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Old 11-10-2003, 06:47 AM   #1
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Any Jedi Academy Clans?

I want to join a Jedi Academy clan, im a great Jedi Academy player, i have outcast also, so for either game, IM me at quiksilverx181 on aol instant messenger or clan_darrksaber88@hotmail.com on msn messenger. I really wanna join a jedi knight clan so hook me up. HOPEFULLY JEDI ACADEMY!!!!!
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Old 11-10-2003, 08:38 AM   #2
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Old 11-10-2003, 09:31 AM   #3
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Old 11-10-2003, 01:32 PM   #4
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It is very difficult to play mp in a game where physics aren't set in stone and gameplay is hit and miss (random). These issues need addressing before any serious competetive gameplay could possible take place (and saying 'we had a tourney wif 5 ppl and we rocked' doesnt count...I said serious). Because of this, there are no 'good' clans. All are either equally poor, or equally stupid (until the stuff is fixed).

And btw, saying your 'a great Jedi Acdemy player' is no feat at all. Anyone can be 'great' at JA in 30mins due to the simplified physics.
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Old 11-10-2003, 05:28 PM   #5
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It is very difficult to play mp in a game where physics aren't set in stone and gameplay is hit and miss (random). These issues need addressing before any serious competetive gameplay could possible take place (and saying 'we had a tourney wif 5 ppl and we rocked' doesnt count...I said serious). Because of this, there are no 'good' clans. All are either equally poor, or equally stupid (until the stuff is fixed).

And btw, saying your 'a great Jedi Acdemy player' is no feat at all. Anyone can be 'great' at JA in 30mins due to the simplified physics.
Actually there's some pretty good clans out there, and as far as game dynamics go............
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Old 11-10-2003, 05:32 PM   #6
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Yes, very good clans such as: www.roughnex.co.uk

There's nothing wrong with the physics and dynamics they're fine. Just the odd bug here and there n the game's sorted.
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Old 11-10-2003, 06:09 PM   #7
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Well evangellic, as they say ignorance is bliss, so ill just presume your ignorant.

Although the clan may have potential, no clan can 'own' this game because of the touch and go game physics. I've seen it (not just from me, but with loads of people.) People should clearly win after getting a few direct hits, but it either doesnt damage (due to it recording it wrongly as a miss) or it does little damage (due to it being recorded in the wrong the area of hit ie. the leg bx instead of the head box).
The other thing is blocks aren't always blocks and hits aren't always hits. This is a bug and yet another reason why playing competetively atm is a farse.
And no its not because saber damage is set to something ridiculous, its a bug that was even present in JK2, just that now it seems mch much worse.

As for this game requiring more skill than learning from playing mp for 30 mins...that is my belief. Don't forget that Raven pruposely targeted this game for people to come along and play (ie. not needing to learn a great deal). So by definition, to play competetively is to play a game that does not take a great deal of skill. And I don't see how a competetive community can thrive on that (with there being to prospect to expand in strategy, tactics or skill without going against ravens aim to target the game at unskillful players). But if they do wish to target the game for a more skilled audience, thats great news. The End.
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Old 11-11-2003, 12:00 AM   #8
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well for most part i have to agree totally with Jawa8578
except in Siege , it qoute requires skill , when u really good at it
u can make the difference in a match
but as he said in a saber FFA theres no skill required
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Old 11-11-2003, 12:06 AM   #9
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Could we Please either get this thread closed or moved, since it's obviously going to start a flame debate over whether people who play JA suck or not... which frankly I am so... freaking... tired... of hearing. Here's my opinon on the matter...

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Old 11-11-2003, 12:16 AM   #10
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Well put Akshara.

PEOPLE , read the first post, he asked for a point in a certain direction, not your meaningless opinions about how you think the game could be improved.

btw: JA and JO are not the same game, so if you like JO fine, go play it then.
btw: He said JA or JO.
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Old 11-11-2003, 01:39 AM   #11
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Actually there's some pretty good clans out there, and as far as game dynamics go............
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yes there are some good clans in guns (a few rise above the others)

and i can think of two saber only clans that are far beyond any other (that play the game).

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And Jawa8578... you presume too much.
way too much.

nicely said ak

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Yes, very good clans such as: www.roughnex.co.uk

There's nothing wrong with the physics and dynamics they're fine. Just the odd bug here and there n the game's sorted.
sorry the physics and dynamics totally suck.

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As for this game requiring more skill than learning from playing mp for 30 mins...that is my belief. Don't forget that Raven pruposely targeted this game for people to come along and play (ie. not needing to learn a great deal). So by definition, to play competetively is to play a game that does not take a great deal of skill. And I don't see how a competetive community can thrive on that (with there being to prospect to expand in strategy, tactics or skill without going against ravens aim to target the game at unskillful players). But if they do wish to target the game for a more skilled audience, thats great news. The End.
its struggling i'll say that much.

all holding our breath for the sdk to get our mods out the door.

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Old 11-11-2003, 02:11 AM   #15
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Judging by the great number of "clan tags" I see in use just on a cursory examination of ASE (and not counting all the people who "smurf" without their tags, heh, you guys know who you are!) I'd say clans are fairly well represented in JA so far.

Of course that says nothing about the size or skill of any of those clans, but hey, nobody said being in a clan made you a better player necessarily or that "bigger = better" with regard to clans.

As I see it some people have more fun playing with a regular group of people than by themselves. Theoretically playing together frequently would give you a good understanding of each person's strengths and weaknesses and help you play as a more solid team (which would be very helpful in tournaments and team based situations).

Plenty of JK2 clans haven't moved on to JA or have "given up" on JA, but then new clans have been formed that didn't exist in the previous game and some have been reformed/recombined/split, etc and some clans play both (and more) games, so I'd say it's probably growing and we'll see in about a year if it's more, less, or equally popular as JK2 was.

PS: I won't dig up the can of worms people are already beating again against the dead horse of the "JA sucks it takes no skillz!" people, but I would ask you this question: "If the game is so easy to master, why isn't everyone a master? Shouldn't every game end in a draw then in every gametype? Or are you contradicting yourself by saying its random, in which case nobody could ever master the game, period, and thus consistent wins would be statistically unlikely to ever happen, like in gambling?"


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Old 11-11-2003, 03:34 AM   #16
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Old 11-11-2003, 03:36 AM   #17
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Judging by the great number of "clan tags" I see in use just on a cursory examination of ASE (and not counting all the people who "smurf" without their tags, heh, you guys know who you are!) I'd say clans are fairly well represented in JA so far.

Of course that says nothing about the size or skill of any of those clans, but hey, nobody said being in a clan made you a better player necessarily or that "bigger = better" with regard to clans.

As I see it some people have more fun playing with a regular group of people than by themselves. Theoretically playing together frequently would give you a good understanding of each person's strengths and weaknesses and help you play as a more solid team (which would be very helpful in tournaments and team based situations).

Plenty of JK2 clans haven't moved on to JA or have "given up" on JA, but then new clans have been formed that didn't exist in the previous game and some have been reformed/recombined/split, etc and some clans play both (and more) games, so I'd say it's probably growing and we'll see in about a year if it's more, less, or equally popular as JK2 was.

PS: I won't dig up the can of worms people are already beating again against the dead horse of the "JA sucks it takes no skillz!" people, but I would ask you this question: "If the game is so easy to master, why isn't everyone a master? Shouldn't every game end in a draw then in every gametype? Or are you contradicting yourself by saying its random, in which case nobody could ever master the game, period, and thus consistent wins would be statistically unlikely to ever happen, like in gambling?"
kurg that is where the person comes in. anyone can get "good" at the game, but some are a bit smarter about how they play the game than others. doesn't have as much to do with skill as, for instance JO.

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Old 11-11-2003, 05:58 PM   #18
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As I stated, this game requires the skill of 30 mins of mp experience. No offence, but I genuenly believe some people are just retarded. Thats not a joke by the way. They stand there with their sabers prepped to blue style and then stand...stand...walk forward a little...stand...use arrow buttons to turn around...walk a little...stand. So yes, not everyone can master this game, just those who aren't complete utter morons.
So the 'skill'. Well to get good at the game you need to basically time roll stabs, katas and butterflys and hey presto, you're a master. Thats the 'skill' of the game. Its done that way to help new players play quickly and easily. Although you may call all of that skill, it's nothing compared to the vast aspects of JK2. However, that is not the subject of debate here.

The fact is, there are better players due to experience. These good players can still easily beat your standard saber boy easily, although now, the saber boy may have made a few extra hits causing a bit more damage than usual, but non the less, the better player normally wins.
However, when these 'good players' come to play EACH OTHER competetively (hence the clans and competetive gameplay), presuming both parties being of similar skill levels (as they're in clans), one player will win randomly. He dodges a swing but for some strange reason, known only to a trio of bulltoads living on the third canry island, the swing hits causing death.
This is why COMPETETIVE gameplay is impossible. The physics aren't reliable and consequently players can win or loose randomly.

I summise that most clans are new to JA and therefore haven't played competetively yet. But to anyone who's played JK2 and moved to JA, its plain to see why this game won't work competetively atm.
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Old 11-11-2003, 08:17 PM   #21
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No guys, I think you misread, he said "Good clans" j/k I nether know nor care about your clans gf.
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Old 11-11-2003, 11:19 PM   #22
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how did my request to join a clan turn into an arguement? jesus...
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Old 11-11-2003, 11:51 PM   #23
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Blame Jawa8578.

I probably should have smacked him for trolling, sorry!


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Old 11-12-2003, 01:25 AM   #24
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You gotta find a clan yourself m8.. using a public forum will only lead to small disputes..

Besides.. go in game and join servers.. there you will find clans. Wether it suites you is up to you.




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Old 11-12-2003, 01:48 PM   #25
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I just illustarted why joining a competetive clan would be pointless. Sorry if I gave the impression of caring. I don't.


Few rules for joining a clan:

1. Get to know a clan, make sure you like them.
2. Never join a clan if somebody asks you to join after seeing you play like 1/2 times. (It means they're desperate and their clan will be ****ty).
3. Hint that you want to join. If you're not asked, you're not good enough.
4. Make sure your duel sabers are prepped and ready wif those bad ass katars.
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Old 11-12-2003, 05:37 PM   #26
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However, when these 'good players' come to play EACH OTHER competetively (hence the clans and competetive gameplay), presuming both parties being of similar skill levels (as they're in clans), one player will win randomly. He dodges a swing but for some strange reason, known only to a trio of bulltoads living on the third canry island, the swing hits causing death.
He does have a good point there, I can't count how many times I've been killed by a shot I clearly dodged or been caught in the foot w/ full health and died.
Not competively though of course, I suck.


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Sorry that your thread got hijacked.
But the best way to join a clan is like they say, find a server you like w/ friendly people (or a**holes, your choice), and just play there regularly and if your good enough they'll notice you.
One thing to stay away from are clans just starting(to unorganized) or clans that are to big (don't even bother w/ |SiN|, not sure, but I think they suck and if I remember correctly they are arrogant and poor losers as well.
Don't stick to one server either hop around, find your fav. force regen time and force power disable settings, and play on those servers.


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Im sorry to say, but anyone with any experience (due to being at least average at the game, which isnt hard) doesnt need to post on a forums asking wehere he can join a clan.
My point is that the very fact that you needed to post here asking how/where to join a clan is enough to demonstate your experience, and therefore skill level. Hence your not good enough to join a clan. Look for people who play badly and they might let you in a clan...or maybe not.
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SiN is also known as MoH..

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Im sorry to say, but anyone with any experience (due to being at least average at the game, which isnt hard) doesnt need to post on a forums asking wehere he can join a clan.
My point is that the very fact that you needed to post here asking how/where to join a clan is enough to demonstate your experience, and therefore skill level. Hence your not good enough to join a clan. Look for people who play badly and they might let you in a clan...or maybe not.
Well....we all started somewhere.


darrksaber88,
"Keep on truckin", you'll find one.

My opinion is to stay away from clans entirely, Sure I've been in a clan, only for about a month or so and it dissipated, most were older folks (well over 20, a couple in there late 20's) couple of us had children, some col. students, and one female (woohoo).
I have to say it was the coolest clan, and most of us were skilled as well.
Well w/ out beating around the bush, what I'm trying to say is if you want to play competively join a team, if you want to play for fun go solo.
Kinda reminds me of High School and all the Clics (sp?) lol, being said most of them are probrally that age.
No mean to offend you if you are 15 or 16 (88).

Honestly couldn't point you towards a good clan (most are invite only) but when I first started playing JA back in Sept. there were some clan servers out there w/ pretty decent chaps/dames. I don't play on clan servers any more really though.

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Yes most are invite only.
If a clan is openly recruting then its gonna be a crap clan.
The fact that you need to post here suggests you have no experience, therefore are new, therefore are not good enough to join any clan. Play the game for 30 mins and if you've any sense you'll be a master. There will soon be no competetive clans as they'll soon find out they cannot play the game competetively, due to reasons prestated. So go join a group of rpg'ers or something.
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Old 11-15-2003, 05:22 PM   #31
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dude im not new, i just dont know where to look for a clan, because i never was into clans on jedi knight games
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dude im not new, i just dont know where to look for a clan, because i never was into clans on jedi knight games
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finding a good clan for any semi-competitive game is going to be exactly the same. find ladders and see what the top clans are and go to their irc channels.

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Old 11-16-2003, 08:31 AM   #34
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darrksaber88...

Ignore the little jawa... he gets his rocks off insulting people and telling them how much they suck. *whispers in ear* (He has a yoda weewee...)

One big question you should ask yourself is "what type of clan am I looking for?" These are the main three I'm familiar with:

1) Competitive clans (and yes, we know... they all suck in JA) who play against each other in tournaments & ladders. Often they might specialize in a specific game style, though many play all or several styles. They have scheduled practices, focus highly on teamwork and strategy, and take their successes or failures very seriously. Here you will usually find the best and most skilled players, but alas... also the most arrogant and confrontational.

2) Just for Fun clans that are basically a bunch of people who like playing together with custom maps/skins, and usually the game style doesn't matter. They might have a website and/or a private/public server with an open schedule; or they might have scheduled matches and trainings. Sometimes they'll challenge another clan to an event and have a "competitive" experience... in any case, here you will usually find a somewhat relaxed and freespirited type of player, but also a lot less focus on the skill of playing - that's not to say they aren't good players though, or might participate in tournaments/ladders. Sometimes a newer clan that perceives itself as "competitive" will more likely fall into this category without realizing it.

3) Role Playing clans (RP) that create an entire world or story within an era of the Star Wars universe, where each member takes on a role to play within the group. Usually these groups schedule events in a private server that are fairly high on dialogue and intrigue, while low on action and mayhem. These events can be quite enjoyable when done well, and a stimulating change from the regular "all action" gameplay - and they can also digress into quite boring and chatty IRC session when done poorly. They tend to use lOts of custom maps, skins, and mods to create their worlds within an FFA game style environment. Often there's a farily strong hierarchy to the group, as well as a host of rules to follow, which many in these groups feel are necessary to keep things focused and on track. Here you will be treated with respect and honor, which is both a blessing and a curse... it can get a little pretentious and stuffy at times.

Now there are some that fall outside of these three of course, but this covers most of the ones you'll come across. Clans tend to lean either toward the Light or Dark side... I've rarely come across those that blend the two together, though some of them do try. Considering all of this info could possibly help narrow down the search for you, as well as save a lot of wasted time heading down the wrong direction.

Clans have the potential to be a lot of fun; but they also have the potential to be a royal pita. A lot of the servers out there are supported by clans. Generally, if you find a server that you enjoy playing on regularly, and the people are welcoming and nice to you, then walk up and ask a member how one joins their group. Usually they'll give you a website address where you can read their information. Sometimes the welcome screen on a server will have a web address listed - write it down if it's one you like. A good clan will usually have it's own forum, or at least a requirements page with some email contacts. The IRC channels are good to find the more competitive clans, while many will often use MSN, AIM, or ICQ to connect privately. I would recommend getting a copy of Trillian Basic if you're serious about finding a clan - it's an IM client that covers AIM, MSN, Yahoo, ICQ, and IRC all in the same interface with no ads.

If you clarify what you're looking for here in a clan experience, maybe someone can point you in a good direction...

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Old 03-11-2006, 09:52 PM   #35
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hey man you realy wanna join a JA clan.you can join mine.Im clan leader o (KC)you can contact me on kc server.My JA name is (KC)Darth reban(DL)so join my clan.
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This is a dead thread mandalorian. If you'd bother to look to your left and up you'll see the last post was in 2003. I advise admin to lock.


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It is very difficult to play mp in a game where physics aren't set in stone and gameplay is hit and miss (random). These issues need addressing before any serious competetive gameplay could possible take place (and saying 'we had a tourney wif 5 ppl and we rocked' doesnt count...I said serious). Because of this, there are no 'good' clans. All are either equally poor, or equally stupid (until the stuff is fixed).

And btw, saying your 'a great Jedi Acdemy player' is no feat at all. Anyone can be 'great' at JA in 30mins due to the simplified physics.
I used to think that, but the more I played the more I learned that there were more to the physics than meets the eye when you first play, and that it can be played competitively.
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