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Old 05-17-2008, 08:08 AM   #1
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Teacher at DarthDingDongs School Put in Hospital by Pupils

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...cle1174542.ece

Mr Lewis, one of the Physics teachers at my school, was goaded into attacking Aaron Walmsley, a Year 9 pupil a few weeks ago.

A video was recorded of thie incident, which has been uploaded onto YouTube.

Mr Lewis saw it, and has had a huge heart attack as a result.

He is now in Hospital awaiting heart surgery.

If you clicked the link above, you will see the video itself.

The video linked to has music playing in it, but if you would like to see the original so as to see what was being said PM me.

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Old 05-17-2008, 08:14 AM   #2
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Mr Lewis saw it, and has had a huge heart attack as a result.

He is now in Hospital awaiting heart surgery.

If you clicked the link above, you will see the video itself.

The video linked to has music playing in it, but if you would like to see the original so as to see what was being said PM me.

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How do you mean, 'attacked'? And how was he goaded into this attack?

It is very sad that he has had a heart attack, it seems to me at least teenagers are getting less and less respectful these days. I'm only 23, but as my parents have remarked, while I had abit of an attitude problem and bad language between 13-16 its not on the scale it is these days. Personally I think quite a few teens need a kick up the bum, I also think in the UK the government needs to give young people far more things to do outside of school.



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Old 05-17-2008, 08:23 AM   #3
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How do you mean, 'attacked'? And how was he goaded into this attack?

It is very sad that he has had a heart attack, it seems to me at least teenagers are getting less and less respectful these days. I'm only 23, but as my parents have remarked, while I had abit of an attitude problem and bad language between 13-16 its not on the scale it is these days. Personally I think quite a few teens need a kick up the bum, I also think in the UK the government needs to give young people far more things to do outside of school.
Aaron was shouting "go on punch me!" and other baiting words along the same lines, and Mr Lewis was replying no, and eventually Mr Lewis lost his rag.

If you watch the video at the link I provided it should become clear. Though the sound has been replaced by music.




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Old 05-17-2008, 08:28 AM   #4
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Aaron was shouting "go on punch me!" and other baiting words along the same lines, and Mr Lewis was replying no, and eventually Mr Lewis lost his rag.

If you watch the video at the link I provided it should become clear. Though the sound has been replaced by music.
Where's the youtube link? You only provide a link to the Sun, a poopaper, and a website I refuse to ever vist



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Where's the youtube link? You only provide a link to the Sun, a poopaper, and a website I refuse to ever vist
The video on YouTube is here.

Though as I said, the sound has been replaced.




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Old 05-17-2008, 08:34 AM   #6
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Meh, I don't think its that bad from the looks of it, all he did was escort the problem Child out of the class room, something I feel he is in his rights to do.

Personally I blame the parents for not bringing the kid up properly.



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Old 05-17-2008, 08:39 AM   #7
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Yeah, they are even talking about getting Mr Lewis sued!

If anything I think they should be the ones taken to court.




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Old 05-17-2008, 08:44 AM   #8
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Yeah, they are even talking about getting Mr Lewis sued!

If anything I think they should be the ones taken to court.
Thats stupid, if a Child refuse to behave and gets in a Teachers face, what else are they meant to do? They should have the right to physically remove a child, if they are not being obeyed. I may well put something about it, in my montly letter to the MP for my constituency.



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That's actually not a bad idea...

I may well get one of my parents to do that...




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Old 05-17-2008, 08:47 AM   #10
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Wow; And, I thought that people at my school were bad. It seems that they're nothing compared to that.

Students need to learn to respect their teacher instead of doing things like this. Call me crazy, but I think that the teacher shouldn't be punished by the legal system for the student's misbehavior.

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Old 05-17-2008, 08:54 AM   #11
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Wow; And, I thought that people at my school were bad. It seems that they're nothing compared to that.

Students need to learn to respect their teacher instead of doing things like this. Call me crazy, but I think that the teacher shouldn't be punished by the legal system for the student's misbehavior.
QFT.

I doubt Mr Lewis will come back to school whatever happens.

He wouldn't have the confidence.

Unfortunately I think his career is over.




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Old 05-17-2008, 08:59 AM   #12
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I may well get one of my parents to do that...
Aye, get them to do that, its someone's lively hood we're talking about

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QFT.

I doubt Mr Lewis will come back to school whatever happens.

He wouldn't have the confidence.

Unfortunately I think his career is over.
Perhaps, depends on the type of Man he is, and what the School and Teaching Union advise/say.

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Wow; And, I thought that people at my school were bad. It seems that they're nothing compared to that.

Students need to learn to respect their teacher instead of doing things like this. Call me crazy, but I think that the teacher shouldn't be punished by the legal system for the student's misbehavior.
Its child protection gone mad, but then the government at least to me seems to be like a meeting of power hungry politically correct morons anonymous.

Take for example smacking being made illegal; do the Political Correct Polce that brought this rule in really think that is going to stop the kind of parents that physically abuse their Children?

I was smacked as a child and it did me no harm, for example (and I remember this) when I was about 2 I crawled upto our fire, and my dad told me off and pulled me away, I then crawled upto it again, my dad told me off again and pulled me away, I then did it a third time, and he smacked me; end result I didn't go near the fire again. Smacking is a useful tool if used rarely (I was only ever smacked twice) and as part of effective and consistent parenting.

To cut a long story short, Teachers, I don't think should be allowed to use the cane as they once did, however I do think they should be allowed to physically remove problem children from class if the said Child is not following instructions.



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Old 05-17-2008, 09:09 AM   #13
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Indeed, that is unfortunate. Is the child permanently injured? I don't think so, so I see no problem. The teacher shouldn't take the brunt of it for what the child did.


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Aye, get them to do that, its someone's lively hood we're talking about
They agree.

If anyone reading this agrees with what we say and they live in the UK, please contact your MP about it as well.

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Indeed, that is unfortunate. Is the child permanently injured? I don't think so, so I see no problem. The teacher shouldn't take the brunt of it for what the child did.
Nope theres nothing wrong with him at all. He's still at school too!




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Old 05-17-2008, 10:44 AM   #15
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Sadly teachers have little power these days in the classroom. My wife is a teacher and some of the stories I've heard her tell me about what kids do are ridiculous. The worst part is that many parents refuse to believe their child is the problem. If I had ever done some of the stuff these kids do today to my teachers I would have been suspended and my dad would have kicked my butt. It's truly sad that our school officials have such little ability to control students.

In this particular instance I would say the student should be suspended from school, and the teacher did absolutely nothing wrong in my view.


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A prime example of the kind of disrespect that led to my decision to leave teaching.

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That's pretty mild and perfectly acceptable here. In fact, the teacher only escorted him out, which he should do in this situation. A teacher from my place wouldn't have hesitated to deliver a thrashing or one cheek-numbing slap. Then again, kids here are smoothened out by fear.

I'm not sure what the whole dialogue between the kid and the teacher was, but I know that the kid deserved a good thrashing.

IMO, teachers of the West could use more rights and some general stern-ness.


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How did this video come to be? Was the kid trying to set up the teacher to make the youtube video?


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How did this video come to be? Was the kid trying to set up the teacher to make the youtube video?
Yeah Aaron and his friends were deliberately trying to p*** Mr Lewis off as a joke so they could video it and spread it around.

I don't think they meant to make him get physical, as in the original video there are screams of "get off me" etc.

The ones who did it aren't the ones who posted it on YouTube however. A girl did that.




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Sheesh. That is disrespect.

I certainly don't think that the teacher 'attacked' the student. That isn't what it looked like at all. I think that the teacher did the right thing. I hope that the students involved were punished. They started it.

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Sheesh. That is disrespect.

I certainly don't think that the teacher 'attacked' the student. That isn't what it looked like at all. I think that the teacher did the right thing. I hope that the students involved were punished. They started it.
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Meh, he's clean acording to the law as far as I can see, so the kid isn't likely to get anywhere by suing him.

As for the whole teenagers getting more disrespectfull thing, overall I think it is good. Not the "throw a hissy fitt" kind, as it only serves to sabotage lessons for no reason. However, to question teachers to make them back up their claims, provide different theories to see if they can disprove them, and point out when they are voicing their oppinions, is a good thing in subjects where/when apropirate.

J7: I'm no expert, but I believe the reason smacking is illegal is because studies seem to show that those who are smacked as children are more likely to use voilence in other situations. Voilence becomes more acceptable, therefore the law isn't so much about the pain of the child. And you don't need smacking to get a small kid to understand, put them in a room with nothing to do, or if they are old enough, have them do chores.


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J7: I'm no expert, but I believe the reason smacking is illegal is because studies seem to show that those who are smacked as children are more likely to use voilence in other situations. Voilence becomes more acceptable, therefore the law isn't so much about the pain of the child. And you don't need smacking to get a small kid to understand, put them in a room with nothing to do, or if they are old enough, have them do chores.
I don't think the idiots in charge of the government should be able to dictate parenting skills, there track record isn't good enough to warrant them giving others parenting advice.

The violence only becomes acceptable because it is used alot; I personally feel it should be there as a last resort, as part of a varied and effective parenting style. My dad is a GP, so he knows his stuff with regards parenting. Your above examples would not have stopped me from investigating the fire in my own personal example, and a smack is alot less serious than 2 year old me getting myself burned.

Just my 2 cents.



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Besides, I'm sick of people telling me that violence is never the answer. You know who else thought that? NEVILLE CHAMBERLAIN. You know what else Neville Chamberlain did? Look up the Munich agreement.
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What does the policy of appeasement have to do with a few smart-aleck teens?

Unless you think they're going to amass a giant war machine and invade Arkansas or something.


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It's the same general principle, this misperception that fighting fire with fire only results in an inferno. Proper application of force is, and should be, the last weapon in an arsenal, but it should always be in the arsenal. A little inflammation of the butt now can result in proper discipline later, in much the same way that properly subjugating Germany at the end of World War I might have resulted in six million Jews not having their gold teeth ripped out before they got flung into a cyanide gas chamber. We've become so complacent over the last hundred years, so scared of War that we've become scared of Human Conflict in general. The infection has trickled down gradually from the global scale to the personal scale like a creeping fungus.
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The violence only becomes acceptable because it is used alot; I personally feel it should be there as a last resort, as part of a varied and effective parenting style.
Again, I'm no expert, but it seems like the distinction betwen a little and a lot would be a nightmare for the courts.

Corinthian: I didn't say violence is never the answer, and I don't see how not smacking children turns them into pasifists


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Again, I'm no expert, but it seems like the distinction betwen a little and a lot would be a nightmare for the courts.

Corinthian: I didn't say violence is never the answer, and I don't see how not smacking children turns them into pasifists
Perhaps the destinction is difficult, but our children seem to be becomming less well behaved, and indeed some sections of society are degenerating and the question is why? I think for all the psychologyical data perhaps the standard of parenting is going down?



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Because of the destruction of the violent variable. These days, the going standard is that enforcing discipline via force is wrong, no matter what. If you discipline a child physically, it has become abusive. This trend has resulted in the divorcing of the primary enforcement of right and wrong - Pain. Pain is the ultimate tool in the arsenal of Discipline.

Proper application of pain now means less pain later. Thus, you can rule by Fear of Force rather than Force itself.
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Because of the destruction of the violent variable. These days, the going standard is that enforcing discipline via force is wrong, no matter what. If you discipline a child physically, it has become abusive. This trend has resulted in the divorcing of the primary enforcement of right and wrong - Pain. Pain is the ultimate tool in the arsenal of Discipline.

Proper application of pain now means less pain later. Thus, you can rule by Fear of Force rather than Force itself.
Yes and no, the pain factor doesn't work on some, for example, if the 'pain factor' used on my father at boarding school had been used on me, during my childhood the result would have been very bad for those attempting to cain me.

Harsh dicipline on intelligent non-conformists, is a very bad idea. The threat of pain is a far more useful tool in discipline than actual pain. And for those who think what we are discussing is barbaric, why do most people obey the law? The state rules through fear of violence, you will obey the law of the land otherwise the police will deal with you in one way or another.

EDIT: However I don't think apeasement is relevant, however if going to War, all other avenues should be explored before going to War. However War should have been declared on Germany when they went into what is now the Czech Republic. It is also easy to look back at say what should or should not have been done. Just my 2 cents. No need to discuss it anymore.

I also think violence is generally abhorrent, and something that should only ever be used as a last resort.

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The brain is far mightier than the sword.



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The brain is far mightier than the sword
That, like the whole pen thing is a lie. You go on telling that to the innocents that are slaughtered everyday. To Bush and his anti-terrorism crusade. To Osama and his anti-American crusade. To all the millions of people fighting right now.

The brain is not mightier than the sword for the simple reason that it is easier and faster to chop a brain with a sword than to disarm a sword with a brain.


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I'm with J7 on this one, trust me, you can hit back, though it often hurt you more than your "opressor". The kid can struggle against the parrent, screaming just for the sake of getting revenge, not caring that it harms itself.


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The brain is not mightier than the sword for the simple reason that it is easier and faster to chop a brain with a sword than to disarm a sword with a brain.
I take it then, that you have never done Krav Maga? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krav_Maga

Bush, Bin Laden et al, only have the power they do because of the masses behind them, and those who would obey orders; Bush is particuarly vulnerable as he lives in a democracy...

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I'm with J7 on this one, trust me, you can hit back, though it often hurt you more than your "opressor". The kid can struggle against the parrent, screaming just for the sake of getting revenge, not caring that it harms itself.
If we take the above boarding school anology, they key is secrecy and planning. Don't let anyone else in on it and it hard, you could in theory launch a campaign; superglue his chair, plant incriminating things in his desk etc...



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