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Old 03-12-2007, 07:44 AM   #1
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What's wrong with Vong? [NJO & legacy comics spoilers]

Hi. Over in the Coruscant Entertainment Centre, I'm currently writing a FanFic including certain members of the Yuuhzan Vong. I've delibrately tried to avoid anything too 'Vongy' and been systematically removed thing like amphistaffs & Dovin Basals in order to try and make it more appeasing.

Obviously, there is a rather big void between those who liked the New Jedi Order and those who didn't, but I'm not trying to spark off a debate over whether or not they were actually any good.

In order to increase the quality of my Fanfic, my Question to those who disliked them is therefore this : What was wrong with the Vong? Specifically.

Was it the fact that they basically fought using snakes? Did they remind you too much of the Borg from Star Trek? Did the way they kept refering to Jedi as Jeedai begin grating on you by the end of Vector Prime? Was it just the fact that they killed off one of your beloved childhood heroes in the very first book?

What was it about them that really got to you? Oh, and you can't just say 'everything'.

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Old 03-12-2007, 08:56 AM   #2
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For me it's the fact that i don't like most vong related storilines beyond Rotj. They destroyed almost every planet and it just seems like a typical enemy progression "Oooh an enemy immune to the force". People could see it a mile off, i just think they should have been abit more inventive and not have destroyed almost every planet in the galaxy. They just suck. Imho. :/


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Old 03-12-2007, 02:29 PM   #3
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I'm with HerbieZ. In the movies we see: Emperor dead -> galaxy free.
Obviously that's not very fun EU, so at first the conflict with the Empire is stretched and stretched and ... stretched again (Oh, another Warlord; and another warlord. And a genius admiral who somehow was absent during the most important battle. And each time our heroes are in mortal danger and the fate of the galaxy is at stake, of course)
After the Empire is finally defeated, we somehow get ... strange overpowered aliens invading from another galaxy who want to conquer/destroy everything. Who could have ever thought of something like that?
That concept is just so old and unimaginative ... I can't see how this can be taken seriously :-/
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Old 03-12-2007, 03:11 PM   #4
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As YertyL. The reason the Vong were lame is because they distracted from the SW. They were a random evil race tossed in by George Luas to make money. I thought it's a battle between Sith and Jedi, LS and DS.

The main thing is that the Vong COULD have been anicent Sith. They could have been the original Sith race, the one that started up the whle Sith Order. George Lucas vetoed it though because we might have gotten confused between the 'true' Sith and the false Sith that follow from them. If the Vong were anicent Sith, then I think there would be less opposition...they're Sith, after all, and therefore fits within Star Wars.

What I worry is that the True Sith is following in the footsteps of "Vong" in being a supervillian race. We have not seen them, but we do see their effects, which makes many people anticpate them. I really hope the designers of K3 do something different than what the NJO writers did and hopefully redeem them.


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Old 03-12-2007, 04:02 PM   #5
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I liked the Vong and the New Jedi Order. It was different from the usual New Republic era storyline. Then again, I'm a sucker for the Solo kids.

The only thing that probably got to me is a resemblance to the Borg, but it's a small resemblance. It doesn't bother me that much.

In the end, it's all a matter of personal preference, and I think there's a whole thread of people arguing over this matter in the EU forum.
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Old 03-12-2007, 04:40 PM   #6
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I didn't like the Vong much because they didn't feel very...Star-Warsy to me. To me things like KotOR have storylines much more Star Wars-like than the NJO. In addition, there weren't any opposing Sith instigating anything with the NJO; the only dark jedi were from the 'good' guys. I didn't care for that either. I like reading about Jedi, not a lame race made up simply to be different and provide powerful opposition to the New Republic after the fall of the Empire. There's plenty of stories left to tell in the universe without having to do that.


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Old 03-12-2007, 05:11 PM   #7
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There's plenty of stories left to tell in the universe without having to do that.
Really? I would really like to know. I don't think smashing some annyoing little gang or stopping the Diversty Alliance would do the trick...(it sounds scarscam but it really isn't, I would like to know, I always thought LA had to do it because they had no other choice.)

What I would like to see is the Jedi realizing that they have unbalanced the universe by making it too Light Sided, and to save the galaxy from losing meaning, some of the Jedi must fall to the Dark Side.


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Old 03-12-2007, 05:23 PM   #8
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There are incredibly few SW stories based on true Imperial characters (as the protagonist), and no books that I know of. I would personally love to see a book on Admiral Pellaeon, who is probably the most interesting Imperial character I've read about. Right now, though, it's all about Jedi and farmboys and the Vong. Don't get me wrong, I like Jedi, but there's other things stories could be made from.


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Old 03-12-2007, 05:51 PM   #9
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There are incredibly few SW stories based on true Imperial characters (as the protagonist), and no books that I know of. I would personally love to see a book on Admiral Pellaeon, who is probably the most interesting Imperial character I've read about. Right now, though, it's all about Jedi and farmboys and the Vong. Don't get me wrong, I like Jedi, but there's other things stories could be made from.
Ah. I would also like to learn about General Thrawn as well...he looks to be an evil villian, he's the one that came up with the Takrin Doctrine that calls for using the "threat of force" in stead of actual force...the most stupidest doctrine, in hindsight, but a good idea at the time.

If the LS-aligned fans want to see a book based on good guys, they could have a good guy be the "protaganist", as he serves for the bad guys and do their dirty work. The bad guy get all the screen-time...and the good guy gets quickly forgotten. Or you know what, forget sastifiying the LS-aligned fans. The BFII's story mode (Rise of the Empire) is a great example of showing the viewpoints of the Empire, and they should have done that a lot.

If goody two-shoers don't like those books...then they don't buy them.


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Old 03-12-2007, 06:14 PM   #10
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I didn't like the Vong much because they didn't feel very...Star-Warsy to me.
Yeah me too. I don't hate the Vong with a passion like some of the other forum members, but nothing beats classic Star Wars.


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Old 03-12-2007, 06:46 PM   #11
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I rather liked the Vong, they added a breath of fresh air into an EU that had become overly predictable, and lame with the same boring battles between the New republic and The Imperial Remnant, with the same boring outcome, sweeping republic victory. It got to a point where i didnt even want to read the books anymore, because it was always the same outcome.

Not to mention the villains that were being put forth by the Remnant were totally lame. Thrawn was cool, but hes been gone since the last command. Zsinj was a fat toad, and Daala was horrible. The Vong introducedd some sinister new evils, that posed a real threat, and caused real damagae on a galactic scale, and even accomplished what had needed to happen, the death of the New Republic. I personally would love to see the Vong resurface again, and become major players on a galactic scale.


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Old 03-12-2007, 07:00 PM   #12
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It got to a point where i didnt even want to read the books anymore, because it was always the same outcome.
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Dude, the Imperial Remeant easily crushed the corrupt Republic in the current Legacy comic books. They are now a huge empire, and the Jedi have became quite weak.


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I personally would love to see the Vong resurface again, and become major players on a galactic scale.
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Current retcon states that the Empire, after taking over the Republic, did a genocide of the Vong. They're all dead.


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"The Cambodian government has established many exciting-sounding 're-education camps' where both intellectuals and everyday citizens can be sent at any time," Day said. Well, we at Barnes & Noble have always supported re-education in America, and we intend to extend this policy to our new customers." For every hardcover book sold, Barnes & Noble will donate a dollar to the Cambodian government to help re-educate local children.
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Old 03-12-2007, 07:51 PM   #13
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Ouch dude, major spoiler alert. Still waiting for the Legacy comics to be TPB'd.
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Old 03-12-2007, 08:07 PM   #14
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Thanks for everyone's replies. Nice to see everything hasn't turned into a complete Yuuzhan Vong condemnation.
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Old 03-12-2007, 09:11 PM   #15
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Dude, the Imperial Remeant easily crushed the corrupt Republic in the current Legacy comic books. They are now a huge empire, and the Jedi have became quite weak.




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Current retcon states that the Empire, after taking over the Republic, did a genocide of the Vong. They're all dead.
Interesting. I haven't had a chance to take to much of a look at the Legacy comics. But to me it seems that Darth Krayt is one seriously kool looking dude.


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"The failure is yours, no longer does your voice whisper within my skull, no longer do I suffer beneath teachings that weaken us, and now you run in search of the Jedi. They are all dead....save one, and one broken Jedi cannot stop the darkness that is to come."
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Old 03-13-2007, 10:40 AM   #16
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As YertyL. The reason the Vong were lame is because they distracted from the SW. They were a random evil race tossed in by George Luas to make money. I thought it's a battle between Sith and Jedi, LS and DS.
George Lucas has actually nothing to do with event in the EU.

Than the Vong, they look real neat and all. Only the storyline doesn't do it. They don't suck IMO but they are the one of weakest of all EU story's.
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Old 03-13-2007, 11:30 AM   #17
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George Lucas has actually nothing to do with event in the EU.
Misconception, true, but George Lucas do get at least SOME profit from the EU, right? I usually use Lucas as a symbol to reprsent all of Star Wars' managers.


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Old 03-13-2007, 12:11 PM   #18
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Misconception, true, but George Lucas do get at least SOME profit from the EU, right? I usually use Lucas as a symbol to reprsent all of Star Wars' managers.
Whilst Lucas himself does not strictly write the storylines or come up with various EU characters, he still has the final say on what gets used and what doesn't. He does offer direct input in some ways with various EU sources.


"Have you come here for answers? There are none. The call of Korriban is strong, but it is the call of the dead. It is fitting you came here."

"The failure is yours, no longer does your voice whisper within my skull, no longer do I suffer beneath teachings that weaken us, and now you run in search of the Jedi. They are all dead....save one, and one broken Jedi cannot stop the darkness that is to come."
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Old 03-15-2007, 07:38 PM   #19
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I think that my problem with the Vong is the same as has already been mentioned. The Alliance wins this huge victory, the Emperor is dead, the New Republic is trying to find itself and here comes this super enemy that wipes out almost everything. I don't know...just seemed kinda wrong to me.


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Old 03-16-2007, 03:58 AM   #20
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Whilst Lucas himself does not strictly write the storylines or come up with various EU characters, he still has the final say on what gets used and what doesn't. He does offer direct input in some ways with various EU sources.
Hehe, do you know this GL quote?
"Which brings us up to the films 4, 5, and 6, in which Anakin's offspring redeem him and allow him to fulfill the prophecy where he brings Balance to the Force by doing away with the Sith and getting rid of evil in the universe..."
That makes it hard to believe that he cares much about post-ROTJ EU...
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