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Old 07-23-2008, 10:13 PM   #41
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Honestly, if we want to have proper immersion, I should be able to cut a hole in every single wall and jump out of the building.
That's a logical fallacy, for several reasons.

1. Cutting through every single wall would ruin the point of there being walls.
2. You can't just cut through every freaking wall, because not every freaking wall is as thin as a door. If they were, Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan would've been able to go in a straight line to the Trade Federation ship's bridge.
3. Saying that the only way to have proper immersion is freedom to destroy any barrier whatsoever is absurd because that's not even what I was talking about.


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Old 07-24-2008, 08:59 AM   #42
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That's a logical fallacy, for several reasons.

1. Cutting through every single wall would ruin the point of there being walls.
2. You can't just cut through every freaking wall, because not every freaking wall is as thin as a door. If they were, Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan would've been able to go in a straight line to the Trade Federation ship's bridge.
3. Saying that the only way to have proper immersion is freedom to destroy any barrier whatsoever is absurd because that's not even what I was talking about.
Fair enough. But I still don't think mutilation is necessary for immersion.


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Old 07-24-2008, 12:53 PM   #43
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That's a logical fallacy, for several reasons.

1. Cutting through every single wall would ruin the point of there being walls.
2. You can't just cut through every freaking wall, because not every freaking wall is as thin as a door. If they were, Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan would've been able to go in a straight line to the Trade Federation ship's bridge.
3. Saying that the only way to have proper immersion is freedom to destroy any barrier whatsoever is absurd because that's not even what I was talking about.
not every wall, but your everday wall? you sure could. A starship or military installation is less likely since they're armored, but regular civilian buildings a Jedi would normally encounter are usually fully sliceable, hehe
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Old 07-24-2008, 01:15 PM   #44
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not every wall, but your everday wall? you sure could. A starship or military installation is less likely since they're armored, but regular civilian buildings a Jedi would normally encounter are usually fully sliceable, hehe
We're getting into the realms of chemistry and physics here, but I don't think they would be 'fully sliceable'. The materials used in those buildings (indeed, the entire Star Wars universe) would have entirely different chemical structures compared to materials in our world.

And besides, if they're 'fully sliceable' how come there's very little in the way of examples in Star Wars? Answer: because it's easier to use a door. Just think how tiring it would be to drag a lightsaber through a wall to cut a shapel large enough for people to fit through. It might be able to cut anything, but that cutting wouldn't be instantaneous.

And only the outer hull and walls of military installations or starships would need to be armoured.

As for myself, I don't want my lightsaber to cut through 'anything', or at least an 'anything' that literally means that. I just want it to cut through things in a manner demonstrated through the films and the EU.






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Old 07-24-2008, 04:26 PM   #45
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As for myself, I don't want my lightsaber to cut through 'anything', or at least an 'anything' that literally means that. I just want it to cut through things in a manner demonstrated through the films and the EU.
Imagine if you ran by a pole and accidentally sliced it down just by walking into it. That'd stop being cute after about two times.


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Old 07-24-2008, 11:16 PM   #46
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We're getting into the realms of chemistry and physics here, but I don't think they would be 'fully sliceable'. The materials used in those buildings (indeed, the entire Star Wars universe) would have entirely different chemical structures compared to materials in our world.

And besides, if they're 'fully sliceable' how come there's very little in the way of examples in Star Wars? Answer: because it's easier to use a door. Just think how tiring it would be to drag a lightsaber through a wall to cut a shapel large enough for people to fit through. It might be able to cut anything, but that cutting wouldn't be instantaneous.

And only the outer hull and walls of military installations or starships would need to be armoured.

As for myself, I don't want my lightsaber to cut through 'anything', or at least an 'anything' that literally means that. I just want it to cut through things in a manner demonstrated through the films and the EU.
of course it's easier to use a door, but we're talking about possibility, not practicality.
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Old 07-25-2008, 08:03 AM   #47
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Dude, it's a lightsaber. I don't care how I get to use it; I just wanna get my hands on one.


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Old 07-25-2008, 03:21 PM   #48
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Imagine if you ran by a pole and accidentally sliced it down just by walking into it.
There's no way that would happen unless you're specifically trying to, or happen to be in a fight nearby.


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Old 07-25-2008, 05:14 PM   #49
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There's no way that would happen unless you're specifically trying to, or happen to be in a fight nearby.
I was just flashing back to Jedi Outcast where your lightsaber could leave burn marks in the wall just by walking by and touching it. It'd be a lot funnier with dmm.


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Old 07-25-2008, 06:14 PM   #50
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well i should hope you could turn off your lightsaber if the game went that realistic, lol
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Old 07-26-2008, 09:55 AM   #51
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I was just flashing back to Jedi Outcast where your lightsaber could leave burn marks in the wall just by walking by and touching it. It'd be a lot funnier with dmm.
A scene flashed into my mind from a Robot Chicken episode, when Qui-Gon drops his lightsaber and it falls right down to the planet....
Seriously, a lightsaber is not made for cutting through walls, and they cut through doors only when necesssery (although it's fun!).
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Old 07-27-2008, 11:40 AM   #52
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A scene flashed into my mind from a Robot Chicken episode, when Qui-Gon drops his lightsaber and it falls right down to the planet....
Seriously, a lightsaber is not made for cutting through walls, and they cut through doors only when necesssery (although it's fun!).
50% of Force Unleashed play time is building new lightsabers.


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Old 07-27-2008, 01:19 PM   #53
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Okay, nobody in this entire topic is talking about the lightsaber combat at all anymore, and instead everyone is pointlessly arguing about how sabers dismember, the mutilation of stormtroopers, the chemical properties of lightsabers in reality, and whether or not they should cut through buildings in real life (which they can't, because they aren't real).


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Old 07-27-2008, 02:48 PM   #54
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Okay, nobody in this entire topic is talking about the lightsaber combat at all anymore, and instead everyone is pointlessly arguing about how sabers dismember, the mutilation of stormtroopers, the chemical properties of lightsabers in reality, and whether or not they should cut through buildings in real life (which they can't, because they aren't real).
That's because, whether you like it or not, that's an important part of using a lightsaber, and, by extension, lightsaber combat.

And, did you actually read the opening post? It actually asks for thoughts on lightsaber dismemberment.






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Old 07-28-2008, 03:39 AM   #55
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I have no idea if this has been said or not but here is the E3 demo. It shows the Secret Apprentice (well not technically) cutting droids in half. There are a few other things as well. I think that as far as the lightsaber combat stuff, a lot of your questions will be answered in this video. Cool stuff, and I am just getting more and more excited every passing day.


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Old 07-28-2008, 09:16 AM   #56
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(which they can't, because they aren't real)
So only "real" things deserve to have a flying rat's arse be given about them? I'm going to go meta here and say that sometimes I don't think reality is very realistic in the first place.


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Old 07-28-2008, 11:26 AM   #57
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So only "real" things deserve to have a flying rat's arse be given about them? I'm going to go meta here and say that sometime I don't think reality is very realistic in the first place.
Not that I don't agree with you on this, but that oxymoron almost gave me a seizure.

It is ironic that he would say it doesn't matter because it isn't real.... when he's on a forum for discussing things that aren't real.


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Old 07-28-2008, 12:26 PM   #58
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I don't see any problem with utilizing oxymorons as long as they work.


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Old 07-28-2008, 03:44 PM   #59
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everyone take a look at (in my opinion) the worst game of the franchise:star wars Episode III revenge of the sith. the one level in the jedi hall of records were you commit genocide to librarians,jedi,and guards. now one of the type of guards in this level hold their lightsabers backwards their move selection contians moves that make holding their light saber backwards work i dont remember specifics but they had a redesigned fighting style that apparently worked so my point is dont you think that the creators TFU would have addapted to the charicters stance and made holding the lightsaber behind their back workable?

it seems obvious to me that you wouldnt get shot just standing OR maybe their is an automatic thing in the game where the charicter moves to block any fire directed twards him/her

i dont know. i dont have the game.
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Old 07-28-2008, 07:41 PM   #60
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im just praying to god that theres a cheat or something that lets you "unleash" the force as it was intended by Hayden Blackman. i read a thing once that said in the initial tests of the game, a force push would literally dismember a stormtrooper or anybody that got in the way; and you could get eaten by a Rancor and force repel inside him and blow his stomach out. same thing for the lightsaber, since early reveiws of the game stated and hinted at a pretty fair amount of dismemberment. besides, there are Teen rated games that feature dismemberment, kinda just seems like a missed chance to me on the next gen consoles.
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Old 08-13-2008, 11:59 PM   #61
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The apprentices style is sooo cool! He and Ahsoka Tano are the only characters I know that use it. Form IV: used to more easily use force techniques. What type of star wars fan are u!!!
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Old 08-14-2008, 10:52 AM   #62
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The lightsaber stance, he's kinda holding it behind him, so it looks like he doesn't even give a **** about blaster fire, maybe it is because he is The Apprentice so he can already see in advance whether blaster shots hit him or not, so that's why he isn't concerned at all.




Now, thoughts? [/QUOTE]

I think I read somewhere on the official site that Starkiller is not fully skilled with a lightsaber. His true power lies with his force abilities. Perhaps part of the lightsaber stance is to de-emphasize it's importance in comparison to the force powers in the game.
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Old 08-15-2008, 01:50 PM   #63
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If he cannot fully control his lightsaber, wouldn't there be even more reason to hold it infront of you?
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Old 08-15-2008, 08:09 PM   #64
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Judging by what is written in the novel, I'd rather say that Starkiller is a master of lightsaber combat.

The real reason is obviously because the devs realized how very cool it looks.

If you really want to imagine the character himself had a good reason for it, then it'd probably be because it is a combat style unlike that of any other force user.
That makes it a real pain to fight against for other truly skilled combatants, since they can't predict what'll come next as easily as they could with a more regular combat style.

Oh, did I mention it looks cool? ;D



As for decapacitation...I'd definitely appreciate it being in there (the novel even cared to describe how blood changed the helmet on a rolling head at one part), but it's not a big loss if it isn't.
If I'm dying to cut off limbs, Jedi Outcast/Academy is my release.
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Sorry I was a jerk before, it just seemed like it was getting kinda off topic in this MAJOR debate on lightsaber dismemberment, which is alright (and the topic creator did say about it), just it'd be cool to talk about the FU saber combat too.


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Old 08-19-2008, 09:27 PM   #66
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droids aren't human (or even organic), so chopping them to bits is okay, lol
But u might hurt the battle droids feelings......
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Old 08-20-2008, 07:31 AM   #67
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Old 08-20-2008, 04:26 PM   #68
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It will not have dismemberment because they need a T-rating to attract more sales.

End of discussion.

About the walls, they could always just say that every wall in the game is made of cortosis.
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Yeah, right, there's so much cortosis lying everywhere in the Galaxy.
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About the walls, they could always just say that every wall in the game is made of cortosis.
That's just extremely far-fetched, you can't just find Cortosis everywhere you go, it's a extremely rare material that was used to cover some anti-lightsaber melee weapons that made Lightsaber blades short out upon contact.

But even though a melee weapon was made out of Cortosis, if it was repeatedly striked with a Lightsaber, it was able to be cut.

Cortosis was indeed used to cover Shadowtrooper armor and Cortosis Battle Droids, but covering entire walls is just absurd.
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Old 08-27-2008, 04:36 PM   #71
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Do you honestly need LS dismemberment? In the SW movies lightsabers cutting off limbs were the whole point of them; I mean the way you people talk about "the feeling" you'd think the whole 6 movies were dedicated to humanoids getting their arms/legs/heads/lower body cut off.

Do aesthetics really outweigh the gameplay? Whatever happened to playing the game regardless of how it looks like as long as it's fun and the story keeps you hooked? (This is the main part of the argument :P)

The lightsaber stance is so that he can better control the force when he uses it against other people apparently, and think about it it works, the area is free in front of Starkiller so he can better manipulate the force.
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