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Old 08-04-2006, 10:29 PM   #1
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Dark Trooper Size

I'm not complaining about the game,( frankly, I think it looks awesome) but the dark troopers look giant! They are the size of at-st's, are they really that big? Or is this just a scale issue?


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Old 08-05-2006, 01:29 AM   #2
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If I read correctly, in a video game series, Hyle Katarn learns about them because he found a weapon too big for a normal soldier to carry.


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Old 08-05-2006, 02:46 AM   #3
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So Dark Troopers are really 12-14 ft. tall? I never played the Dark Forces games with the Ark Hammer and Dark Troopers so I don't really know much about them.


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Old 08-05-2006, 04:31 AM   #4
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No, just like Darth Vader isn't half as tall as an AT-ST.

Things are not scaled correctly purposely in order for you to see all units propperly.

In "reality" Dark Troopers are only almost twice as high as a normal person, about 3 meters tall, alittle over 1/3rd of the height of an AT-ST.




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Old 08-09-2006, 08:18 AM   #5
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If things were scaled correctly, it wouldnt be fun.


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Old 08-09-2006, 02:16 PM   #6
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It would also be a major pain in the arse to see what your infantry were doing. Either that, or you'd have to content yourself with only seeing your AT-ATs as high as their knees.


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Old 08-09-2006, 05:10 PM   #7
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The screen shots don't show it well, but the Phase I troopers are only slightly taller than a human stormtrooper, the Phase II is slightly bigger than that (about 1.5 stormtroopers) and the Phase III is about 2 stormtroopers tall. We took the scales from the New Essential Guide to Droids (or roughly anyway). As always with scale, playability trumps realism, but we try to keep it as close as possible.


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Old 08-09-2006, 06:49 PM   #8
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Well they be all robot versions (except Phase III) or will there be Phase II suits?

I guess it does not really matter though, but just a thought, since it has to do with WHERE they can be healed.
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Old 08-09-2006, 08:53 PM   #9
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If things were scaled correctly, it wouldnt be fun.
I was not complaining about the size of the dark troopers, I was just curious if they were really that big.


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Old 08-10-2006, 06:56 AM   #10
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I was not complaining about the size of the dark troopers, I was just curious if they were really that big.


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Old 08-10-2006, 12:19 PM   #11
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Well they be all robot versions (except Phase III) or will there be Phase II suits?

I guess it does not really matter though, but just a thought, since it has to do with WHERE they can be healed.
They are all considered droids/vehicles and will be healed at repair stations (not bacta tanks). They are also subject to such things as the magnepulse cannon and other vehicle-only affecting weapons.


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Old 08-10-2006, 01:06 PM   #12
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Interesting, so rockets from plex soldiers will more effective against them than lasers and such?


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Old 08-11-2006, 03:03 PM   #13
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But then again, such things can be countered by the point defence lasers.


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Old 08-11-2006, 04:06 PM   #14
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If I read correctly, in a video game series, Hyle Katarn learns about them because he found a weapon too big for a normal soldier to carry.
Only "slightly" ... Kyle is able to use those weapons, carrying one of them in his backpocket even.
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Old 08-11-2006, 05:32 PM   #15
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Only "slightly" ... Kyle is able to use those weapons, carrying one of them in his backpocket even.
Not trying to start a flame war but I CANNOT see Kyle carrying one of those Dark Trooper's weapons!


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Old 08-11-2006, 06:09 PM   #16
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I can, Kyle was a tad in touch with the force ya know. :P


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Old 08-12-2006, 02:28 PM   #17
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Not trying to start a flame war but I CANNOT see Kyle carrying one of those Dark Trooper's weapons!
I'm afraid he did. In the original Dark Forces it was the most powerful weapon in the game.


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Old 08-12-2006, 03:33 PM   #18
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If I remember he got it from the room where he has to fight a couple of them Dark Trooper Phase II. That gun is quite big, and is shoulder mounted. I think its plasma shots and rockets, but I could be wrong about it.

If I remember right you only get to see a Prototype Phase I running around with scissors chasing after you, or is that just a crazed bodyguard droid?

Well, Also the Dark Trooper Phase I is not THAT tall relatively, and even for Phase II it looks like he is 7-8 feet max. Remember he is floating/flying, or at least, he has quite some stiff legs. But graphic of the game is not THAT good.

There are said to be Phase II Dark Trooper "suits" rather than just droids. Phase III Prototype exists as a suit also, and its a pain to finish off as Katarn.

Basically you get to trash his forcefield generator...
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Old 08-13-2006, 09:55 AM   #19
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All this talk about Darktroopers is making me wonder if the Rebels will get a new (non-hero) ground unit too. Maybe some Tauntaun-mounted troopers?


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Old 08-13-2006, 10:42 AM   #20
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Every unit can be countered, if they get this right, in believe Kyle can come is as a direct counter to the Arc Hammer itself.


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Old 08-13-2006, 04:52 PM   #21
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All this talk about Darktroopers is making me wonder if the Rebels will get a new (non-hero) ground unit too. Maybe some Tauntaun-mounted troopers?
That's a possibility. Most of the new rebel additions have not been revealed yet. The only ones that are confirmed are the new heroes Luke and Yoda (I think Garm bel Iblis is being added as well). then the only confirmed new space forces are B-wings and Mon Cal frigates. Unless those are the only additions (I doubt it though).

Oh yeah, another question. I read that dark troopers will be recruited from a specialized star destroyer called the "Arc Hammer". I read more about it on wookipedia and it looked much different from a normal Star Destroyer, what will it look like in the game? In other words will it look like it did in the Dark Forces game or like a regular star destroyer? (This question is directed to Darth Torpid)


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Old 08-14-2006, 02:34 AM   #22
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Maybe some Tauntaun-mounted troopers?

Combat mounted troopers don't make that much sense in Star Wars. They make good scouts, but that's about it.
Sure, SWGB had them, but then, you needed something to take out buildings early on
A Tauntaun scout would be so much weaker then an Imperial Speeder bike, it's not even worth it.


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Old 08-14-2006, 03:45 AM   #23
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If it's in the game, it will look like the Arc Hammer, otherwise it wouldn't be the Arc Hammer.

It is considerably smaller than an Executor class, but it's over twice as long as a standard star destroyer.

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Old 08-14-2006, 12:08 PM   #24
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I only asked because on the Chat Transcript topic one of the questions was "Where are Dark Troopers recruited?", and the answer said "The Arc Hammer, a star destroyer."

The answer makes it sound like it's a regular Star Destroyer.


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Old 08-14-2006, 12:57 PM   #25
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Well, there are alot of star destroyer designes.

Though I'm not sure I would class this ship as a star destroyer though, since it's basically a factory. Much the same way the Interdictor isn't a star destroyer. Sure it's wedgeshaped, but that alone does not make it a star destroyer.




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Old 08-14-2006, 02:14 PM   #26
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All wedges are stardestroyers of sorts technically, pizza wedges not withstanding.

Now since the Eclipse is in the game, will there be Vulture Droids? E-Wings? Melee troopers with vibro weapons and power fists?
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Old 08-14-2006, 03:36 PM   #27
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I'm sure it will be as formidable as a star destroyer in the game though.


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Old 08-23-2006, 10:28 PM   #28
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If it is in, it is bound to have some sort of offensive capability. Perhaps along the lines of the interdictor, more for its special abilities than survival in ship to ship combat.

I mean, in Dark Forces there had to be a reason the Executor kept protecting the thing all the time!


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Old 08-24-2006, 10:16 AM   #29
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I agree with Thrawn. The Arc Hammer will probably have some weapons for self-defence, but its main attraction will of course be that it produces Darktroopers, not that it kicks arse in battle. Decent hull strength, a few lasers/turbolasers and no fighters, that's what I'm thinking.


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