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Old 02-17-2007, 11:32 PM   #41
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Seriously, if they are all locked up in a small room, I would go for the close combat fighter, meaning Sion or Revan.
I don't think Nihilus would win, because I always kind of imagined his drain powers to be kind of slowly working, and that's why he hides out in his ship the whole time. But of course we don't know since we never actually saw him use it. But in the game, he was killed rather quickly once the sword-fighting started.
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Old 02-18-2007, 12:18 AM   #42
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^^ Nihilus was quick to defeat because he drained a wound in the force and weakened himself. Like other bosses, he was too easy and he just seemed easier because by that stage in the game your strength is through the roof and it wasn't like Darth Sion's battle which accounted for how powerful you could become.

Why do you think Sion is such a great duelist??? where is any evidence that he is any better at dueling than any other? I believe he LOOKS more like a maurauder like Darth Maul was rather than a Sithlord but we have no proof of this...
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Old 02-18-2007, 05:16 AM   #43
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Nihilus can use his power rather quickly. I hear people saying you can avoid it in the fight against him, but it always happens in my games, and it's always a cutscene that runs fairly quickly, and most of its length is due to the adverse effects the attempt to drain the exile has on Nihilus himself. It might take him longer to absorb an entire planet like Katarr, as judging from the comic book description of Katarr's destruction, lasted for a while. Then again, as Visas lies on the ground, suddenly Nihilus is there, meaning he must have taken a shuttle down to the planet... Anyway, it does't matter, because used in combat, the power is clearly just as instantaneous as any force power.


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Old 02-18-2007, 10:04 AM   #44
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How the heck do you figure that?! Darth Vader was a GREAT dualist! Darth Sion was good but Darth Vader is well... he is Vader! He would have defeated Sion imo...

And how the heck do you figure that Vader is a great duelist? By watching the movies? Jet Li would certainly defeat an episode 5 or 6 Vader in lightsaber combat. And he's not even force-sensitive (or maybe he is...)
And I would defeat the episode 4 vader in combat.

Now I know, that's a lame argument, since those movies are very old, but still, you can't say "Vader is a great duelist" just like that. Prove it.
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Old 02-18-2007, 11:37 AM   #45
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Old 02-18-2007, 01:49 PM   #46
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Vader is a great forceuser and duelist because Lucas says so.


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Old 02-18-2007, 02:13 PM   #47
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Vader was very skilled in using just one hand to attack with his lightsaber, very classical.The best lightsaber duelist in the bunch is Dooku though. I always liked Sion, very spooky. I would have to say Darth Maul or Dooku in the battle. The double-bladed lightsaber is very hard to master and Maul is one of the best.But what about classic Dark Jedi like Exar Kun and Freedon Nadd. You can't forget the Golden Age of the Sith either.


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Old 02-18-2007, 11:39 PM   #48
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Nihilus would win, no question.

@Kas’!m, how was what EagerWeasel said a black joke? Wouldn’t it have been a black joke if he said Nihilus would make Bane look like a nice plate of fried chicken and watermelon?

Let's not ask about that incident anymore ok? Thanks. -RH

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Old 02-19-2007, 01:29 AM   #49
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Vader is a great forceuser and duelist because Lucas says so.
that's right!

Darth Vader in Ep 4-6 is FAR FAR more powerful than Darth Vader in Ep 3... evidence??? Ep 3 Vader lost, Ep 4 Vader wins against the same opponent.

You are being very silly and judging Vader's saber skills by the films. Remember the first films are SO much older and dated whilst the new films have had 20 odd years (or whateva it is) to create the most intense looking fight scenes by attracting sword masters to do the corriography.

Vader STILL grew in power between Ep 3 and 4 but it was no where near as high as it would have been had he not been maimed.

I have to say Darth Tyranus was a great dualist and maybe the best (baring the classic Sith)

OK here are some basics that it seems some people don't know.

Q: Why are Jedi/Sith able to fight so fast and accurately?
A: Because they use the force to forsee what the other fighter is about to do, they are probably a few moves ahead of what is happening. This is why no ordinary warrior could beat them melee and how they deflect blaster shots.
HOWEVER: against other Jedi/Sith, they use the light/dark side to cloud the prediction of the opponent.

LIGHT SABER SKILLS ARE IN SIMILAR LINE WITH FORCE SKILLS AND SENSITIVITY

lol

Yoda would have defeated Dooku had he enough time (hense why dooku destracts him)
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Old 02-19-2007, 08:40 PM   #50
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Darth Vader in Ep 4-6 is FAR FAR more powerful than Darth Vader in Ep 3... evidence??? Ep 3 Vader lost, Ep 4 Vader wins against the same opponent.

You are being very silly and judging Vader's saber skills by the films. Remember the first films are SO much older and dated whilst the new films have had 20 odd years (or whateva it is) to create the most intense looking fight scenes by attracting sword masters to do the corriography.
Oh yea, God forbid you base your facts on the movies...

If you've never noticed, Obi-Wan let Vader win in Ep.4. Vader was a better duelist back in Ep.3 because then, he still had more limbs than he didn't have. It's much harder for a person with mechanical limbs to run around, do flips, and swing his lightsaber around really fast than it is for a fully-limbed person.


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Old 02-20-2007, 03:28 AM   #51
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Well, actually - says who? SW is very inconsistent in that matter:
Grievous: "Having mechanical limbs has made me a four armed demigod with five lightsabers who can easily dispatch of multiple jedi at once! And somehow through the process I've even become Force sensitive (Sifo Dyas' blood anyone?)"
Vader: "Well, having mechanical limbs has made me a stiffy old man with no Force powers"

I also prefer the idea that Vader indeed grew more powerful both physically and in the Force and that his reasons for not overthrowing the Emperor were more of psychological nature (Palpatine was the master of manipulation and Vader a rather broken but still loyal man, so IMO that's rather plausible).
Oh, I know Lucas said otherwise... but IMO the whole concept of "I lose a part of my body so I'm weaker in the Force" stinks - would that also make physically bigger jedi greater Force users? Sorry Yoda, you are just to small to be a great Force user.... :-/

Oh, concerning the topic: Vader - in all the movies Anakin/Vader is the epitome of power - and EU generally suffers from the "We need to make up something bigger/more powerful/more important than the movies" effect, so I don't care if Darth Nihilus could suck up the whole Galaxy if he wanted to - that's IMO more bad writing than canon of any form.
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Old 02-20-2007, 12:59 PM   #52
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Oh, concerning the topic: Vader - in all the movies Anakin/Vader is the epitome of power - and EU generally suffers from the "We need to make up something bigger/more powerful/more important than the movies" effect, so I don't care if Darth Nihilus could suck up the whole Galaxy if he wanted to - that's IMO more bad writing than canon of any form.
But it's still canon. The fact is, Nihilus can suck up life like a chocolate milkshake through a straw. It may be bad writing (well, I don't think it is, but you certainly can if you want to), but it's still true.


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Old 02-20-2007, 01:13 PM   #53
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But it's still canon. The fact is, Nihilus can suck up life like a chocolate milkshake through a straw. It may be bad writing (well, I don't think it is, but you certainly can if you want to), but it's still true.
Also note the downside of Nihilus. Sure, he can destroy planets...but that is all that he can do. He's just a monster, a barbaric animal with no humanity left in him. He given up everything, even the ability to speak normally, for this sort of "power"...but is it really that worthwhile?


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Old 02-20-2007, 05:57 PM   #54
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Also note the downside of Nihilus. Sure, he can destroy planets...but that is all that he can do. He's just a monster, a barbaric animal with no humanity left in him. He given up everything, even the ability to speak normally, for this sort of "power"...but is it really that worthwhile?
Well, Kreia sure didn't think so, and frankly I tend to agree with her - what good is all that power if you're a void who cannot enjoy it? Does Nihilus even have "power" in that sense? Not according to Kreia, who tells he is as much a slave to his power as anything.

Whether he "gave up" anything to possess that "power" is more uncertain, since we know so little of Nihilus' origin. Somehow I don't think it was ever a choice. Still, I think K3 may explain that a bit...


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Old 02-21-2007, 08:47 PM   #55
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Nihilus is probably the beginning of what Plagueis learned. Plagueis could touch all life through the Force. It may be the same power. Well, Kreia says it isn't "power."


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Old 02-22-2007, 02:27 AM   #56
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Vader is a great forceuser and duelist because Lucas says so.

And how to you rate Sion? I'm not too sure about it, but I don't recall Lucas saying anything in particular about his strength...

Hm... now how can we estimate him?
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Old 02-23-2007, 10:40 PM   #57
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Nihilus would not win really...Don't forget that He isn't a great Duelist,He can kill Worlds yes,but that Power has to have regenerating Limits ye' know?You left out Ajunta Pall,Marka Ragnos,Tulak Hord,Exar Kun,Naga Sadow...The Exile would win for sure.S/He was able to GIVE UP the Force,and still live after litterally slaughtering a World,and killing hundreds with the Mass Shadow Generator.S/He was able to defeat the Sith Trimvuate,and able to survive Kreia's Force Drain that would Kill someone and drain them of the Force.


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Old 02-24-2007, 05:33 AM   #58
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Assuming the other Sith realize that as well, what then?

They would team up against the Exile. Once he's dead, Nihilus starts with his drain.
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Old 02-24-2007, 11:49 AM   #59
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They would team up against the Exile. Once he's dead, Nihilus starts with his drain.
That's the problem with these "battle royale" type things. It seems to me everyone would just team up on whoever they think is the most powerful, get rid of that person, then team up on the next, and so on and so forth. Of course while they are busy with that, Nihilus is off getting a fork and knife...


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That's the problem with these "battle royale" type things. It seems to me everyone would just team up on whoever they think is the most powerful, get rid of that person, then team up on the next, and so on and so forth. Of course while they are busy with that, Nihilus is off getting a fork and knife...

Yeah, and I believe that each person on tis forum has a different opinion on who would team up with who. If teams stuff is included, it's nearly impossible to determine the victor.
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Old 02-24-2007, 05:33 PM   #61
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Yeah, and I believe that each person on tis forum has a different opinion on who would team up with who. If teams stuff is included, it's nearly impossible to determine the victor.
Yeah, well - you know what they say about opinions...


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Old 02-25-2007, 03:09 AM   #62
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Old 02-25-2007, 04:24 AM   #63
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Seriously, this should be more like a Tournament. 1 vs 1 duels, the winner moves on.

My bet on the final: Nihilus vs Exile, or Nihilus vs Revan, or Exile vs Revan.

Nihilus > everyone except Exile
Revan > everyone except Nihilus
Exile = Revan

That's just my personal opinion though.

Overall, Nihilus has the best chances, if Revan (or anyone really) eliminates the Exile. 1.) Nihilus 2.) Exile 3.) Revan
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