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Old 12-13-2006, 01:10 PM   #41
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Sideous and Traya would manipulate the rest into slaughtering one another, then try to outscheme the other until they both drop dead.


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Old 12-14-2006, 02:29 AM   #42
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Palpatine defeats all.
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Old 12-14-2006, 02:52 AM   #43
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Palpatine defeats all.
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George's statements completely aside, then?


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Old 12-14-2006, 03:24 AM   #44
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George's statements completely aside, then?
Anakin never reached his potential, so Sidious defeats all, until he gets chucked down a shaft that is!


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Old 12-14-2006, 05:18 AM   #45
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In a 1v1 fight/duel I don't think Sidious or Traya would be able to defeat Anakin or Revan, but Sidious would have to be the greatest Sith Lord of all time (Sith Lord as in the DS consular class that focuses on Force use as opposed to a leader of the Sith).
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Old 12-14-2006, 09:45 AM   #46
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Anakin never reached his potential
Exactly.

And why isn't Luke on here?

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Old 12-14-2006, 11:38 AM   #47
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Well...

IMO the whole "chosen one" philosphy only works, if the galaxy and the force is at a critical, the most critical point in its history. And when Star wars was written, I doubt George Lucas had in mind to let the universe be expanded by such a great deal.

In the era of the movies, Anakin might have had the potential to be the strongest, but actually Palpatine was the strongest.

In the era of Kotor, Revan and Traya are among the strongest force sensitives.

But you can't compare them. If George Lucas says, a full potential Vader is the strongest, then I have to accept that.

My opinion is tho, that certain Sithlords are portrayed in a way that suggests that they were far more powerful than Palpatine/Vader/yoda/luke.
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Old 12-18-2006, 10:07 PM   #48
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Anakin never reached his potential, so Sidious defeats all, until he gets chucked down a shaft that is!
If you're sticking to canon, you should discount this entire poll, then. None of them ever meet.

And regardless of how bad the comics were, getting chucked down a shaft wasn't the end of him.


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Old 12-19-2006, 12:48 AM   #49
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And regardless of how bad the comics were, getting chucked down a shaft wasn't the end of him.
I agree, that is what the blue flash was... but now that GL is retconning everything and denying his original plans there wont be an EP 7, 8, and 9.


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Old 12-19-2006, 01:08 AM   #50
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I agree, that is what the blue flash was... but now that GL is retconning everything and denying his original plans there wont be an EP 7, 8, and 9.
*Waves this in front of RedHawke*

Er, ever heard of Dark Empire? The blue flash wasn't the end either.


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Old 12-19-2006, 01:44 AM   #51
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*Waves this in front of RedHawke*

Er, ever heard of Dark Empire? The blue flash wasn't the end either.
So? The Dark Empire has nothing to do with my post...


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Old 12-19-2006, 01:49 AM   #52
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So? The Dark Empire has nothing to do with my post...
Er, your original post said that the blue flash was the end of him.


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Old 12-19-2006, 01:55 AM   #53
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Er, your original post said that the blue flash was the end of him.
I did?

Not!

You better go back and look again because nowhere did I state the "blue flash" was the "end of him". I was agreeing with you!


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Old 12-19-2006, 02:09 AM   #54
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You better go back and look again because nowhere did I state the "blue flash" was the "end of him". I was agreeing with you!
Are you not getting much sleep, RH?

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getting chucked down a shaft wasn't the end of him.
I agree, that is what the blue flash was...
Edit: Who's the silly now? We agree on getting chucked down the shaft, though I don't think the blue flash was the end of him. You've said you do.


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Old 12-19-2006, 07:21 AM   #55
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hm id say revan he is as smart as he i powerfull plus he doesnt let power blind him unlike palpaltine who couldnt see beyond his own power because he never intendend to die he wanted to rule the galaxy forever so he was both greedy for and blind to power but i still like him.
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Old 12-19-2006, 08:03 AM   #56
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Are you not getting much sleep, RH?
Uh? You ought to practice what you are preaching here... read your own post again... silly!

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getting chucked down a shaft wasn't the end of him.
I agree, that is what the blue flash was...
Where in my statement did I contradict you? I was agreeing, perhaps it is indeed you who need sleep. I'm fine.

Time to get back on-topic though...


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Old 12-19-2006, 08:16 AM   #57
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@Prime, this is the old Jedi Order, hence the fact that Anakin and Revan are on here.... and the old Sith Order... being as Kreia is on here....

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hm id say revan he is as smart as he i powerfull plus he doesnt let power blind him unlike palpaltine who couldnt see beyond his own power because he never intendend to die he wanted to rule the galaxy forever so he was both greedy for and blind to power but i still like him.
Palpatine was a fool.... Revan was a fool for falling to the Darkside.... Anakin would kick both their and Traya's butts, even if their power was together and against Anakin
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Old 12-21-2006, 08:09 AM   #58
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i dont believe Revan fell to the dark side i believe he made a sacrifice because i think he believed that the jedi would be unable to defeat the "true sith" and he wasnt a fool because he factored in the possibilty that he could be defeated in that he left the republic with a working economic infarstructre and also he unlike anakin didnt let emotion cloud his judgement.


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Old 12-29-2006, 12:27 PM   #59
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What does Lucas know anyway?
Well, since Ani never reached his true potential, then I say Luke.
Even Sidious knew Luke could defeat both himself and Vader.

...and why isn't Luke on this poll?

Traya? WTF???


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Old 12-29-2006, 05:02 PM   #60
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I thought this thread was dead....... maybe a mod should lock it... so no more "revivals".... but there was 2 Jedi and 2 Sith on the Pole.... and I thought that was enough.... and I like Darth Traya.... she's a cool Sith Lord...
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Old 12-30-2006, 10:39 PM   #61
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Have you learned nothing!! ancient Jedi's are far more powerful than modern. Revan and Traya. What about the Exile?


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Old 12-31-2006, 05:34 AM   #62
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Damn, difficult question. Mainly because "fight" is somewhat vague in this situation.

Sidious vs Traya (Physical Combat)--- Sidious wins
Sidious proved himself to be more than competent in a duel, and his mastery of the force is impressive to say the least. Traya, while impressive herself, was still beaten by a less impressive, although unique, Jedi.

Sidious vs Traya (Battle of the minds)--- Sidious again.
They are both very manipulative and crafty, obviously, but I think it comes down to aggression. Traya is too balanced, passive, thoughtful, and philosophical. That's not really a bad thin, but when you're up against someone who is patient, focused, and aggressive in achieving a goal, the aggressive one is going to win the practical fight first. (For the record, I have no idea what this kind of fight would be like. Some sort of contest to see who could manipulate their way into the most galactic power and defeat the other)

Revan vs. Anakin* (Physical Combat)--- Anakin
He's the frickin chosen one. Think about Anakin's training. He was accepted at an old age, he had his own issues, and yet when the second a war happened he became a hero, he was an amazing, naturally talented individual. Revan was amazing too, but was like any other Jedi. He studied, and studied more, he was powerful, and he was thoughtful, but he was never the chosen one.




The other matchups are trickier.


Anakin vs Sidious (Physical combat)--- Anakin
Once again: chosen one. Sidious himself said that Anakin would soon be more powerful than both Sidious and Yoda.

Anakin vs Sidious (Mental) --- Sidious
The entire film saga is about this fight and how Sidious won it.

Anakin in a mental fight-- Anakin loses. He's not a thinker.
Anakin in a physical fight--- Anakin wins. Sorry guys, he's the chosen one.



Physical
Traya v Sidious --- Sidious
Anakin v Revan --- Anakin
Anakin v Traya --- Anakin
Revan v Sidious --- ???
Traya v Revan --- Revan
Sidious v Anakin --- Anakin

Mental
Traya v Sidious --- Sidious
Anakin v Revan --- Revan
Anakin v Traya --- Traya
Revan v Sidious --- ???
Traya v Revan --- ???
Sidious v Anakin --- Sidious


*Not even assuming Anakin was at his full potential, but just what he could have been if things had gone better in Revenge of the Sith. ie Not physically crippled, not emotionally crippled, not enslaved to the Dark lord of the Sith. Just a happy, powerful Anakin who could do lightning and whatever if he wanted.



EDIT: And about the time factor, its really not a factor. Traya said that the KOTOR era Jedi were like children with toys compared to the old Sith Lords, at least in terms of lightsaber mastery. That means no assuming that the guys in the future have any innate advantage.


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Old 12-31-2006, 06:13 AM   #63
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Anakin in a mental fight-- Anakin loses. He's not a thinker.
Anakin in a physical fight--- Anakin wins. Sorry guys, he's the chosen one.
Anakin (and only according to George Lucas) may have the greatest potential of all force sensitives, but just look at his pathetic performance against Obiwan.
Physical fight. He loses.
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Anakin (and only according to George Lucas) may have the greatest potential of all force sensitives, but just look at his pathetic performance against Obiwan.
There's a difference between potential and what you actually achieve. Many never live up to their full potential, and I think Anakin was one of them.

On a broader scale, since Star Wars is a bit fantasy-inspired, it means that the older, more ancient, or the further back in time a being lived, the more powerful they were. Fantasy universes are constantly decaying in glory and might rather than evolving for some reason. This is touched upon by what Kreia says if you approach the collapsed tombs in the Valley of Dark Lords on Korriban in TSL.

Thus, Revan and Traya are 4000 years more powerful than Anakin and Sidious.
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Anakin (and only according to George Lucas) may have the greatest potential of all force sensitives, but just look at his pathetic performance against Obiwan.
Physical fight. He loses.
There are two crucial facts about that fight.

1. Anakin was not at his full potential in that fight. Close, but he certainly could have had more power if he had embraced the Dark Side more than at that point. More importantly, he was as emotionally troubled as he possibly cold have been.

2. It was Obi-Wan. The reason that that fight was so close, despite Anakin's ability, was because they were Master and apprentice. They knew each other, they knew each other's moves, they could predict what the other would do because they were so close. Their bond made the fight completely different from a normal fight that one would normally think of.


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Old 12-31-2006, 05:33 PM   #66
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I say revan i think he could even out think sidious, i mea nwho is genious enough to start a war aginst the republic in order to save it?

Also idk about you guys but my jedi cousiler revan could spam Force storm for quite awhile i dont think ankin would have lasted against his force pool lol.


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