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Old 01-26-2008, 07:28 PM   #41
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That IS my definition of a perfect RPG, Sabretooth. The more a game is like Fallout, the better an RPG it is.
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Old 01-27-2008, 11:57 AM   #42
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I finally took a look at the RPG gerne, and well, I think both Corinth and the general community is right. Take a look at these two definitions in the wiki:

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A role-playing game (RPG; often roleplaying game) is a game in which the participants assume the roles of fictional characters and collaboratively create or follow stories. Participants determine the actions of their characters based on their characterization, and the actions succeed or fail according to a formal system of rules and guidelines. Within the rules, players can improvise freely; their choices shape the direction and outcome of the games.
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A computer role-playing game (CRPG[1]) is a broad video game genre originally developed for personal computers and other home computers. While technically not a separate genre, and sharing the same defining characteristics as console RPGs (also confusingly referred to as CRPGs) there are none the less general tendencies that make them distinct from RPGs on other platforms. The earliest CRPGs were inspired by early role-playing games, particularly Dungeons & Dragons, and attempted to provide a similar play experience.

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Despite a spectrum of features and game styles, there are some elements common to the CRPG genre. Perhaps the most salient is that of the avatar, with its quantized characteristics that evolve over the course of the game, and take the place of the gamer's own skill in determining game outcomes. Another common element in CRPGs is a well-developed fictional setting.

Gameplay elements strongly associated with CRPGs, such as statistical character development, have been widely adapted to other video game genres. For example, Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas, an action game, uses resource statistics (abbreviated as "stats") to define a wide range of attributes including stamina, weapon proficiency, driving, lung capacity, and muscle tone, and uses numerous cutscenes and quests to advance the story. Warcraft III, a real-time strategy game, features heroes that can complete quests, obtain new equipment, and learn new abilities as they advance in level. Some players might say that what separates these from games traditionally termed CRPGs is the inclusion of material not normally considered part of CRPGs, more than the absence of content which often is. However, many CRPG fans would say that the exclusion of these games from the genre stems from a lack of decision in character advancement, one of the key aspects in most CRPGs.
So a game that may not be considered an RPG by Corinth is not an RPG, but it is a CRPG. Two totally different gernes.

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SS, I don't think that you would find ANY eastern so-called RPG to be one. All would fit on your "roll"playing game category. Actually, there's one game... It's not even an RPG, or so I'm told, it's Way of the Warrior: Samurai (Careful, I could be misspelling it). You can choose your actions, you'll read lots of scrolls, decide who to help and who to tear apart, in the end, all those points that Corin said to be essential to a RPG... Still, it isn't said to be one.
I've actually read the strat guide of the game "Way of the Samurai". Another reason why I regret having the Xbox instead of the PS2.

Regardless, it is still an RPG, in the conventional sense because of this:

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Each of the swords available in the game has several attributes which influence its effectiveness in battle. These attributes can be enhanced using special items found in the game, or by visiting the in game swordsmith.
You can upgrade your sword. Therefore, you are gaining levels, and gaining power. Sounds like typical power-gaming stuff to me.

But it does lead to a question I don't really have a good answer to: What's the difference between a 'true RPG' and a CYA?


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Old 01-27-2008, 06:25 PM   #43
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That IS my definition of a perfect RPG, Sabretooth. The more a game is like Fallout, the better an RPG it is.
Omg corinthian
~snipped~. Since when is there a rule that if you make an RPG it has to be like fallout, otherwise it aint an RPG? You are taking this way to personally, this is only a friggin game recommendation thread.

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Old 01-28-2008, 12:50 AM   #44
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Watch the tone, and watch the language, folks. Name-calling falls under the flaming category--don't do it. Cut the sarcasm--it doesn't add anything to the discussion except annoyance and/or hurt feelings.

The thread author asked for recommendations on SF RPGs, and this has digressed off topic. Please either return to the topic, or start a new thread if you wish to continue discussion about what makes a game an RPG as that is a completely different topic.


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Old 02-01-2008, 07:50 PM   #45
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I found these articles on the history of RPGs to be enlightening about what can be defined as an RPG and at the same time as a guide to which RPGs are my style and which aren't:

The History of Computer Role-Playing Games Part 1: The Early Years (1980-1983)
The History of Computer Role-Playing Games Part 2: The Golden Age (1985-1993)
The History of Computer Role-Playing Games Part III: The Platinum and Modern Ages (1994-2004)

There should be some Sci-Fi RPGs listed in there. It's of course impossible to list every RPG in any article, but any worthy RPG will be listed. It also only goes to 2004, so recent games such as Mass Effect will of course not be listed.
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Old 02-01-2008, 07:54 PM   #46
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(Ouch, Miltiades. We already got scolded because our off-talk was perverting this topic purpose. But those articles looks promising, perhaps we should make another thread.)


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Old 02-01-2008, 08:05 PM   #47
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Yeah, I know. But I thought the original poster can use this...
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Old 02-02-2008, 12:15 AM   #48
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Not really, no. Half-Life tends to be extremely linear, there are no side-plots, the dialogue is one-sided...Half Life is a pure FPS, although I'd say it still is closer to an RPG than Diablo.
You do know that Half life is pure FPS and Diablo is pure RPG. Half Life has no roleplaying elements whatsoever and Diablo is practically all RPG/action

Anyway if you want a mixture of RPG and FPS I would recommend Deus Ex since I just completed it. It has a great amount of options roleplaying wise and is a hard shooting game. It also has a great Cyberpunk plot/genre since it follows a lot of government conspiracies that could possibly happen in the future

Fallout got slightly boring for me as a game. Not as an RPG but as a game. Since it really didn't do much for me. Most of the Final Fantasy games were good as an RPG especially the 6th, 7th and 9th. Both the 6th and 7th were sci-fi fantasy

A lot of games have been mentioned already. If you want a more recent RPG get Mass Effect which included the voice of Jennifer Hale AKA Bastila

If you want to broaden your search a little you could go for an MMORPG. If you want to have a customizable ship and character you could go for Star wars Galaxies which does both and more.

Also to all the people who are hopelessly bickering about the difference between RPGS and what games are classified as them I would recommend creating another thread for this since this thread is just someone trying to get recommendations for a Sci-Fi RPG and then all of the sudden we are talking about whether Diablo is an RPG or not.


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Old 02-04-2008, 12:26 AM   #49
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To get back to the original topic - sci-fi RPG's - I'd like to point out Freelancer. Although it doesn't fall under the "according-to-Hoyle" definition of a role-playing game, it does have an excellent story, is fairly easy to mod (including ships, bases and character appearance), and is very easy on the eyes considering that it's five years old. All of that and George Takei does one of the voices - what more could you ask for?

One of my all-time favorites.
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Old 02-04-2008, 12:44 AM   #50
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Terracentral, I consider Diablo to be an Action Adventure game, although I do realize that nobody really cares. It doesn't matter.

There's Harbinger, which is a Diablo Clone, but I can't really recommend it for reasons that are obvious.

EVE Online is supposed to be very good, but I didn't have a good experience with it.

SWG is horrendous. I cannot suggest it in good conscience to anyone. The game has gone through almost as many revisions and retcons as the actual Expanded Universe, plus hardly anyone plays it anymore.

Fallout III comes out this Fall, but you'll probably want something sooner.

There's Star Ocean. I've played the first one, but I hated it. However, a lot of people say it's very good.

That's all I've got right now.
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Anyway if you want a mixture of RPG and FPS I would recommend Deus Ex since I just completed it. It has a great amount of options roleplaying wise and is a hard shooting game. It also has a great Cyberpunk plot/genre since it follows a lot of government conspiracies that could possibly happen in the future
But if you want a game that mix RPG and FPS, and where the gameplay actually works, try Bioshock. It's retro, but ironically, you'll feel on the future.

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Most of the Final Fantasy games were good as an RPG especially the 6th, 7th and 9th. Both the 6th and 7th were sci-fi fantasy
Two things
7th is actually more of cyberpunk.
6th is in no way futuristic; it's "medieval".

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There's Star Ocean. I've played the first one, but I hated it. However, a lot of people say it's very good.
Are there any for PC? As far as I remember, they're only out for the NES/Super NES/PS/PS2. I've played Star Ocean: 'Till the end of Time, and it's very good - if you ignore the last part of the game, that can kill the story.


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Old 02-04-2008, 03:13 PM   #52
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Final Fantasy VI is closer to Steampunk than True Fantasy, actually.
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Old 02-04-2008, 05:20 PM   #53
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For an mmo, i reccommend lord of the rings online

RPGs:
Just Cause - short desc. on link Mint game

Jade Empire

BioShock

F.E.A.R


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Old 02-04-2008, 05:39 PM   #54
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Just Cause, LOTRO, Jade Empire, and F.E.A.R. aren't Sci-Fi. Just Cause and F.E.A.R. aren't even RPGs.
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I know but the thread-creator may like them anyway


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Old 02-04-2008, 07:22 PM   #56
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