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Old 10-03-2007, 06:56 AM   #41
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The problem with bombing Irans nuclear facilities, is that it's unlikely to prevent them from getting the bomb.
Many of the facilities they use was secret for a long time, for all we know there could be some we don't know about. Also, Iran claims it has mastered the technology needed. So even if every facility is bombed, it will only delay them. Another thing to consider is that if the U.S strikes Iran, they will retaliate in several painfull ways. Launching missiles into Iraq, sending troops to Iraq, blocking oil exports to the U.S, arming shia groups etc.

The only way I believe it is possible to prevent them from getting the bomb is trough sanctions aimed at damaging the economy. If the economy goes bad, Iran might find it to costly to keep up their nuclear programe. Of course, it isn't guaranteed to work, and very hard to pull of, but I think its the best we have.
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Old 10-03-2007, 09:56 AM   #42
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Military. Not sure how one could prevent economic strength in a global free market (whether it be ours or some other countries).
Economic strength is one thing; using your economy as part of a war for dominance of the West with Russia is another. Buying up your allies' defence manufacturers, now that's just playing dirty.
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But perhaps they really are putting together a nuclear weapons program. Then we come back to my earlier points. It seems that violation of the non-proliferation treaty should be handled transparently by the U.N., not using the exact same set of steps that got us into Iraq.
As I'm sure you recall, Bush did try the UN. France threatened to veto any resolution on Iraq. I fear that someone would veto sanctions on Iran, and in any case, sanctions are rarely, if ever, universally complied with.

Some would still trade with Iran. Some always will. And it would take some very wily diplomacy to get us out of a confrontation with Iran.

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Old 10-03-2007, 01:08 PM   #43
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Economic strength is one thing; using your economy as part of a war for dominance of the West with Russia is another. Buying up your allies' defence manufacturers, now that's just playing dirty.
Are we talking about the Cold War or are we talking about Iran?

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As I'm sure you recall, Bush did try the UN. France threatened to veto any resolution on Iraq. I fear that someone would veto sanctions on Iran, and in any case, sanctions are rarely, if ever, universally complied with.
In hindsight it seems that France might have been on to something, don't you think?

Sanctions aren't perfect, but then again neither is warfare.

But here's a more practical question: If we do end up at war against Iran, who is going to do the actual fighting? The U.K.? Australia? Or is it going to be 95%* us again?

*Not an actual statistic.
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Old 10-03-2007, 01:29 PM   #44
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As I'm sure you recall, Bush did try the UN. France threatened to veto any resolution on Iraq. I fear that someone would veto sanctions on Iran, and in any case, sanctions are rarely, if ever, universally complied with.
Not just France, but China and Russia threatened to veto, seeing the resolutions as merely providing an excuse to go to war, and wanting a peaceful solution rather than the Iraq War. Many believe the sanctions worked in stopping Iraq from actually gaining the Bomb.

China and Russia has agreed to some sanctions on Iran, but not all of the proposed sanctions. Both are helping the nuclear program and also believe the program is peaceful, altough they do have some misgivings.


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Old 10-03-2007, 04:25 PM   #45
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In hindsight it seems that France might have been on to something, don't you think?

Yeah, worried about losing the sweet oil deals they had w/Saddam.


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Old 10-23-2007, 12:57 AM   #46
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Sorry to resurrect, but it seems like most of the NeoConservatives in last night's Republican debate toned down the war rhetoric a bit. It went from discussing specific Iran invasion plans in the last debate to one of the candidates (Can't remember which one) referring to war with Iran as a last resort.

On another note, Hillary Clinton has received more donations from the military-industrial complex than any other candidate. Dr Paul, the only Republican who has completely discounted war with Iran, has gotten more donations from individuals in the military than any other candidate. I wonder what this means?

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