that, pyrohappygirl becomes about 100 times better than Darth_Ave, who is about 100 times better than Shakespeare. So you're like 100,000 times better than Shakespeare, but only a mere 100 times better than me.
Hear that? I'm BETTER THAN SHAKESPEARE!

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Old 06-19-2006, 02:01 AM   #29
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I'm pretty sure that if I ever saw a pyschic baby I would totally be best friends with him. We could hang out at babies R' us intimidating other smaller less powerful babies. I could use him to like open bottles, or change the channel on the T.V. without having to even touch the remote. He would be the ultimate tool, which also emits pyschic poo. Which he would hurl around everywhere with his power. And I could chip in with some of my own. I beileve a pyschic monkey would be the ultimate culmination of greatness though. I would KILL for a pyschic monkey. Named Cornelius.
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That monkey on family guy that lives in Chris's closet is psychic.

Also, my friend Brennon claims to be a psychic. We did the 'how many fingers' thing and he got it right, every time.
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I can see the future ocassionally. I once saw my friends failing in something. The day came, and I totally disagreed, and what they were doing blew up in their faces. Literally. Egg. I just stood there laughing.


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OMG, you have dejavoo too? OMG that happens to me. Somthing that's never happened before will happed and I'll be like "Wow, I remember this."
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I think they got the psychic powers as kids, just like how puberty sneaks up at people.

Your mind and body undergoes.....changes.......
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I can imagine it now...

Milka-Omg! I'm invistible! Woah, what happened to my chest?
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I made a thoery based on 'observing' (ooh, fancy!) Elton and Dogan. They claimed to speak to animals. Animals wouldn't communicate linguistically. Instead, their thoughts would be pure and based around sight, sound, touch or emotion and that it would be up to the children (mainly Dogan and Elton) to decipher and translate[interpret] it. As if it was a code or puzzle that they had to piece together. If that was the case, wouldn't it be possible to interpret foreign languages? Or would humanity be too entrenched with the linguistic meaning behind words?

And in responce to the Milka thing, if you've read her Myspace (which i guess would just be fanon though it was made my Tim Shafer) you'd see that her home situation wasn't the best. Her mom couldn't stand to look at her since she looked 'too much like dad', so Milka would go invisible. She'd do that when she ran away (though she just stayed in her room, invisible, for HOURS). So Milka's case would not be a result of puberty or aging. It would be more likely to be a result of her subcouncious want/need to remain unseen as a method to stay safe and not be hurt (it's the fight or flight thing, Though it overlaps with defense. If no one could see her, no one could say/do anything to hurt her either emotionally or physicaly).
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