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Old 09-15-2006, 04:31 AM   #81
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I'd love to see some sales figures on this set.
I have a feeling we won't get honest numbers on this, but rather some inflated figures combined with LEGO Star Wars II (much like what was done with SWBF/2004 DVDs).




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Jeez. I am confused on what to do. Should I keep them or should I sell them? Though, I'd admitted I rushed the purchase of these DVDs. I may just return them and re-buy them at a cheaper price. And that will be that. Since, I want the "original" original movies.

Though, it would be wise if Lucas waited till the time the date that he will stop selling this DVDs to announce what's up with the 30th anniversary editions.
All things being equal, this set is much more worth getting than the 2004 set (1 bonus disc < 3 original versions) even if you're spending up to 10 bucks more, total.

Keep your bonus disc 4, sell the rest, get this one.

(though perhaps I'd keep the original set, and just sell the 2004 discs out of the new set, since their disc covers are uglier... gold lettering, giant "widescreen" "copyright warnings" and FBI logo to mar the design).

The thing is, the 2005 set was "limited edition" and it was sold side by side with the 2004 set. If they don't get sold, they just remain on shelves and confuse customers (though in the above case, it didn't matter, because one was just an extra disc and cost slightly more in different packaging). Lucas wins because no matter what version you buy, you're getting his 2004 "definitive" (until may 2007 that is!) version of the trilogy.


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Old 09-15-2006, 09:12 AM   #82
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All things being equal, this set is much more worth getting than the 2004 set (1 bonus disc < 3 original versions) even if you're spending up to 10 bucks more, total.

Keep your bonus disc 4, sell the rest, get this one.

(though perhaps I'd keep the original set, and just sell the 2004 discs out of the new set, since their disc covers are uglier... gold lettering, giant "widescreen" "copyright warnings" and FBI logo to mar the design).

The thing is, the 2005 set was "limited edition" and it was sold side by side with the 2004 set. If they don't get sold, they just remain on shelves and confuse customers (though in the above case, it didn't matter, because one was just an extra disc and cost slightly more in different packaging). Lucas wins because no matter what version you buy, you're getting his 2004 "definitive" (until may 2007 that is!) version of the trilogy.
I wanna say Commander only has the new dvd set, I remember him saying. Amiright?

But I'm considering doing your idea of selling the 2004 ones and keeping the bonus disk 4, that would be great.


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Old 09-15-2006, 03:09 PM   #83
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Yeah. I have decided to return them at the store I bought. Mainly because I think I may have rushed the purchase of the DVDs (as you may see, before I wasn't even close to think about purchasing them). And like I said before, I may just re-buy them in December or I might just get them for my birthday or by Christmas.

Though, it would help to know what is to come with the new set that is being released next year.


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Old 09-15-2006, 07:05 PM   #84
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Though, it would help to know what is to come with the new set that is being released next year.
But that's not going to happen because if that info was given then nobody would buy these dvds besides collectors.


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Old 09-15-2006, 07:11 PM   #85
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I know that it wouldn't make much sense financially. Though, it depends what coming with the new collectors set. The DVDs that just came out might not be part of the set. That's why I do difficult to choose whether or not to keep or buy this DVDs.


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Old 09-16-2006, 02:46 AM   #86
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Yeah. I have decided to return them at the store I bought. Mainly because I think I may have rushed the purchase of the DVDs (as you may see, before I wasn't even close to think about purchasing them). And like I said before, I may just re-buy them in December or I might just get them for my birthday or by Christmas.

Though, it would help to know what is to come with the new set that is being released next year.

Rumor has it, Lucas is just tweaking the 2004 OT even more and making "special editions" of the prequels too (though we only know that Episode I will have CG Yoda for sure, and probably a "digital restoration" so it doesn't look so overly sharpened, and probably will be made "video-ized" (grain removed) to match the other movies). And then a disc of extras, people are hoping deleted scenes from the Original Trilogy, but that's just rumor for now.

Nothing about the Original Original Trilogy, so presumably this is our "last chance" until Lucas changes his mind again (and they said nothing of course of next generation formats). Many people presume they're just lying, and really they'll release it again and say that since it's in a new box-set or is restored, then it's not really a "re-release." Who knows.

But for now it seems like if you want the best set available right now, get this one, forget the others (order the "Bonus Materials" disc 4 from the 2004 set if you really want it, off amazon or ebay, or just rent it and watch it once).


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Old 09-16-2006, 02:50 AM   #87
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Merged the threads on the 2006 editions.


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Rumor has it, Lucas is just tweaking the 2004 OT even more and making "special editions" of the prequels too (though we only know that Episode I will have CG Yoda for sure, and probably a "digital restoration" so it doesn't look so overly sharpened, and probably will be made "video-ized" (grain removed) to match the other movies). And then a disc of extras, people are hoping deleted scenes from the Original Trilogy, but that's just rumor for now.

Nothing about the Original Original Trilogy, so presumably this is our "last chance" until Lucas changes his mind again (and they said nothing of course of next generation formats). Many people presume they're just lying, and really they'll release it again and say that since it's in a new box-set or is restored, then it's not really a "re-release." Who knows.

But for now it seems like if you want the best set available right now, get this one, forget the others (order the "Bonus Materials" disc 4 from the 2004 set if you really want it, off amazon or ebay, or just rent it and watch it once).
"Lucas is just tweaking the 2004 OT "
Lol... I like how casual this sentence is. "Lucas is just tweaking the 2004 OT." Lol... You know what that means. Lol... Complete revision of scenes, and several excuses on why he altered them.

I wouldn't mind seeing a digital Yoda in Episode I. I think that would be cool. At least he will not look like Archie Bunker. Lol...

I can see it now, "I decided to go back, and Make Jar-Jar Binks into a Jedi.". This would be the shot heard around the world, and the entire Star Wars franchise falls into the abyss of hell. Lol...

Serious note: I don't see in anyway that he could improve Episode I, III, or III. Since I personally believe Episode I & II were horrible, I can only see bad things in the future. Well, thank god they are not apart of the 2004 set.

When it comes to Episode IV, V, VI, I think someone needs to lock George into a closet. Some of the changes he made to the originals were necessary and cool, but there were some that are very argumentative.

I would make an argument of, "Get them before they are ruined." You never know what the 30th aniversary eddition will be like. He may decide to replace Vader's head with his own.



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Old 09-16-2006, 01:30 PM   #89
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Honestly I don't think CG Yoda would improve Episode I at all. Yes, it would appear more "consistent" with Episode II and III, but the puppet does so little (other than sit/stand there and talk) that it's really a waste. Second, while the movie was the least of the Star Wars series IMHO (the only thing making it stand out was the excellent saber fight at the end, which trumps all the others in the movies, again IMHO), at least the muppet Yoda was funny. He looked STONED, leading to all kinds of great jokes and imaginary scenarios. Take that out and replace it with a decent looking CG version, and that source of entertainment is gone...

Anyway, that's my view on it. A better digital transfer of Episode I would be nice, but the content (the movie itself) doesn't change, and so my liking or disliking it isn't affected (arguably comedy potential is reduced).


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Old 09-16-2006, 03:44 PM   #90
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Actually, I think I like the change, just because the puppet Yoda in episodes V and VI just makes him look old, not like a puppet, but then when you see him as a puppet in episode I and then CGI in episodes II and III, it looks really inconsistent. The puppet gives him more of a moldy/old look. But then again, I like the puppet more, and wish they went with the original plan to only make him CGI in-battle... poor Frank Oz, his hard work in TPM will go unnoticed.


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Old 09-16-2006, 04:03 PM   #91
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Well the thing is Yoda IS old. He was a puppet in Episode V and VI, and so that to me is the "real" Yoda. Yes, it's true in Episode I it was a different puppet than was used in the classic trilogy, but still. It's like CG Jabba. Sure, the new CG Jabba looks much better than the old CG Jabba, but it's still just an interpretation of the "real" Jabba, the puppet used in ROTJ.

I thought the Yoda puppet in Episode I was pretty cool, and it was funny looking. Had I never seen any of the other movies, I'd think it was the real Yoda. Since he's not leaping around having a saber fight with anyone, there is really need for him to be CG, except a sense of "consistency." But consistency can be taken too far. We could replace Sir Alec Guinness with Ewan McGregor (either in old age makeup, or wait until he's the right age and then CG him in), for example. Or insert the actor who plays "young" Captain Antilles into Star Wars. Or Beru and Owen from Episode III in middle age makeup (or when they reach the right age) into Episode IV.

We could put Hayden with his scarring makeup in the unmasking scene in Episode VI.

We could replace the puppet Yoda in ESB and ROTJ with CG Yoda.

We could make the stormtroopers in the classic trilogy CG, and give them all Jango Fett's voice and height (and even give them colored markings on their armor). We could give R2D2 booster rockets. We could make Ben an Darth flip around and throw force powers at each other during their battle on the Death Star. It would just be silly...

Eventually you get to the point when you might as well just remake the movies entirely, using fresh actors and CG.


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Old 09-16-2006, 05:47 PM   #92
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You make some really good points. I enjoyed the puppet version of Yoda in Episode IV, V, and VI. At least there is some type of physical prop, and Yoda looks more geniune.



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Old 09-16-2006, 08:53 PM   #93
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Not to nitpick (okay I guess I am), but Yoda wasn't in Episode IV (not even in the SE's!).

Otherwise I agree!


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Old 09-16-2006, 10:23 PM   #95
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I agree about the puppet yoda, I actually liked the puppet in Episode I. I bet they will change it to CG just because we've seen a preview of the CG one, in one of the bonus disks, can't remember which (episode 3?), but I certainly wouldn't be disappointed if they kept him as a puppet.


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Not to nitpick (okay I guess I am), but Yoda wasn't in Episode IV (not even in the SE's!).

Otherwise I agree!
Lol... D'uh. Lol...

I must have suffered from a senior moment. Lol...



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Old 09-17-2006, 01:39 AM   #97
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I wouldn't mind if Yoda is digital or a puppet. It wouldn't make much of a diiference to me.

We could change many of the things you list, but if it happened it would ruin it. I don't think many changes are necessary to be made for this upcoming set next year.


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Old 09-17-2006, 03:36 AM   #98
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Yeah, but when has "unnecessary" ever been a word that stopped Lucas in the past?


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Yep. Too bad it's not anamorphic and lacks the original theatrical soundtracks.

Now THAT would truly be the "purist" version of the new Millennium!

Hopefully the fan editors will get to work with this new source material...


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Old 12-29-2006, 07:03 PM   #101
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Honestly I don't think CG Yoda would improve Episode I at all.
Lol.. Only getting drunk will improve your view of Episode I.

I know. I know the post was old, but I had to add to his comments.



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It's really cool to finally have the unaltered original trilogy (in other words, the way things *really* happen in Star Wars) on DVD. Even though George is being absurdly stubborn by not giving us a new transfer, at least this is a start. For the rumored 30th anniversary Star Wars boxed set, a new anamorphic transfer from the fully restored master film prints of the unaltered original trilogy should be included.

As far as changes to Episode I, I'd actually prefer to keep Yoda as he is. Or at least have an option to view Episode I with the new transfer, but without any of these changes in the 2007 set. It would be cool to have an option to watch Episode I and see in the movie all of the duel of Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan versus Darth Maul.

I assume there won't be many changes in Episodes II and III, but it would be nice to be able to watch in the movie the full length duel between Obi-Wan and Count Dooku, and also Yoda versus Count Dooku, in Episode II.
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I'd like to add (especially for anyone who has read this thread all the way through) some things now that I've seen my copies of the 2006 set many times, to clarify some things that I said or speculated about that were not quite accurate:

- These sets are STILL AVAILABLE in stores (check the bargain bin). The "limited edition" thing was just a marketing ploy and they didn't sell as many as they had hoped, probably because most customers are utterly confused, with three different "Star Wars trilogy" sets sitting side by side on store shelves. I bet a lot of people think it's just the 2004 version again wrapped individually or something (the two other sets aren't even LABELLED as the 'special editions' they just say "Star Wars Trilogy" or "Episodes IV, V, VI"). So contrary to all our fears, these were NOT pulled from store shelves on Jan 1st. If stores in your area don't carry them, you can order them off amazon, ebay or equivalent. They're pretty cheap these days, even new.

- Yes, the "Bonus Materials" disc that originally was exclusive to the 2004 box set is still available. You can purchase it online (Amazon.com has it, for less than $10 usually).

- The collector's tin is still available (order online) but it's over $100. Be advised, all this is is the three 2006 (2 disc) sets tossed into a metal box, that you used to be able to buy at Best Buy for $10 more than buying them individually.

- I bought the special wal-mart deal where each movie came in a cheap cardboard box (same packaging for each movie, only the front cover is different, a pic of the DVD and a pic of the comic cvover). The comics are just reprints of the Dark Horse collections (themselves reprints of the Marvel Comics vintage "movie" adaptations that have been RE-COLORED to match the movies... so no red lightsabers for everyone in the original Star Wars, no blue Yoda, etc). Unlike the vintage comics, the "reader mail" "pin up section" and "intro" boards for each issue are removed in these versions. Still, pretty cool.

- The 2006 "bonus discs" come with no extras, except each one has an (identical) Xbox demo of "Lego Star Wars II: The Original Trilogy" and an (identical) trailer for the game. There's no commentary or other bonuses.

- The 2004 discs that are included in the set are identical to the 2004 cuts of the movies already released, and have the same audio commentaries and other options. They have all the same flaws too, nothing has been fixed or changed. The disc artwork matches the 2005 sets (FBI logo and different fonts added to the 2004 disc art). Some have speculated that these are actually unsold stock from the 2005 "limited edition" (the only thing "limited edition" about that set was the cardboard box it came in!).

- The opening crawl in "Star Wars" (1977, bonus disc) IS how it was from 1977-1980. There's NO "episode iv: a new hope" and everything else is perfect. Upon closer inspection I think this was re-created with the original elements (not in CG). The only thing stopping me from saying it IS the 1977 original crawl is that the shot of Alderaan's moon as the camera pans down right before the Tantive IV flies into view looks different (more detailed and "half moonish" if that's a word) than the shots I've seen of the laserdiscs.

- Yes, the color quality IS better than the laserdiscs. The picture is sharper and there's better balance and the colors are accurate. This LOOKS better than any Laserdisc I've ever seen, including bootleg transfers that fans have put onto DVD. And on TV it looks better than VHS.

- Sadly, if you have a widescreen TV, and view it in "zoomed" or "stretched" mode, the second line of subtitles (Greedo scene, Jabba scenes or watching the movie on CC) will be chopped off. Thus you either have to watch it unzoomed to get that...

However some people have told me that certain DVD players have a Zoom feature that DOES show all the subtitles. If you're lucky enough to own one of these, then you're set!

- Yes, there are little problems in the video here and there (that really should have been fixed before they transferred it), some ghosting and color blips. But unless you're paying super close attention or sitting really close to a big screen, you aren't likely to notice.

- It's been confirmed by official sources that these are definately the 1993 master tapes used to create the LaserDiscs. The only thing different is the opening crawl for Star Wars (no word on if it's re-created or original, but I suspect it's re-created from the original elements, unless they just inserted a new moon in 1993 before they started doing the other SE changes).

- The sound on the "bonus discs" (the theatrical 2006 discs) is the same audio mix that accompanied the movie on Laserdisc in the 80's. It sounds good but it's Dolby 2.0 only. The first sound track for the theatrical Star Wars was actually the six channel stereo, but at the time few theaters had the capability to handle it, so they quickly produced a stereo and mono mix. Sadly none of these mixes are present on the DVD (but can be found on the 'net, and fans are working on creating their own versions that incorporate these mixes). The home video versions all used blends of the different theatrical soundtracks. So in this version you won't hear the "magnum" blaster rifles, Threepio doesn't explain the tractor beam, but Han says "trust me" and Luke says R2 is lucky he doesn't taste very good. Blast it BIGGS where are you, there's no "close the blast doors!" before "open the blast doors." The side of the street is secure (not "the door's locked"), etc.

- The "30th Anniversary Edition" of the DVDs that was long rumored was cancelled. No new DVDs are going to be released in the foreseeable future. The 30th anniversary of the original Star Wars was May 25. The 24th anniversary of ROTJ was the same day, and the 27th anniversary of ESB was May 20th. It's now July 7. Nothing coming down the pipe except the Clone Wars CG series next year and the Live Action series circa 2009. The "3D Star Wars in theaters" thing was also put off indefinately, because "the technology wasn't up to speed" Lucas claims.


And yes, I still prefer the original movies. I watched Star Wars (2006 theatrical DVD) again a few nights ago and it was wonderful. I'm watching ROTJ now and it's great too, just like I remember it.

Hope that helps anyone who is still on the fence about this set or curious...


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Old 09-26-2007, 07:43 PM   #104
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Very good summary, Kurgan. The new Star Wars original trilogy DVD's do look quite good, better than even the Star Wars Definitive Collection laserdisk set, which itself looks good. Many were surprised but just how good these DVD's look when they bought their sets and got to watch them.

And not only are the dumb changes from the SE gone, but the colors in Star Wars are accurate in this DVD set, they look the way they always have, the way they are supposed to look, not with the odd colors found in the SE.

If anyone hasn't gotten this set yet, I highly recommend it. You'll have the original Star Wars trilogy the way it actually happened, without any of the bizarre changes stuck in the SE, with good picture and sound quality. The DVD's also have great custom Star Wars menus.

As for the beginning of Star Wars, there are many that now think that is the original opening crawl on this new DVD set, after having examined it very closely. Apparently it was available from the fully restored and preserved master film prints that Lucasfilm has had ever since they were preparing for the 1997 release of the Special Edition in theaters (you know, the ones that they've refused to use so far for a new transfer of the unaltered trilogy ), and they took the time to put the correct original beginning of Star Wars in (no "A New Hope" in the title). Head over to www.originaltrilogy.com if you want the details, several Star Wars fans over there have looked into this carefully. There's certainly been a lot of interesting discussion on this issue.

It's very disappointing that it looks as if there might be no Star Wars 30th Anniversary DVD set this year. Hopefully they will have a big Star Wars DVD collector's set out next year, including a new transfer from the pristine master film prints of the original unaltered Star Wars trilogy.
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Very good summary, Kurgan. The new Star Wars original trilogy DVD's do look quite good, better than even the Star Wars Definitive Collection laserdisk set, which itself looks good. Many were surprised but just how good these DVD's look when they bought their sets and got to watch them.

And not only are the dumb changes from the SE gone, but the colors in Star Wars are accurate in this DVD set, they look the way they always have, the way they are supposed to look, not with the odd colors found in the SE.

If anyone hasn't gotten this set yet, I highly recommend it. You'll have the original Star Wars trilogy the way it actually happened, without any of the bizarre changes stuck in the SE, with good picture and sound quality. The DVD's also have great custom Star Wars menus.

As for the beginning of Star Wars, there are many that now think that is the original opening crawl on this new DVD set, after having examined it very closely. Apparently it was available from the fully restored and preserved master film prints that Lucasfilm has had ever since they were preparing for the 1997 release of the Special Edition in theaters (you know, the ones that they've refused to use so far for a new transfer of the unaltered trilogy ), and they took the time to put the correct original beginning of Star Wars in (no "A New Hope" in the title). Head over to www.originaltrilogy.com if you want the details, several Star Wars fans over there have looked into this carefully. There's certainly been a lot of interesting discussion on this issue.

It's very disappointing that it looks as if there might be no Star Wars 30th Anniversary DVD set this year. Hopefully they will have a big Star Wars DVD collector's set out next year, including a new transfer from the pristine master film prints of the original unaltered Star Wars trilogy.
Yeah, many amazing fan edits exist. We can't of course promote them here (out of respect for Lucasfilm's copyright), but that site does have some interesting discussions of those preservations. It's amazing what fans can do without millions of dollars, to lovingly restore the classic films! Maybe someday Lucas will get the message...?


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Old 07-31-2008, 03:51 PM   #106
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We've been discussing whether to allow discussions of fan edits here, but I will only say that "Star Wars Revisited" is the ultimate fan edit of ANH (though still, we await a restoration of the original theatrical film!).

A note on the "opening crawl mystery." It appears that in 1981, when Lucas inserted "Episode IV: A New Hope" he also tweaked the "moon" to make it look like a globe instead of a half moon (playing with the contrast/brightness/saturation). Some had speculated that it was a new element added in 1981, but now most fans who have looked at it think it's just the original lit differently. Interestingly, the "old" moon of Alderaan (in that opening shot) was restored in 2004, so now what you see in the 2006 ("unaltered") and 2004 editions matches, but when you look at old laserdiscs from the 80's (which are the 1981 "Episode IV" edition) the moon looks different.

So still, the 2006 editions are the "most authentic" and best quality versions of the movies, closest to the theatrical originals, officially, anyway. A few elusive fan edits exist that are working to restore the films even more, but again, since that's a questionable topic I'll leave off elaborating for now. No word yet on a high def release, and I am still convinced that Lucas will not give us what we want...

Oh, and the Clone Wars CG movie (pilot of the upcoming TV series) is coming to theaters next month, you already knew that I'm sure, since trailers are now being shown of it. It looks silly, but I'll probably check it out, after scanning the reviews.


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Old 08-01-2008, 08:14 AM   #107
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Darnit, I want my totally unaltered Star Wars film, before it had "EPISODE IV" and "A NEW HOPE" at the beginning!

I'm just kidding. I dislike all the new stuff also, but I typed what I did above to highlight that Lucas has been changing the moview for a loooong time now. It's not just what he dis with these newer editions of the original trilogy.

I think we all just love what we saw the first time the most.


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Old 08-22-2008, 03:40 AM   #108
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I think we all just love what we saw the first time the most.
I saw the VHS special editions first, but I like the originals better.

That's right. My opinion has changed greatly since I posted in this thread two years ago. There are some things I like and some things I don't, but in the end, I think the originals are better. I love stuff about both; I prefer Han shooting first, but I like the re-instated Jabba scene. I prefer Sebastian Shaw in Episode VI, but I like the new music in the ending better. And I prefer the awesome windows in Cloud City, but... uhhh... I don't really remember many other changes to Empire Strikes Back, or any that I didn't like. Anyways, I've just been getting interested in older movies lately, and as a result, I also like catching goofs, how they make effects, etc. So it's just a better experience to me, it feels more like you're watching an actual classic. I've come more absorbed in the movies themselves, and less absorbed in the Star Wars universe alone.

I still don't hate the edits though, and they certainly don't ruin the movies or anything. But if I'm watching the movies from a DVD on my TV, it's going to be the originals. I have a high-def television, and the original versions on the official DVDs look really nice on it (it looked like I was really in Tatooine while I was watching Episode IV, which it should), so I dunno what all the complaints against those are about.


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Old 04-12-2009, 09:38 PM   #109
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I should add a little something here, since some folks have wondered and because they're ubiquitous now...

Most places, you can now purchase a DVD "Star Wars Trilogy" box set:

(see the one on the right, in blue):



This set is essentially just a cardboard sleeve holding the three "Limited Edition" 2-disc sets from 2006.

It was released in December 2008, and is still available (they didn't even bother calling this one "Limited Edition" this time).

It appears that it usually ends up cheaper if you buy this rather than order each LE. But the content is IDENTICAL as if you'd purchased all three seperately, so you get the 2004 editions and the "2006" "Theatrical" "Bonus Disc" versions.

So if you're a first-time buyer of Star Wars on DVD, this is probably the set to get.

And just FYI, the Prequel version is just the three, previously released Prequel (2-disc) sets in a new cardboard sleeve. Again, nothing new, and it may or may not be cheaper than buying them individually, price shop and compare.

Also, I might be mistaken, but I think both of these sets are Widescreen only (not that that is a bad thing, mind you), as there's no alternate packaging for a full frame set.


People have also asked, "When is the NEW Special Edition set coming" or "When is the 3D set coming" or "When is this coming to Blu-Ray"? The answer is: NOBODY KNOWS.

Lucas and his company have said nothing official about it, and apparently such things were/are "planned" but have no definitive release date, having been postponed indefinitely.


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Please see the other thread for more accurate information. I realize now a lot of my earlier posts were speculation (having been made before I actually owned the 2006 set). I've learned a lot more things about the development of the saga thanks to hanging out on the Star Wars pages of IMDB.com.

Some little mistakes were made here and there, like my thinking that the "Faces" set altered the lines (apparently I misremembered that, and it was the 1997 edition that did that first, although the Faces set has other differences in audio from the 1980's tapes).

The 2006 "theatrical" bonus discs definitely use a LaserDisc "tape master" used to create those discs in 1993. Apparently the "original crawl" in Star Wars is actually the real deal, including the original moon shot (rather than a computer generated re-creation). If it was re-created using the original elements or simply spliced in, they did a darn good job of blending it so you can't tell!

Anyway, now you know, and knowing is half the battle!


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Old 08-07-2009, 01:22 AM   #111
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All I can say is that when I bought and saw the 2006 versions I was very disappointed, even I could tell they were the slightly squeezed laser disc versions.
Could ne1 tell if me if the actual 1977, 1980, and 1983 releases on DVD is even a possibility ne more or have those reels turned to dust by now.
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You mean a brand new transfer from the reels? It's possible that they could restore the negatives from the vaults or from some private collectors I guess. Supposedly in 1997 when they did so for the original SE's it was a big job. They are probably in pretty bad shape by now. But if they can restore even older movies, surely they can do so for Star Wars, and the technology for restoration now has improved quite a bit I would think in the last decade.

Seeing the ORIGINALS restored in theaters again would be amazing (not just seeing some old copy somebody had from the 80's in their collection covered with dust and scratches, faded, etc). Seeing them on DVD would be the icing on the cake.

So I would think it's still a "possibility" it's just that Lucas has a stranglehold on that right now and he doesn't seem to want to budge. The 2006 release was supposed to "shut up" the fans who were complaining (while he saw everyone else as being "satisfied" with whatever new version of the SE's he'd release as his "definitive vision"). If the fans continue to complain, and do so constructively, who knows... maybe someday he'll change his mind (hopefully before it's too late to do the actual restoration work).


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That is what I would like to see, because I have very little problems with George altering his movies (emphasis on his movies he can do what ever he wants) but I would just like to have original theatrical releases so we can enjoy every version and see how far we've come.
I think history will remember Lucas a lot better than we are looking at him right now.

Not to say that I am not preparing an underground army to strike LucasFilm incase Lucas tries to completely remake the OT.
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That is what I would like to see, because I have very little problems with George altering his movies (emphasis on his movies he can do what ever he wants) but I would just like to have original theatrical releases so we can enjoy every version and see how far we've come.
I think history will remember Lucas a lot better than we are looking at him right now.

Not to say that I am not preparing an underground army to strike LucasFilm incase Lucas tries to completely remake the OT.
Frankly I'd much RATHER that Lucas simply remake the OT from scratch and release it, than to keep tinkering around with the movies making "Special Editions." I too want to see the originals restored to the pristine quality that was shown in theaters 1977-1985. THAT is what deserves to be preserved. The SEs are little more than curiosities... tech demos for (now dated) CG fx and editing. Now that the prequels are done, there's no more excuse to keep doing this.

But I'm cool with Lucas having his "my best version of my original vision that I always intended ever" sandbox over there and the REAL Star Wars movies over here where the regular fans can watch 'em to their hearts content.

Is that so much to ask? The Flanneled One has BILLIONS. He KNOWS Star Wars is his #1 cash cow. Why not? The man needs to see reason. He probably thinks he threw us a bone with the 2006 laserdisc dumps, but really, as loyal fans for so many years, we deserve a little more than that.


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the originals are superior. this release is incompetent but worth it just to see it mostly the way it was supposed to be. if you like the new special editions then youre obviously an annoying 13 year old. THE END
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I am going to carbon-date myself, but oh well... Did anyone ever get star wars: The Original cut on records. They had a version on record, which the listener would read along. Ignore the fact that I linked a blog site, for I am only trying to show you the pictures.

Star Wars : A New Hope : Read Along
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Star Wars : Empire Strikes Back : Read Along
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Star Wars : Return Of The Jedi : Read Along
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Nostelgic... All the way... Hehehe...

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I had the ROTJ Read Along record when I was a kid. Before we had a VCR, I probably knew it better than the movie version!


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Well the Blu-Ray sets are officially out, and (as we knew all along) there are no theatrical cuts included (unless you count Episode III which is the theatrical cut, since all that was changed on TV was one lack of transition which was restored for this edition, go figure).

People who liked the 1997 SE's don't get their version, in fact, neither do the 2004 edition fans (though the Blu-Rays are very close to these versions). Prequel fans have had their movies tinkered with as well (though Episode III really hasn't changed, Episode II now has the dreaded blue tints we all complained about with the OT 2004!).

It took 2 years for the theatrical OT to come out on DVD after the first trilogy box set. Hopefully it won't take as long this time...

What I don't get is why Lucas included all these nostalgic commentaries, nostalgic documentaries and nostalgic deleted scenes which will appeal directly to fans of the THEATRICAL versions of these films, but only included revamped 21st century digital versions of each movie? "Ultimate Boxed Set" this is not.

Ah well, at least we still have these, rather than nothing.


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And as if there was any doubt, the "Theatrical Bonus Discs" are here to stay, since you can get them either in the 2 disc "limited editions" or else in the "Trilogy" DVD box set (with the blue cover). If you're a fan of the originals, that's really all you "need" to buy. The only difference between getting the box set vs. the 2 disc sets is that the individual cases are thinner and in a big cardboard sleeve.

Of course the "bonus discs" in the Blu-Ray set can only be obtained by buying the "Saga" Blu-Ray box set. Even though the BD is in special packaging, I imagine it might end up on ebay as a stand alone thing, like the "Bonus Materials" disc from 2004 did. Who knows.

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Even though the BD is in special packaging, I imagine it might end up on ebay as a stand alone thing, like the "Bonus Masterials" disc from 2004 did. Who knows.
The difference is that the 2004 bonus disc had an individual case. The BD discs are tied to the whole pack.

But it's good to know that the originals are out there.



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