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Old 08-05-2006, 09:39 AM   #41
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with regard to my last post inthread, that I take it that as a sleeper Irvine can sense kioet's powers, but due to kioet not having a force presence, he cant locate him directly (ie location nor direction, just inproximate)
and with that kioet cant sense irvine becuase kioet does not have the force nor any thing natural that can 'sense' someone elses presence through a bunch of bulkheads, so koiet shouldnt be able to use his abilities as a sleeper to sense irvine


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Old 08-05-2006, 05:13 PM   #42
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(For some reason I cannot view the second page of this thread until I click Reply.)

Both of those are incorrect, Scar.

1. Kioet does indeed have a presence in the Force, as does every single living thing in the universe that is connected to the Force. However he is not Force-sensitive.

2. Kioet can sense Irvine's presence because of the Sleeper powers both have. Kioet may or may not understand this as he's never had the power to 'sense' anything before. He's not so much using his Sleeper powers to do it as his Sleeper powers should be doing it without him knowing what they're doing. Just like you see things across a room with your eyes without having to activate some special power. At least, that's my theory.

Also, duly noted

ADDENDUM: I do not think Irvine knows what a "Sleeper" is or that he is one. Neither does Kioet for that matter. Although I COULD be wrong about Irvine, don't have time to check on that now. (Cracken may have told him, but I don't think anyone told Cracken what F. Irvine was, and F. Irvine certainly didn't know.)


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Old 08-05-2006, 09:28 PM   #43
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addendum () f. irvine could have known or at least put 2 & 2 together when he fought cracken for the fact the f. irvine got stronger as he progressed.

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Hey, is this the same Irvine that Kioet witnessed do that merge thing? (a few cantinas back when he first entered)


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Old 08-06-2006, 04:18 AM   #45
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Scar: Yeah, but if Irvine has never heard of something called a Sleeper then he wouldn't magically think of the word when he realizes he is similar to Cracken.

R15: Yes, yes it is. I believe Kioet still has the holorecording, too.


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Old 08-06-2006, 07:07 AM   #46
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r15/red: No its not, remember that was cracern from cantinaverse and cracern from pth-verse (whom was older) that fused.

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Old 08-06-2006, 07:36 AM   #47
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Actually, it is. Technically whatever is left of F. Irvine is in Irvine now. He is the new Fused Irvine. Same powers. And they look basically identical. Remember Kioet saw both Irvines AND the after-result (all at different ages). Only difference now? Hair color. I don't mind telling you that my hair color changes every month or two. Plus Kioet is a Trandoshan. He likely isn't using hair as a physical identifier anyway. It's just so much more clothing accessories.

By the way, they're still all named the same name, since besides the fact that "Cracern" was never been used in PtH by anyone except Irvine Cracern himself, he no longer has the memories of choosing that name.

'Tis what you get for using the same character so many times.


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Old 08-06-2006, 08:02 AM   #48
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Old 08-06-2006, 11:14 AM   #49
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Old 09-02-2006, 07:04 PM   #50
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((Hold on a second. Two things: The Vanguard suit doesn't work like ordinary SW technology, since it ISN'T, except for the nonmagic weapons and teleporter [the teleporter is Imp tech]. Second, why does tech not work in the shadow realm... and why can Irvine suddenly transport entire beings/areas there? because it's convenient for Irvine? At the very least you need to explain why tech doesn't work. Preferably in the discussion thread. And in case you don't remember how the Vanguard suit works, though I've done so in multiple places in the RPGs, I'll explain that in there too.

BD: I assume all these characters have been briefed on the Heloki.))

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Old 09-02-2006, 09:10 PM   #51
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((1. Shadow Realm is more 'dead zone' then anything.
2. By Kioet having coming close to Irvine, Irvine grabing the cartosis staff (thus connecting him to kioet) he pulled Kioet into the realm.

Maybe perhaps magic could work in there cus sleepr powers work there. but theres no force, or ability for any electricity to obtain continuity to run/power a circut

3. personaly im trying to end the conflict quick, cus this can go on FOREVER. (hence reason why i was havin Irvine dodge Kioet so much). Not only that it could get into 'whos got the better stuff and who can beat who, so the longer this lasts the more things are bound to not happen in adverse to getting on with a plot.))

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Old 09-02-2006, 09:35 PM   #52
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((If no electricity works then the human brain cannot work.

You can't end the conflict by godmoding so your character wins. If you really want the conflict over then you have to manipulate things to either a standstill via violence or speech, or let Kioet win. Dodging is what prolongs the conflict, because it prevents anything from happening.

But all in all, Kioet's comm system won't shut down, and his suit won't stop working, although his nonmagic weapons might if you have an explanation for that happening.))



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Old 09-04-2006, 11:24 PM   #53
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((Well red, what if I got so annoyed at fighting, that i didnt WANT to fight.
I mean really, where is this going with me and r15, no offence 15 but, all thats going on is is that im seeing
capture him, capture him, capture him. but then its shoot shoot shoot shoot, so i dodge dodge dodge, more talk, capture capture, then shoot some more.

so with this shadow realm. okay. as shown in previous instances is that the shadow realm is a realm which one of the main traits is that it shows what the essence of the entity that exsists in the realm at any given time is truely like. What the 'soul' of the person is but isnt shown in the normal space/time, is in this realm.

F. Irvine in the normal was stuck in a child's body. but in the shadown realm, he's in his adult form. cus thats what his soul is, an adults not a childs.
Irvine was a red haired and bound by his old Jedi master Chi whom exsisted inside him in the normal space/time. in the shadow realm he exsisted as he should be, and also this is why F Irvine found it so easy to separate chi from irvine.
Havok exsists as a child, becuase he is a child in normal space, but in the shadow realm, he's Specture becuase havok is a sort or re-encarnation of specture. Specture's soul is havok's.

There is no force in the realm, it doesnt exsist there. sure the force is a powerful energy that exsists in everything and anything and meny people are absorbed into it when they die, but it doesnt exsist becuase its not apart of normal space

Lightsabers dont work, cus of two reasons.
1) no force
2) its an object.

An object only exsists in the shadow realm becuase it is what it is. those whom have it in the realm keep it and it doesnt desove into nothingness becuase it it tangible. it exsists to the soul. therefore even if in some medocore way if the person believes it to be real, its there.

but does it work? No. again. a tool, a tuba, a flashlight, whatever. they are objects with out conscience, will, or anything. they exsist how they are. they dont have a will to work, so they dont. So thus, electricity in an object doesnt work, but a brain does. again its not the fact that if it looks like a duck and walks like a duck, then it must be.

Other then that, i'd rather leave technology out of this place.

now about those magic stuff you got. now heres where you can fill this part in red. cus im tired of having to explain and think up of **** just to get ppl to leave me alone and attempt to continue on with the RP. hell its gone this long. but anyway, cus your magic isnt mine and i dont have any say in how it works, you can go ahead and explain how you think your magic will work here. i can understand how you want me to explain myself in detail, but frankly. im on vacation. (im lucky i can even post on the ship ffs)))

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Old 09-05-2006, 01:10 AM   #54
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If you got so annoyed with fighting that you didn't WANT to fight, then you SAY SOMETHING, rather than break a rule because you want to 'win', and then make excuses. If you don't want to fill RPG space, which you clearly have to problem with, then you can use the magical thing called private messages.

This RPG isn't a place for a pityfest. So I'm not going to respond to your other stuff, except to say that if you don't want to think of explanations for things, then don't use them.

Next time, explain what *should* happen, rather than godmoding and having it happen to things that aren't yours (like Kioet and the Vanguard suit.) Example: "((OOS: Mechanical stuff doesn't work here, so Kioet's comm and suit shouldn't work.))"

You've been in this RPG a very long time. I don't know why this is an issue.

Now the Vanguard suit is controlled by will. You probably don't know this because you probably don't read RPG posts that don't directly involve you, but the user's mind must synchronize with the suit's systems (which are magic based) to get them to work properly. Kioet has an almost perfect sync ratio because of his Sleeper powers and slight medical treatments. Otherwise, a Vanguard suit operator must be mentally altered to an extreme form or grown from scratch to sync with the suit to full extent. The reason is that the Vanguard suit systems are inherently magic; since the systems were designed to kill beings with magic by imitating their powers. (Blades.)

So Kioet's suit would still function, along with the base systems, but none of the weapons except the magic ones would. (Should mention again that the teleporter isn't magic. Refer to the C13 discussion thread page 3.)


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Old 09-05-2006, 07:01 AM   #55
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see, now im happy.

i just get ticked off a little cus i go do my thing, and then have to explain a **** ton about it, but i never question anyone elses, demanding for detail. of course i can understand when i could use a little more explaination, while admiral explains his stuff, you explain yours, BD he does in his way (). i feel like theres enough info for me to understand whats going on, mainly i dont care as much cus i never find myself getting envolved, which does suck in a few ways and such.

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Old 09-08-2006, 03:57 AM   #59
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Old 09-10-2006, 01:53 PM   #61
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I'm living on the ship now, so internet for me is limited to 'when ever i get a chance', plus Im going to be mess cranking soon, so this 'freedom' i got right now, is going bye-bye.

So, in the shadow realm, the physics are different. But also the natural 'noise' of the universe, ie the 'static' from the big-bang and the lack of force which in its binding of everything living or not. Whats left to keep everything together if there is not force? if there is no force in which physics in this universe deem has to keep it all 'together'?

each planet and realm of which is tied to each other. each planet is on the normal realm is fused with the force. BD, i hope you can clear this up for me

So what happens is is that using a sort of sleeper teleporting (much what cracken uses), Irvine/f Irvine, travels to the shadow realm to 'filter' everything out, and then when he goes back, he 'hops' onto another planet that way by following the binds of the force when he 'reconnects' to it.

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Shouldn't Kioet have been pulled to Tatooine with him, then?

I'm more interested in how Irvine knows how to do this without any teaching or experimentation.


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you mean F irvine?

F irvine had already been put through some of it, remember back when F Irvine was on an Asgard ship with Odin on it, and odin got really really really annoyed with F Irvine, he dumped him on one of coruscant's moons?

well after that, Flax came in disguised and one-hit-killed F Irvine, then later came back. Instead of being 'killed' outright, he was thrown into another realm. the spectural one.

it wasnt until later when his body was destoryed by Cracken, that he found out how to 'jump' through realms



as for Kioet. Irvine 'left' him there, mainly cus (if you want aren to ask and this is what Irvine will say: ) if Kioet can get on a ship that can travel so fast, then why not have him provide himself with that transportation. Irvine's not a bus service ya know :P

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o well, guess Kioet's vsd will be entering the atmosphere.....unless the place is blockaded or something...or he could simply command vsd to precision strike the cantina...


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R15, Kioet can't get to a VSD; he got to the base via a special transport. So he has to take it back to get there quickly. Normal hyperspace travel takes about a day, give or take. (Too lazy to calculate it, but the base is out there)

Scar: I was following the logic of Irvine pulling Kioet into the realm via a 'connection' with him. But I still don't see how Irvine could know how to teleport instantly across the galaxy; are there signposts or something? "This way to Tatooine"? How is he hopping and still keeping his new physical body, since he discovered hopping with his 'spirit form'?

By the way, Sleepers don't have a 'standard set' of powers. And Cracken was a special case.


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ah ok well i edited one of my posts. is that portal there for kioet to go back through?


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well he's prolly busy with school and work. *shrug*

from what i hear from my sister she's been losign sleep over 5 test and 3 major projects that need to be studied for and completed within the next coupld of weeks.
plus she's also got a very hyper 2 1/2 year old daughter <3

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