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Old 06-06-2006, 11:11 PM   #41
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Anyone got a second opinion? Maybe I'm dumb?
fighters are realy usefull to capture mines AND to zoom ahead to bring in rienforcements! other than that theyre pretty useless but for hyperspace scouts they can't be beat!!!!!!!!


and lo did the jawas use their many droids to destroy the entire empire in one blow.


or so they thought...
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Old 06-08-2006, 08:03 AM   #42
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IMHO the corvette damage against fighters and their HP vs. Capital ships should be decreased quite a bit (caps should maybe deal 1.3 - 1.5 times their current damage against corvettes), while the fighter damage vs fighters and bombers should be increased.
This way, a corvette could still take down a lot of fighters, but fighters would work better for covering capital ships and bombers (since they could take them down faster than corvettes).
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Old 06-12-2006, 03:20 PM   #43
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another use for fighters is keeping enimies busy while your capitol ships snek around lol.


and lo did the jawas use their many droids to destroy the entire empire in one blow.


or so they thought...
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Old 06-20-2006, 10:17 PM   #44
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i love my fighters and bombers(imps). when goin into battle i usually have a few tartans to protect my isd's vsd's etc, i group my fighters and bombers seperatly, send the fighters in firstm and sneak the bombers up slowly with the rest of my fleet. then when you can see there space station(if they have one) send the bombers to take out the hanger bay and then the shield gen, followed by proton torps and concusiion missiles, once there gone, they are expendable, but the whole point to sending you fighters in is to scout out the enemy and ditract them while you bring your main force up. courvettes and most ships will fire at the fighters, giving you time to take out their bigger ships.


they are also useful when the enemy have mauraders or broadsiders, send you main force up the middle, and as they are slow they will be attacked, but just before you do that send the fighters around the edge of the map and come from behind, if you stay behind them, they wont fire at anyone. yur main force will be generally ok.


all in all fighters, are generally cannon fodder, ut for this reason they are useful, bombers are great as a group of about 3 or 4 squads will take out a hard point in one hit
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Old 06-26-2006, 05:38 PM   #45
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EDIT: This applies only to rebels.

You guys are missing one big point when it comes to fighters: Capital ships have a very hard time hitting them. You can use corvettes in place of xwings or awings, but those corvettes will be destroyed very quickly by imperial capital ships. And then you wind up with a bunch of TIE bombers bearing down on you.

But if you have a few squads of xwings or awings, they can fly around relatively unmolested by the capital ships' big guns and take out those bombers. You have to worry about tartans and boba fett, but with a properly balanced fleet you will be ok. Make sure you target the tartans first. And when there's no bombers or TIE fighters around, they can get to work on shields and hardpoints. They do pretty well vs them actually.

There's another plus to using fighters (as rebels): You may force the imperials to build more and more tartans. That severely weakens his fleet. Sometimes in team games I just flood the battle with fighters while my teammates use capital ships. The imperials can either respond to that by building more anti-fighter ships, weakening their fleet overall in the process, or ignore it and watch their fleet slowly succumb. You'd be surprised what a couple fighters can accomplish when tartans and boba fett aren't in abundance.

Only rebels can get away with using fighters though. TIE fighters are nothing more than annoying gnats and no self respecting imperial ever builds them.
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Old 07-01-2006, 03:10 PM   #46
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Of course no self respekting Imp builds them, we get 'em free. Thats our benefitt. They are the second most cost effective ship in the game, only after the bomber.


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Old 07-03-2006, 04:33 AM   #47
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EDIT: This applies only to rebels.

You guys are missing one big point when it comes to fighters: Capital ships have a very hard time hitting them. You can use corvettes in place of xwings or awings, but those corvettes will be destroyed very quickly by imperial capital ships. And then you wind up with a bunch of TIE bombers bearing down on you.

But if you have a few squads of xwings or awings, they can fly around relatively unmolested by the capital ships' big guns and take out those bombers. You have to worry about tartans and boba fett, but with a properly balanced fleet you will be ok. Make sure you target the tartans first. And when there's no bombers or TIE fighters around, they can get to work on shields and hardpoints. They do pretty well vs them actually.
You know, I wish that were true so much - however it is my experience that right now a single corvette can take down a squadron of fighters much faster that the whole rest of your fleet can take down that corvette ... :-(
The AI is rather fond of this tactic: they often send a single Tartan into my rebel fleet. However, instead of laughing and shooting it down, I have to frantically move my fighters to the edge of the map to prevent them from being annihilated ... :-/
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Old 07-03-2006, 12:28 PM   #48
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Well the fighters arent comepletly usefull...

If you quickly destroy corvetes you can use the fighters to draw enemy fire from stations and capital ships while your bombers take their shields down.

And like said above, without x-wings and ties it just wouldnt be the "real" star wars...

Anyway, reminds me of a case when it was just like this:

2x X-Wing + 1x A-Wing + ION CANNON Versus 1x CPT. PIET

Lol, i won!

Ion cannon was keeping the ship disabled while i first destroyed the fighters it managed to launch and then I simply destroyed the hardpoints.

But i won mainly because of the Ion cannon, which is another story....
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Old 07-20-2006, 09:49 PM   #49
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HELOOOOO!!!!!!!!!


you all seem to be ignoring my point which is that fighters can zoom over behind the enemy base, hyperspace in a helofalota capitols and blow away the base in less than 5 mins!


and lo did the jawas use their many droids to destroy the entire empire in one blow.


or so they thought...
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Old 07-21-2006, 09:55 AM   #50
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So? Keep some of your own capital ships close to your base to deal with them.


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Old 07-23-2006, 04:55 AM   #51
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HELOOOOO!!!!!!!!!


you all seem to be ignoring my point which is that fighters can zoom over behind the enemy base, hyperspace in a helofalota capitols and blow away the base in less than 5 mins!
I may be wrong, but IMO scouting should best be done by scouts - fighters shouldn't be scouts, they should be .. fighters!
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Old 07-29-2006, 08:58 AM   #52
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Fighters in 1.04

You had a limited number, and because of tier 1 corvs and tartans you dont really want to build more. this was in noway a bad thing since it made you think about what you had to use them for

uses -
Primarily you used them to seek mines , then drop off a raiding corv.
They can be used to tag turrets
they can be used to supplement the battle between a corv and tartan..might give you that "edge"
they can be used to distract turrets
they can be used to sit near mines to give players options to hyper stuff in
they can sit on mines, and wait for the right time to build on them when they are safe.
they can contest a mine stalling an enemy from building on it

the important thing however is that you only have 3 fighters meaning you have to be Smart in what you use them for.

Fighters in 1.05

Crap crap crap .With no tier 1 corvs and tartans all you do is make fighters. Drag and drop , drag and drop. watch a big spam of uncontrolled dogfights where you see these little icons stack up. Wow great fun. Build , drag and drop...boring. No more limitations on fighters making you think smartly how to use them..all you do is make tons and send them in. No need to smartly move them since you can drop em anywhere. Its as fun as rearranging windows folders. no wonder people have to tier up ..cos its ****. Fighters are ****e , and in FoC guess what! they are makeing them stronger meaning your FORCED to build and watch the uncontrolled dogfights and spam.
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Old 10-02-2006, 02:24 PM   #53
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Fighters are to avoid massive amounts of laser fire and manuever between the major battles. Not to mention, fighters are very useful when capturing mines and distracting larger spacecraft.
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Old 10-02-2006, 03:02 PM   #54
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Fighters and bombers have always had their place and importance in EaW. Furthermore, 1.05 made fighters all the more important. I used fighters (especially Rebel A wings) to do a number of things from run interference for my capital ships (properly placed a fighter can take some of the turbolaser fire for your Nebulon-B or whatever ships you are using) to destroying a Space Station entirely. A-wings are also useful in thwarting a TIE bomber rush because they can distract them with their special ability so your Corellian Corvettes can do their job. 4-5 squads of A-wings, micromanaged properly, can take out a Tartan Patrol Cruiser. Bombers can easily take down capital ships (I used 4 squads of Y wings to cripple a SSD the other day in multiplayer) if the capital ships have no bomber support. Every unit on EaW has it's purpose (except Interdictors, they are pointless).

I will say that Y-wings are quite retarded as compared to TIE bombers, as they seem to fancy flying around targets and doing barrelrolls rather than hitting targets *growl*

Edit: I am referring to online multiplayer games only, Interdictors are useless for that sort of game unless playing a campaign game.




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Old 10-02-2006, 03:11 PM   #55
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Sorry to change subject, but Interdictors are very important for an attacking imperial fleet!, to kill every rebel unit is a blessing, against a human player or a computer.
The interdictor's purpose is to stop retreats. But fighters have always have their purpose, besides without them the Death Star could not be killed, nor could easily wipe out a rebel fleet (with some exceptions).



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Old 10-02-2006, 04:44 PM   #56
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And speaking of Interdictors, the ability to jam incoming missiles is nothing to scoff at either. 3-4 Broadsides/Marauders can make short work of your fleet unless you can jam their incoming missiles.

Back on topic, though: It will be quite interesting to see what the new fighters in FoC (Phantoms, Defenders, B-wings) does for the Empire and Rebels. That's not even considering the Consortium and their fighters.


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Old 10-02-2006, 08:18 PM   #57
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Not to mention fighters can murder the imperial fleet's interdictors if they have no fighter support (if they don't then the enemy is just a stupid human player or the AI )


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Old 10-02-2006, 08:24 PM   #58
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that or their pop cap has been used up one reason not to use eaw without mods. Fighters have their uses a cheap fast way to take out the bomber squads that their your capital ships to peices, and yet another great reason to use mods. Also in swarms the can do quite a bit of damage to corvettes and frigates, same as above statements.


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Old 10-02-2006, 09:49 PM   #59
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I think the Rebels should get one, maybe two ships that are carriers. After all, the Imperials can hyper in some ships, why not allow the Rebels to have some carriers? For example: the Quasar Fire-class.
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Old 10-02-2006, 11:17 PM   #60
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Rebel fighters can all hyper in, so carriers are not a necessity. One of the reasons why some want to see a Rebel Carrier is the Empire's free fighters versus the Rebels' costly ones. Rebel players tend to dislike them because of the pop limit and their rather low cost-effectiveness.


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Old 10-03-2006, 10:35 AM   #61
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Yeah, that's the point, free fighters. I find fighters extremely useful in taking down capital ships and space stations, so I hate it when they all die, because it's much harder to take down the larger Imperial ships without bombers.
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Old 11-06-2006, 02:39 PM   #62
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The game screws with the definitions of these ships. That's the prob.

A Corvette has like 2 guns. How can it annihilate fighters? The Imperial "Tartan" or whatever is stupid too. Imperials should have a Lancer frigate. That is a ship designed for whipping fighters asses.

They balanced the crap out of the game with no regard for the true ship designs laid down in many books over the years. This is why I haven't played anything but the demo. That was enough for me. Rebellion is the superior game.

The developers basically ignored every good game to come out of LucasArts. I could lay to waste a Corvette with one X-Wing or TIE Advanced in the X-Wing/TIE Fighter/XWA. A TIE Bomber with torpedos could cripple one quick. That's how it should be.
In either of those games I could lay waste to an ISD and even the SSD (took an insane amount of time, however). It was fun to have a single fighter be able to do so much, though a bit unrealistic. EEA has taken it to the other extreme, however.


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Old 11-07-2006, 01:44 PM   #63
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i quite like fighters, apart from when there is a corvette or otherwise around - they are fast and can evade the capital ships that people seem to load up on once they reach the highest tech level the bombers are extremely useful and i always keep a squad in my reinforcements thing just in case a nasty destroyer appears out of nowhere, then i have something to counteract it - they are also very cheap - just watch out for those stupid corvettes and such


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Old 02-25-2007, 03:28 PM   #64
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2 good uses for rebel fighters in GC:
1. As a tactical reserve.
Never deploy fighters the way the computer automatically does in front of your frigates and corvettes as the first thing the AI throws at you are the tartans. Before the battle find out how many tartans there are. Once you've destroy all the tartans with your frigates the fighters will cause merry hell in the capital ship ranks as X-wings are much more rounded and carry torpedos (could be a mod i've got running). If there's tartan garrison you need to get rid of the hangar - rush Y wings or fight with frigates.

Anywho you've got rid of the tartans and now Y wings can slaughter capital ships getting key hardpoints (shield generators make things so much quicker when they're in pieces) on all of the capital ships, X wings can do a multitude of roles - fighter or bomber - and A wings come into their own as in close quarters they are actually better at destroying fighters than corvettes as the corvettes need to manuvour to a good firing position.

2. As a full assault force.
Suppose a planet has two hypervelocity guns as one did that I had to take (knew because R2D2 and C3PO found out). An attack force with just fighters will take the place by storm without a hypervelocity bullet being shot at the precious mon cals. Jobs a good'n'.

Everyone seems to think the corvettes are stupidly good against fighters. If no corvette ever meets my fighters my fighters can kick sweet imperial ass.
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