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Old 05-29-2008, 10:12 PM   #81
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How much are you willing to spend? There's a pretty big jump in price from 22" to 24" and up. Bear in mind that 24"+ LCDs are able to display 1080p natively, anything lower is not going to be able to display it pixel by pixel.




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Old 05-30-2008, 11:39 AM   #82
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well, the price isn't that much of an issue since my parents are going to pay for either all or part of it as a birthday present. i've already done some pricing, and anything under $500 should be more than reasonable.

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i found one that i'm going to go ahead and grab. its an Acer 24" monitor from Newegg. its a good price for a nice monitor; so, i can't complain too much.

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Old 05-30-2008, 02:23 PM   #83
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welcome to the world of HD stinger, soon you'll be wanting a bigger one with more pixels, believe me [/screenjunkie]

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Old 05-30-2008, 04:58 PM   #84
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Hmm, I would've gone for a 22" ViewSonic VX2240W

"Why?" You say?

I think going above that for a 360 is overkill as anything above 720p is upscaled anyways (there's even controversy about certain games being upscaled to 720p, making the 1080p and upscaling of an upscaled image = ouch!), and you will lose some of the sharpness in the image (some people say that it makes no difference, but if you're a psycho purist like me, it would bother you )

Here's an excellent review of that Viewsonic screen, which got the much sought after 5 star rating on LesNumeriques.com, there's even a video of it in action there...

If you must go 24" I'd get the Viewsonic VX2435WM, of which you can read the review here (can't seem to find it on Newegg though), though it expresses my concerns about upscaling, and more!
It says that from a PC input, everything looks amazing, but from consoles or other inputs, 1080p gets upscaled (once again!!!) to 1200p, which means another loss in quality! Like I said, maybe it's not that bad, but I know it would bother me personally...

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Old 05-30-2008, 11:33 PM   #85
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well, the 1080p thing isn't just for the 360. i'm going to be getting a BD drive for my computer soon anyways. having a monitor that can support full 1080p natively will be a big plus for that, too.


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Old 05-31-2008, 01:32 AM   #86
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I would rather have a projector that I could use to change the size of the screen...
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Old 05-31-2008, 07:29 AM   #87
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I would rather have a projector that I could use to change the size of the screen...
perfect for gaming!
I have one. projectors are ok for movies and some types of games.... the image just isnt bright or pristine enough for games where you have alot of detail on screen. Not to mention that a decent 1080p projector will kick the bejesus out of your bank balance

@negsun. dont mistake a a gfx cards straining for upscaling Some 360 and ps3 are capable of true 1080, the rest 720. They still look cool on a monitor simply because images are non interlaces, as opposed to your run of the mill TV

Stingers monitor is future proof and blu-ray ready. The bluray+PC paradigm shift is almost here

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Old 05-31-2008, 07:43 PM   #88
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@negsun. dont mistake a a gfx cards straining for upscaling
I'm not, I know full well that 1920x1200 will strain your GPU way more than 1680x1050, and I'm sure stinger does too

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Some 360 and ps3 are capable of true 1080, the rest 720. They still look cool on a monitor simply because images are non interlaces, as opposed to your run of the mill TV
I know some are capable of running movies and such at 1080p, but gaming wise, virtually nothing on the 360 has a native 1080p resolution, the 1080p a 360 puts out is an upscaling of whatever resolution that game was made in, mostly 720p or under...Hence the loss of quality I was talking about



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I have one. projectors are ok for movies and some types of games.... the image just isnt bright or pristine enough for games where you have alot of detail on screen. Not to mention that a decent 1080p projector will kick the bejesus out of your bank balance

@negsun. dont mistake a a gfx cards straining for upscaling Some 360 and ps3 are capable of true 1080, the rest 720. They still look cool on a monitor simply because images are non interlaces, as opposed to your run of the mill TV

Stingers monitor is future proof and blu-ray ready. The bluray+PC paradigm shift is almost here

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you should get one of those super bright projectors that you can see with a lot of lights on, my church has one of those, it's freakin' bright, it gives new meaning to "Blinde by the light"


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Old 06-01-2008, 01:18 PM   #90
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Negsun, the quality loss you should be thinking about more is when your GPU drops frames, or simply cant draw them quick enough The quality of our kit improves rather than goes backwards...many games I had trouble running at full spec with my 7950GX2 get murdered on 1080p(and beyond) on my measly 8800GTS.

In one year, simply because of BR drives alone, having a 1080+ display is going to be run of the mill. PC gamers always look onwards and upwards.... so how could they ever say no to 1080+ display

M@RS >> are you kidding ?? I do custom home theater installations, I know my projectors undies out! Unless you belong to a super rich church, that feels ok at squandering $50,000 on a theatre grade HD digital projector, you'll find most standard projectors clock in at 2000-3000 ANSI Lumens. I have no need for a 3000+ lumen device in my modest home theater/projection room

Even with one of those, you can never have the sharpness that you get when you have your eyes peering at some tiny detail on an LCD/OLED display some 30cms from your face

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Old 08-01-2008, 10:14 AM   #91
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This is the 4850 I'm looking at getting. The one thing I don't like about the 4800's is how hot they run. I've been looking for a dual slot 4850 that would vent air to the outside of the case like the 4870 does (per Q's recommendation) but haven't found any of those around and this looks like the closest I can come to an OEM over-cooled solution. If anybody has any better suggestions I'm open to hearing them.

On another note, I guess it's an expansion card design standard but I think it counterintuitive that single slot graphics cards have the cooling fan mounted so that it points down instead of up in a tower case. Heat rises right?


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Old 08-01-2008, 06:07 PM   #92
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On another note, I guess it's an expansion card design standard but I think it counterintuitive that single slot graphics cards have the cooling fan mounted so that it points down instead of up in a tower case. Heat rises right?
That's why it's important to have good airflow in your case, at least one intake at the front and one exhaust at the back is a must...

The GPU you've linked to looks like it's got a Zalman VGA cooler on it, which is like the Mecca of VGA coolers for most PC enthusiasts (before liquid cooling that is), so I'd say it's very adequate, as long as all the hot air gets extracted from your case properly...



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Old 08-03-2008, 10:35 AM   #93
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i'm still waiting for Sapphire to put out a 4850 with one of their Atomic coolers on it. those things did an incredible job with the 3800 series, and they should do a good job with keeping the 4800 series running cool.


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Old 08-03-2008, 01:14 PM   #94
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i'm still waiting for Sapphire to put out a 4850 with one of their Atomic coolers on it. those things did an incredible job with the 3800 series, and they should do a good job with keeping the 4800 series running cool.
In the meantime stinger > why dont you and your 8800GTS join our folding team. The 8800GTS does some phenomenal work once CUDA drivers are installed.

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Old 08-04-2008, 02:41 PM   #95
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i'm still waiting for Sapphire to put out a 4850 with one of their Atomic coolers on it. those things did an incredible job with the 3800 series, and they should do a good job with keeping the 4800 series running cool.
Is that the vapor cooled ones aye?



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Is that the vapor cooled ones aye?
Very interesting. Not having purchased an ATI/AMD product in quite some time I haven't paid much attention to Sapphire and this Vapor Chamber Cooling technology appears to be quite effective. Looks like Sapphire has put out a Toxic version of the HD 4850 (Zalman cooler) but so far no Atomic versions of HD 4800 series GPU's. Also checked Sapphire's forums but no indication that an Atomic 4800 is on its way. Maybe I can wait for another month to see if something comes out but I'm really starting to feel the need for a new graphics card (games, video editing, folding@home) so I don't know if my patience will last that long.


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Old 08-05-2008, 12:33 AM   #97
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In the meantime stinger > why dont you and your 8800GTS join our folding team. The 8800GTS does some phenomenal work once CUDA drivers are installed.

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actually, its a Radeon 2900 Pro, if you remember correctly.

and, yes, i'm planning on joining the LF team. right now, though, i'm currently undergoing a maintenance cycle (driver updates, HD defrag, antivirus upgrade, etc), so its probably going to be a couple of days before i get everything going. if its any consolation, i've downloaded the installation files already.

@ Char Ell - i would be surprised if Sapphire didn't come up with an Atomic product for the 4800 series, but that's not to say that a lack of one wouldn't catch me off guard, neither.


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lolz..stinger I couldve sworn you had a 8800GTS... ah well anyway, for folding you may just want to run the standard, console or GPU client. If you want to be a points mogul... on your setup you could get A GPU client going for your 2900 and at least one cpu core with a console client. DONT mix to gui clients together

I'd be extremely interested to see what the 4870 does with FAH. I was a bit dissapointed with the HD3450 folding prowess...

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Old 08-05-2008, 04:41 AM   #99
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The HD4000 series fares no better compared to the nVidia client because atm F@H attributes more points to nVidia hardware than Ati, because Ati's been doing this for a while, but nVidia just jumped on the bandwagon last month or so...



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Old 08-06-2008, 09:40 AM   #100
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there's a bit mere to it than that negsun. Nvidia Gpus are faster at folding... even folding project designer said so source

The 3450 256 isnt exactly a bottom barrel card, yet it folds 100 times slower than the 8800gts. From all i've read on it, The CUDA functionality is the key difference. Of course, it is probably the only thing CUDA is good for ATM

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Old 08-26-2008, 11:24 AM   #101
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So I'm looking at the Enermax MODU82+ 625W as the power supply I want to get in conjunction with my new graphics card.
- I would probably be fine with a 500 W PSU but I want to have some room to grow if I need to without having to get a new PSU.
- Trying to get peak efficiency while gaming. Not as critical when doing non-CPU intensive tasks like web browsing where the system won't be generating as much heat.

Concerns:
- Exhaust fan on the top of the PSU. My current PSU has two exhaust fans, one in the interior side of the PSU pushing air from inside the case into the PSU and the other on the back of the PSU pushing the air outside of the case. My case has an exhaust fan on the top as well but I'd prefer having the PSU push the air outside the case rather than inside the case and let my case exhaust fans pull the PSU-generated heat out.
- Modular cabling. I like the idea of only using the cables I need and not having to tie up the non-used cables and leave them inside the case. Don't know if there are any issues with modular cabling's longevity though.


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- Exhaust fan on the top of the PSU. My current PSU has two exhaust fans, one in the interior side of the PSU pushing air from inside the case into the PSU and the other on the back of the PSU pushing the air outside of the case. My case has an exhaust fan on the top as well but I'd prefer having the PSU push the air outside the case rather than inside the case and let my case exhaust fans pull the PSU-generated heat out.
I wouldn't worry too much to be honest. What the design of this fan does (by drawing air in and pushing it down) is cause a circular airflow inside your case. You want to keep the air, and more importantly, dust, moving and the psu generates a "jet stream" if you will of forced air. Although the fan is on top of the case, it will actually point down when you mount it (notice the off corner screw is on the bottom of the psu casing) Same as how my psu is pictured.

Drawing air in the psu from the back, then pushing it out/down cools the psu, generates the 'jet stream' and allows your case fans to complete the cycle. It's along the same system as when ppl mount front case fans. Those should always be mounted to bring air "IN" not push air out

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- Modular cabling. I like the idea of only using the cables I need and not having to tie up the non-used cables and leave them inside the case. Don't know if there are any issues with modular cabling's longevity though.
I swear by modular cabling since while its convenient to use only the cables you want.. it's also more streamlining to let air flow freely without too much breaking up (see jet stream above). The cabling is actually far sturdier than most people think and it's often flexible enough to zip-tie etc to your hearts' desire.


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Recommendations for LGA 775 CPU cooler

The 80 mm fan on my current Cooler Master Mini Aquagate is locking up on me. I checked and Cooler Master doesn't sell the Mini Aquagates anymore so I interpret that as meaning it's time to find a different CPU cooler for my system.

I'm looking for recommendations for an effective air-cooled solution for my socket LGA 775 mobo but not wanting to invest a lot of money into it since I plan on upgrading to a Bloomfield CPU next summer/fall. So I guess a good value cooler sums it up.


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i'm guessing that you have a Core 2, right?? if you don't have it overclocked, these will do just fine:

Thermaltake CL-P0378 - $22.99 @ Newegg
Cooler Master Dream 4 - $9.99 @ Newegg (this one very closely resembles the stock coolers that ship with the Core 2 processors)

if you do have it overclocked, well, you shouldn't have much to worry about since your sticking with Intel. most coolers that work for the 775 socket work just fine since Intel didn't mess with the mounting method for the coolers. that is, of course, assuming that you'll be taking parts out of your current rig for the new one. if not, then i would go with the Cooler Master i picked out earlier. its cheap, and it will do the job.

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It would depend on how much room is in your case, but right now this Xigmatek direct-touch heatpipe cooler is on sale for $12.99 after rebate at GougeEgg, and looks like a great deal as long as you don't mind mail-in rebates. If you don't like the push-pins you'll have to get the bolt-through mounting bracket, though. These direct-touch heatpipe Xigmateks have the performance of the high-end (>$50.00) coolers and are quite a bit cheaper. They offer monster overclocking headroom if you're into that kind of thing.


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stinger and Q,
Thanks for the advice. As for my CPU it's a Pentium 4 660 running at a factory clocked 3.6 GHz.


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Just to drop in here, my favorite PC modding magazine swears by the ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro, at $24.99 it's great value, amazingly quiet and it can keep even a heavily overclocked C2D cool

It's a legend amongst the C2D overclockers!

So it should be more than adequate for a P4, even though they run notoriously hot



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Just to drop in here, my favorite PC modding magazine swears by the ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro, at $24.99 it's great value, amazingly quiet and it can keep even a heavily overclocked C2D cool

It's a legend amongst the C2D overclockers!

So it should be more than adequate for a P4, even though they run notoriously hot
Yeah, this thing is looking better and better every time I see it. Wouldn't mind getting one myself as I'm liking the direct touch, copper base and directional fan (up/down/front/back as opposed to 'out' ).

Not exactly 'hardware' but can anyone suggest a nice ceramique based paste? I know the silver based cools a little better.. but ceramique is comparable and won't short my board should any drip.

I usually use Arctic Silver's but if anyone knows of/has better experience with a different compund.. any feedback is greatly appreciated.


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^^^^
out of luck here, man. the only thing i use is Arctic Silver. and if you're worried about drips, just remember: more does not equal better with thermal grease/paste.


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Hey, right now I'm using a Pentium D 920 2.8ghz, and I was looking toward a cheap upgrade, possibly to one of the Phenom quad-cores.

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Old 01-03-2009, 11:08 AM   #111
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its always a matter of how much you'll be willing to spend. its possible that you could be able to pick up a Core2 for your current system, but i don't think you'll find any available (and determining compatibility could be a nightmare as well). of course, that means a new motherboard, and that opens up a whole new can of worms.

before you can really even think processor, you're going to have think about what hardware you can reuse with the new board such as the hard drive(s), disc drives, PSU, RAM, and video card (if you have one). just keep in mind that some of that hardware isn't going to transfer well or at all. if you have an AGP-based video card, then you'll have to think about a new video card as well. you'll also want to check what kind of RAM is currently installed on your system. if you have DDR, you're out of luck since all boards from the past couple of years use either DDR2 or DDR3 RAM.

you'll also have to keep in mind that it will invalidate your copy of Windows installed on your current hard drive which means that you'll have to at least uninstall Windows on that hard drive. you'll have to reinstall it and then activate it somehow depending on what version you have.

anyways, just keep these things in mind for the moment. since you'll probably have to upgrade the motherboard, you'll probably want to start thinking about just getting a new system entirely. again, though, its all going to come down to how much you're willing to spend.


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Old 03-12-2009, 10:38 AM   #112
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OK. So I want to build a PC for both folding and HTPC use.
- want to go with an AMD quad-core CPU
- want to use the SMP client
- want it to be as power-efficient as possible within economic reason (it will be folding when it's not doing recording or playback so I realize this won't be a low power setup)
- HD playback/recording capability is a nice to have but not required
- I was also thinking of possibly using a Linux OS
- and of course I want to spend as little as possible, hopefully less than USD$500

Recommendations?


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Old 03-13-2009, 11:46 PM   #113
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a low power folder/htpc is entirely possible on a shuttle

I have similar plans to yourself and am looking at the SN78SH7

getting a barebone is cheaper. Add your own GPU, HD, RAM and CPU...

The only problem with this setup is if you have a dual slot card, you are limited to using a usb tuner for htpc functionality. If youre not planning on using this with a dual slot card, you could go for a cheaper variant. Of course, you could ditch the card altogether and use the onboard nv8200 for htpc purposes. You could likely use it for folding as well as integrated 8200 is cuda enabled

There are many linux htpc variants. These sre chiefly used by 3 types:
*advanced setups, arch linux severs etc
*people who like the advanced tinkering
*people who hate MS

Feel free to have a squiz around the Linux area at the htpc site I contribute at. I have a cataclysmic personality clash with the guy who presides over this area, so you wont see much of me in there Lots of great info though...

Alternately, you could get a ps3..games, folds, bluray and pvr functionality with playtv addon.

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Old 03-14-2009, 03:27 PM   #114
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I've considered the PS3 but haven't researched it a great deal. It doesn't seem like PlayTV has made it to the U.S.A. and even if it has I'm not so sure I want to risk getting locked into a Sony proprietary system.

I looked at the SN78SH7 but it doesn't support AM3 processors and I really wanted to get a Phenom II. Also I would much prefer to get a system with NVIDIA 9300 onboard graphics. Only problem seems to be that there aren't any motherboards out there that support AM3 processors and NVIDIA 9300. Maybe I should just wait to see what Shuttle comes out with later in the year since they're the only ones who seem able/willing to support AMD and NVIDIA on the same motherboard.


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Old 03-15-2009, 09:11 AM   #115
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....Only problem seems to be that there aren't any motherboards out there that support AM3 processors and NVIDIA 9300... Maybe I should just wait......
lolz. I dont think there's any other course of action if those are your requirements Char! Give it to the end of the year

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Old 03-15-2009, 02:18 PM   #116
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Well, not requirements exactly but yes, as I continued doing more research that is kind of where I ended up with.

I decided I wanted a 45 nm processor and it seems like the Phenom II's are the only AMD processor that meets that. Of course I could always go with Core 2 Quad but I did want to try an AMD processor in this setup. I think I could be happy with an AMD Phenom II x3 720. I've read a few accounts of people saying they've been able to unlock the 4th processor on these but I'm good with this CPU even if I can't unlock the 4th core.

I'm curious what your thoughts as to the onboard graphics solution would you go with for an HTPC setup right now. My initial thought is that NVIDIA 9300/9400 is one of the best onboard solutions out there for this and a significant step up from the 8200. Maybe I've missed seeing a better solution in the onboard graphics arena.


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Old 03-15-2009, 03:12 PM   #117
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If you want more than 2 cores, the PII X3 is simply the best value out there right now.

As far as onboard graphics go, the AMD 790 is the most powerful, but since you're a Folder, Nvidia may be a better option for you. Don't expect stellar gaming performance from either one of them, though.


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I definitely like the price point on the Phenom II X3's.

Don't plan on playing any games on this system. The only reason I want to go with NVIDIA 9300 is because it seems to consume significantly less electricity than the 790 GX according to this Anandtech report. Otherwise the two seem to be comparable in overall performance.


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I definitely like the price point on the Phenom II X3's.

Don't plan on playing any games on this system. The only reason I want to go with NVIDIA 9300 is because it seems to consume significantly less electricity than the 790 GX according to this Anandtech report. Otherwise the two seem to be comparable in overall performance.
Low power AM2 folder with onboard nv GPU... cant beat this atm:
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- Socket AM2 HTT 3000 MHz AMD® Opteron™ with HyperTransport Technology
- AMD Phenom, Athlon 64 FX, Athlon 64 X2, Athlon 64 (CPU ≤ 65W)
- NVIDIA GeForce 8200 mGPU (MCP78S) single chipset supports DirectX 10 / PureVideo HD
- 1 * 240-pin DIMM Sockets for unbuffered Dual DDR2 800 SDRAM up to 2 GB
- Support 4 * SATA-2 Devices with RAID 0, 1, 0+1, 5 Functions
- Realtek ALC883 8-Channel Azalia HD Audio CODEC
- Advanced 3-Phase PWM Design W / OC-CON Capacitors
- Support 1080i / 1080p / HDCP / Blu-Ray HD DVD playback
- Dual Gigabit LAN / Dual Display / Dual Core Supported
- 1 * 32-bit PCI Slots
- 2 * Ultra DMA 133 / 100 / 66 IDE Devices Supported
- 1 * VGA / 1 * DVI / HDMI 1.3 Ready / SPDIF out
http://www.jetwaycomputer.com/NC62K.html



put in in a lovely mimi-itx case by www.aywun.com and you're all set

There are mini-itx boards touting 9300, but intel flavour only atm(they also have pcie x16!)

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GeForce 8600 GTS to GeForce 9800 GTX ???

On the surface, it seems like a no-brainer, but I've been burned enough times to know to ask first. Do I need to worry about compatibility with slightly older games like SW:KotOR - TSL or Morrowind?

Should I spend the $20 extra and get the EVGA GTS 250 SC instead?

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