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Old 02-23-2006, 07:08 PM   #41
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By the way, Mace did not beat Palpatine. If at any time Palpatine wanted to slaughter mace...he could have. But he had the whole thing planned out. He used his "defeat" as a ploy to lure Anakin to his side, knowing full-well that the young distraught Jedi would side with him.
In a way its correct and in another its wrong. Palpatine was beat by the time he was on the grond and cornered by Mace. But soon after Anikan entered the room he made up and act as if he was defensevly being murdered (even when anikan new of him being a sith) and was all whiny and saying "Anikan dont let him kill me i am weak" (or something like that) and when Anikan cut mace's arm Palpatine sprang up and killed mace. So technikly you are right that Palpitine acted some of the duel out but there is no doubt Mace could have killed him (with or without Palpatine pretending)



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Old 02-23-2006, 11:15 PM   #42
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So what, you've never heard of Lucas saying that so it isn't true?
No, that's not what I'm saying at all. I was asking if he could direct me to the a source that has quoted Lucas as saying such. And I asked that so I could see it for myself. It would be a first and only that Lucas has said that.

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but there is no doubt Mace could have killed him (with or without Palpatine pretending)
And I never said he couldn't. Palpatine - in my opinion - was feigning defeat. I believe he was doing this because he knew Anakin was coming, and the sight of an "innocent old man" being cornered at lightsaber-tip would aid in Anakin's siding with him, and eventual conversion. Let's face it, if Anakin saw Palpatine blasting away at Mace's lightsaber with his very own crimson blade, then it would have taken a lot more persuasion for Anakin to take his side.

However, with Palpatine on the ground and cowering in the corner of the window seal, Mace could have easily just stepped forward and lodged his blade through Palpatine's face. But this was a factor and chance that Palpatine had already weighed and considered worth taking. Yes, Mace could have easily killed him there, but Palpatine put himself in that predicament, not Mace.

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I'm pretty sure Palpatine wouldn't ruin his beautiful face intentionally.
Considering as to how he even used his pain from the initial reflection to increase the power of the lightning, he could have cared less. He even told Anakin in the novelization, "I will miss the face of Palpatine. But this face will do to serve our purposes." Or something to that effect, when he was putting his Sith robes on. Whether intentional or not, he did it without a second thought, and used it to further his own agenda.

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Old 02-24-2006, 11:39 AM   #43
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This weekend if I get time I'll pop in my ROTS DVD to find Lucas's proof of Palpatine being beat by Windu. Until then, trust me.

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Old 02-24-2006, 12:41 PM   #44
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Satire based on facts? Woo, edgy ground. I seriously wonder if Lucas lost the plot with the Palp scene, especially when the newer films at least tried to be seriouser.


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Old 02-24-2006, 08:23 PM   #45
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I just had to say it because a lot of people didn't understand. You've gotta admit those are some funny faces! Mace's Vapaad style was barely able to keep the Jedi Master from bursting into laughter during the fight...


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Old 02-24-2006, 11:23 PM   #46
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Actually, to tell you the truth I am glad he died the way he did. I never really cared for him that much.


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Old 02-25-2006, 08:55 AM   #47
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Old 02-26-2006, 05:56 PM   #48
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Yeah he was the best death, even though I think the Jedi should have sensed that something was wrong and fought back.

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Old 03-10-2006, 02:26 PM   #49
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Yeah, Ki-Adi-Mundi's death scene was the best. The look on his face when he realises the Clone Troopers are turning on him is so heartbreaking!


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Old 03-13-2006, 11:18 AM   #50
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it was pretty stupid how the clone troopers on Kashyyk (I think its Kashyyk.... the one with the giant flowers lol) just kept shooting the Twi'lek Jedi* for about an hour after she died....

*yeah yeah... sorry for being so ignorant...

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There is a reason they do that. The Clones are fully aware of Order 66 well before it actaully takes place. You find this out in Battlefront II. As to the reason she died so quickly was because although the clones could not disobey and order and save her, they made her death as quickly as possible so she would not suffer, since she saved several legions of troopers including the 501st on Felucia. Without her their campaign against the Seperatist on that planet would have faild and THOUSANDS of clones would have died. So to repay her, they made her death very quick.

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Old 03-13-2006, 12:31 PM   #51
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I don't think the Battlefront II storyline is cannon....
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Old 03-13-2006, 04:43 PM   #52
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It's in the Databank, I assume that means that it is canon.



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Old 03-16-2006, 08:46 AM   #53
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Old 04-21-2006, 08:12 PM   #54
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ye the 501st rule,Ki-Adi's death was done well but they should have stressed in his character more coz he was a jcm so he deserves more of a story, The sidious thing Windu beat him mainly on luck(my opinion) because yoda couldnt beat him but i think yoda didnt lose if he was a bit taller(and a bit more ruthless) he could have wiped the floor with palpatine(the taller thing would be him haning on) it was just luck sidious got the like grip and yoda fell thats it to be fair sidious should have just been pushed out of the window
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Old 04-21-2006, 09:42 PM   #55
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By the way, if Mace had actually beaten Palpatine, then why the stars didn't Yoda defeat him?
Because Yoda is a midget and a ****e swordsman. Mace was a better fighter. Yoda was just smarter.
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Old 05-03-2006, 08:16 PM   #56
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If thats the case he should have her frozen in carbonite ... looks nice in his bedroom.
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Old 07-16-2006, 06:01 AM   #57
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Still, Zett was facing thousands of Clonetroopers, and managed to fight his way onto the balcony. The way he died, though... doesn't sit well with me.

): He should have survived. That way, he could have been in the TV show. D:
So you're saying Mundi, taken by surprise would still last longer than the padawan Zett, after what seems like about fifteen minutes after the temple was attacked? Well, to each their own I guess.
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Old 07-17-2006, 07:48 AM   #58
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All the Jedi deaths were just...pathetic :| I mean a lifelong training of "predicting" and sensing everything around you and a bunch of Clone Troopers can just kill them in a heartbeat.

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Old 07-17-2006, 12:23 PM   #59
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Heck, at least in KOTOR they die with dignity and tons of firepower needed. Heck, the Jedi died faster than droids do under the same conidtions. OK there's the element of surprise, but can't they sense emotions?


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Old 07-17-2006, 05:11 PM   #60
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Well, other than the Jedis feeled betrayed and somewhat in shock, some of them Do sense it coming. But the mission and condition they are in is just maid for their demise. Remember they are being attacked by both the cloens and the Seps. Also, if a Jedi is in a vehicle he is only as good as the ride he is in, Jedis usually can't do many of their tricks while flying thru space.

Though I think the clone sshould be nice and kill the yum-yum Jedis in a more subtle way... they look better in carbonite as said. My bedroom wal would look lovely with a nice carbonite of Secura, Offee, Zule, Siri or Fey.
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Old 10-07-2006, 03:56 PM   #61
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The Order 66 Executions were great the music was great.

Ki Adi Mundi with the snow falling "Come ON" they turn on him and die, Plo Koon in the Fighter. it was great
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Old 10-07-2006, 09:54 PM   #62
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All the Jedi deaths were just...pathetic :| I mean a lifelong training of "predicting" and sensing everything around you and a bunch of Clone Troopers can just kill them in a heartbeat.
The presence of the dark side was blinding them from the entire plot. No amount of training could've saved them.


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Old 10-07-2006, 10:21 PM   #63
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Ki Adi Mundi with the snow falling "Come ON" they turn on him and die, Plo Koon in the Fighter. it was great
I thought that was ash, not snow.


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^^^ It was.



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Old 10-09-2006, 11:33 AM   #65
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Yes its snow, contaminated maybe, but still snow. (like, yellow snow is still snow)

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The presence of the dark side was blinding them from the entire plot. No amount of training could've saved them.
Actually a few of them got away, only to be killed afterwards. Some got the welcoming party at the jedi Temple, others ate it by witchunter parties, and some got a meeting with Vader.
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Yes its snow, contaminated maybe, but still snow. (like, yellow snow is still snow)
What makes you say that?

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Republic artillery carriers reduced much of the city and crystalline landscape into rubble, polluting the icy winds with a persistent pall of gray ash.



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Old 10-14-2006, 11:10 AM   #67
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Off-topic... I like that Palpatine lost the fight to Windu. Palpy was a minipulating B****** but wasn't perfect; and Windu was a better swordsman.
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What makes you say that?
Nice Quote. I suppose its "ash" then. I was under the impression that it is a heavy polluted icy world, so the thingy from the sky are some kind of polluted snow.
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Old 10-15-2006, 03:40 AM   #69
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Yes its snow, contaminated maybe, but still snow. (like, yellow snow is still snow)



Actually a few of them got away, only to be killed afterwards. Some got the welcoming party at the jedi Temple, others ate it by witchunter parties, and some got a meeting with Vader.
I was refering to those unlucky enough to die. Many were jedi masters.


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I suppose it was one of the better order 66 deaths, I didn't see him take any Clones down though.
I watched the movie yesterday, and I noticed he takes down at least one of them...



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