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Old 07-19-2008, 06:53 AM   #321
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AMD could help their sad financial situation by making some tough but wise decisions like adapting their successful 780G chipset to support Intel CPUs. They'd make a pile of money off of just that.


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Old 07-20-2008, 09:45 AM   #322
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AMD could help their sad financial situation by making some tough but wise decisions like adapting their successful 780G chipset to support Intel CPUs. They'd make a pile of money off of just that.
Q, that is indeed a corporately sensible idea. However, it may mean that AMD and intel will be collaborating rather competing. the effect on prices of such a collaboration may not be something that appeals to the likes of consumers like us. Definitely hard work ahead for AMD's new CEO

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Old 07-21-2008, 12:27 PM   #323
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Hilbert at G3D has finally got his 4870X2 preview card and has now posted a jaw droppingly detailed preview. I hassled him enough on the G3D forums for him to remember to report the cards actual length: 27 cm. Phawr! That's not going to fit into my shuttle without some case modding. lolz. what to do....

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Old 07-24-2008, 06:04 AM   #324
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^ Omg, is that Astro *not* praising Shuttles???!!!

DX11 compatible with Vista and DX10/10.1 hardware!

Good news I guess, if only they'd now put it all to good use...



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Old 07-24-2008, 02:41 PM   #325
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^^^^
yeah, what sucks with current DX10 games is that they often times look just fine on DX9. the improvement is occasionally noticeable, but its not something you're going to notice in the middle of a firefight on Crysis. that's why i can't get too excited about DX11's "better graphics capability".

the good news is that with DX11, your graphics card basically becomes a separate processor entirely that can be used for a lot more than graphics. good call by Microsoft to recognize that the CPU isn't the only hardware element that is capable of making calculations, especially given how powerful video cards are becoming.

i can't say that i'm excited about it, but its interesting nonetheless.


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^ Omg, is that Astro *not* praising Shuttles???!!!
It must be midlife crisis hitting him...first he says he's going Ati...then this...
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Old 07-24-2008, 05:33 PM   #327
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*ominous music playing*

Is this the end of things as we know it? What's next? Will he swap his UHD monitor for a lowly 1080p one???

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Old 07-25-2008, 05:00 AM   #328
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you must have misunderstood my post surely My SN27 AM2 mainboard in a shuttle P2 case will need some 'after market solutions' to make a 27cm card fit due to wires and bits in the way. Im actually investigating an interesting option using server tech known as wearout extenders. The card may fit that way without any dremel action reqd.

I'd never sell my 1600p monitor, though I'll probably eventually upgrade our main TV(SHD only) to a 1080p one for the ps3.... no hurry though.

I loves me shuttles, I just bought another G5 t'other day One of those luverly silver ones... theyre just so cool. I'll likely add one of those VFDs in future. This will be used as a htpc mainly.

SHuttle has just released their very first models with hybrid mainboards, which will be interesting for us htpc-ers in particular. Im not jumping at them though, I think fusion is going to revolutionise media pcs....when fusion eventually arrives, that is!



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Old 07-26-2008, 05:15 PM   #329
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Just for fun, here's a graph of an HD4870 beating a GTX 260 in 2 out of 4 benchmarks, and matching it's perfomance in Crysis, and technically only lower than the GTX 260 in the ARMA: Armed Assault benchmark (really, who plays that game anyways )



Here in the UK, the HD4870 is about £20 ($40) cheaper than the GTX260, on average!



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Old 07-26-2008, 06:40 PM   #330
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Here in the US, Nvidia's board partners have lowballed their prices on the GTX260 so much that for now it's the better deal. Right now you can get the EVGA GTX260 Superclocked Edition for $225 after rebate at GougeEgg. These two cards are so evenly matched that it all comes down to which one is cheaper.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and I'm hearing definite buzz about a GT200 die-shrink (55NM) due to come out soon after the release of the 4870X2. DAAMIT has really kicked nVidia in to high-gear damage control. This is a full-fledge, take-no-prisoners price war that we've got on our hands. Gotta love competition.


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Old 07-27-2008, 10:19 AM   #331
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I think it's about time the focus is now firmly and Keenly on the GPU side of a gaming setup. For the moment, cpu news is almost at a stand still as the world awaits the 4870X2 and nvidia's response.

I think we should also spare a thought for the tech nerds at Qimonda -It's their GDDR5 wizardry that is the core of AMD's success.

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Old 07-27-2008, 12:18 PM   #332
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Yep, Ati and their new GPU line-up is AMD's saviour by far, cause their Phenoms alone would've spelled bankruptcy...



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Old 07-28-2008, 06:00 AM   #333
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....I think we should also spare a thought for the tech nerds at Qimonda -It's their GDDR5 wizardry that is the core of AMD's success.....
lolz. straight after I wrote that I read a report spelling out Infineon have ditched their Qimonda subsidiary. Maybe GDDR5 wasn't enough for them to keep an kicking on :P

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Old 07-28-2008, 02:32 PM   #334
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lolz. straight after I wrote that I read a report spelling out Infineon have ditched their Qimonda subsidiary. Maybe GDDR5 wasn't enough for them to keep an kicking on :P

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Old 08-02-2008, 11:02 AM   #335
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now here's a weird read. the 4850 2gb: quadruple the framebuffer, almost zero gains from the 512 mb version. WTFlolz is my take on it...

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Old 08-09-2008, 09:39 AM   #336
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Im sure some people out there will be curious and/or pleased to learn that on August 12 nvidia will be releasing drivers to enable physX functionality on their GPUs

I wonder if the enabling of these advanced physics capabilities will make TFU a possibility on PC? [/speculation]

anyway. more info HERE

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Old 08-09-2008, 07:20 PM   #337
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LA being too lazy is all that's keeping TFU away from the PC, if it can be coded for a friggin' PS2...

Official name for Nehalem revealed
^ Core i7??? Really doesn't improve my opinion for all things starting with a lower case "i" (with one major exception being the iPhone)

Larrabee structure officially revealed!
^ All seems quite impressive, in theory, which is all it is just now I suppose...

AMD's Fusion "Shrike" details leaked
^ Nothing too exciting though, but the move to 40nm and later 32nm can't come too soon for AMD!



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Old 08-10-2008, 02:28 AM   #338
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Heres some more high end GPU goodness from Hilbert at G3D

Quad SLI does damage at 1600p, requires carbon offsets to assuage guilt at power usage

nvidia PhysX detailed review and tests

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Old 08-12-2008, 04:04 AM   #339
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Good ole HH finally got a retail 4870X2 to play with,

The new ubercard is here

looks like RRP is USD 549.

Will be interested to see nvidias 55nm response

I think they should include folding numbers in benchmarking tests nowadays

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Old 08-15-2008, 04:04 AM   #340
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@ Astro:

FOLDING

"A single HD 4870 scores 1783ppd while using Stanford's Folding@home GPU client and drew 349W while folding. Using a single instance of the folding client with the HD 4870 X2, only generated 1,237ppd while the system drew 334W. Clearly both cores weren't engaged and we couldn't, at the time of writing, convince an instance to run on each of the card's GPUs."

From this review of the HD 4870X2



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Old 08-15-2008, 07:31 AM   #341
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AWESOME work negsun. I should have thought to check custompc, as they are pretty proud of their folding team

Well, I have to say, the 280 is *sortve* starting to look like my next card..... My 8800GTS gives me nearly 4000 PPD. The other(perhaps more telling) factor is that the 280 seems to play happy with the shuttle smallforms PSU. The only people running the 4870X2 are those who have thrown full ATX PSUs into their shuttle, which defeats the purpose of a small footprint rig, IMO.

Still, I will wait and see what nvidias response to the 4870X2 is

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Old 08-16-2008, 02:05 AM   #342
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You're wise to wait, Astro. There's a 55NM version of the GTX280 due to be released very soon in an attempt to steal some of the 4870X2's thunder. It should boast higher clocks and lower temps and power draw. It will probably be reasonably priced in order to be competitive because it won't be able to beat the X2 in sheer performance. It won't have any of the multi-GPU scaling issues, however, and it will be the fastest single-GPU card out there. And, of course, with CUDA it will be a F@H monster. Definitely an option for those who dislike multi-GPU setups.

I'm loving it. No matter what team you buy from, your options are going to be far better thanks to ATI's being competitive again. Since the 48xx series is selling like crack, I hope this means that DAAMIT isn't going to fold any time soon.


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Yep. nvidia announced they will release the GTX 280+ during the upcoming nvision2008 expo Which will be running on August 25-27th. Not too far away at all

As for AMD, its unlikely they will fold, though they are breaking off their manufacturing division. With R800 being announced as sitting on fusion CnGPUs, theres going to be alot riding on how fusion does. It could be a deal breaker for them. Then again, you have intel tinkering away on Larabee too

Here's something you probably already know, being a CPU guru..

Intel developer forum shows Octo-core roadmap.. Looks like Octo-core will hit us at about the same time as Windows7.



Does that mean Haswell is Dodeca-core(12)? Sometimes even I get the creeps thinking about where tech will be in 20 years time..

damn that Mr Moore was right

Being a display-phile, all I really want is true 3d holographic projection! I know things like the heliodisplay exist, but they are a bit far from sitting on our desktops just yet...

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Old 08-16-2008, 04:31 PM   #344
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I'd just be satisfied with an affordable OLED that blows LCD and plasma away.

Everything I've read about Haswell points to its being a native octa-core, though all of these cores will be rendered superfluous in the absence of multi-threaded software to take advantage of them, niche products aside. Software developers really need to catch up with CPU development. We've only had multi-cored CPUs on the desktop for, what, 3.5 years now?


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Fix their home team score on the board to the debt clock, they can win every game 17,000,000,000,000 to 24. Losing team gets taxed by the IRS 100%, then droned."
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OLED isnt far away from hitting the shelves, but still a distance from being cheap I must admit, the low power footprint OLED is promising is appealing to those of us who like to keep our power bills trim !

Yep, its only animators, video editing/rendering folk that get the most out of all their cores(and folders too not to mention)

Gaming will get there, slowly. The minimum specs for a game nudge up each year, but that optimised multi-core standard isnt here yet, and probably wont be until windows7(if then)

The initial scuttlebut was that W7 was not going to support single core or x86 setups, but this was likely just a fanboy rumour

It definitely would be the prod devs needed to start optimising for higher end setups, but from a marketing perspective, would make W7 less popular than even vista

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I just want to get a CPU that has a faster clock and can run more threads than a PS 3 and Xbox 360. So the hyperthreaded Bloomfield @ 3.3GHz or better is what I'm waiting for. I know it's not an apples to apples comparison but I want to have a single socket PC that can boast it has more processing power than the consoles.

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For the RAM-Fans amongst us... you may get excited at Gigabytes Core i7 prototype, unveiled at the recent nvision conference...

4 PCI-e x16 slots, up to 24GB of DDR3(Triple dual channel)

I wonder if chainz has one on pre-order yet

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For the RAM-Fans amongst us... you may get excited at Gigabytes Core i7 prototype, unveiled at the recent nvision conference...

4 PCI-e x16 slots, up to 24GB of DDR3(Triple dual channel)

I wonder if chainz has one on pre-order yet

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For the RAM-Fans amongst us... you may get excited at Gigabytes Core i7 prototype, unveiled at the recent nvision conference...

4 PCI-e x16 slots, up to 24GB of DDR3(Triple dual channel)
so, this is for the enthusiast that wants to play Mass Effect and UT3 simultaneously??

with that much available horsepower, you might be able to run Crysis on your monitor Astro.


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so, this is for the enthusiast that wants to play Mass Effect and UT3 simultaneously??

with that much available horsepower, you might be able to run Crysis on your monitor Astro.
The prototype in that linkie is actually the x-fire version. Im sure that with two 4870X2s(or 4x 4870s) on there, Crysis would be mince meat at 1600p. But then again, who wants to pay for such kit, and its associated power bills.

Nope. Poppin a (most likely)280+ in my shuttle will be fine for me Eventually maybe an x4 phenom eventually. 3 cores can fold, one can hop in a hammock and keep a lazy eye on the fort My rig can take up to 16GB. I currently have just pulled a stick out and have 3GB. Even with all the folding/gaming etc, I never seem to use RAM at more than 40%, and thats on x64. As it stands, I cant think of what Id do with 16GB. I think 4GB sticks are out, but they are far from cheap...

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wow.. I was blown away by this one...

Ive seen ladies that were gaming or coding/modding savvy(we even have a couple around here), but ever met a lady into GPU kit, Nitrogen Overclocking etc..? I definitely havent in all my travels...

But alas, one exists... check out Steffee aka "SLI Chick" rip into GTX280 overclock with a cannister of nitro...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-Fvelz5hW8

newsworthy in itself IMO.

* * *

Perhaps only exciting for myself, Quad HD displays to go production in 2009...

4,096 x 2,400 (4K2K for us display junkies) aka 2400p...

Panasonic will be releasing their 150 Inch 4K2K "Life Wall TV" next year. I have always been ranting that I want wall size UHD displays, so its good to see theyre listening

1600p is so 2007

Of course, not even a GTX280 in quad sli can even think about rendering a game in 2400p, but we'll get there (give it 5-7 years)

* * *

Here's some phun AMD news...

Rumour: Dual core, K10 based, Athlon branded CPUs on way from AMD

There definitely is a bit of confusion surrounding this rumour... 2.3Ghz? Apparently, these were initially going to be "Phenom" branded, but maybe AMD has made a marketing decision to revert to Athlon for their more successful dual core range?

AMD to switch to AM3/DDR3 in Jan 2009

AMD bringing out 45nm X4s by Jan 2009 Fanboys of course are crossing their fingers for higher clockspeeds

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One for teh Astro

Nvidia GPUs responsible for 42% of FAH output

Wow, that a lot!!!

P.S.: Sorry for being MIA, been enjoying a well-deserved holiday back home in Belgium with the family...Gutted for going back to work on monday though!



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One for teh Astro

Nvidia GPUs responsible for 42% of FAH output

Wow, that a lot!!!

P.S.: Sorry for being MIA, been enjoying a well-deserved holiday back home in Belgium with the family...Gutted for going back to work on monday though!
yes, you have been MIA, I posted that a few days ago in our folding social group miniforum, as it was folding related But still good to see you back

The nvision conference wrapped up recently. Whilst some interesting stuff was shown, they didnt seem to announce the 55nm 280+.. which is what the rumour was... damn fanboy rumours If you are interested in more detail about the nvision conference, HH from G3D flew to San Jose to check it out. Total War fans would be interested to see that the new installment is looking awesome...

Whilst you're there you might want to check out the review of the pre overclocked BFG GTX 280 OCX, which IIRC is the card our master folder chainz has been destroying WUs with

so as far as hardware goes, the 280+ now seems to be the focus for many who werent swayed towards ATIs power guzzling 4870X2...

You know what they say:
"if you cant do it with a single GPU, youre not doin it right"

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Whilst you're there you might want to check out the review of the pre overclocked BFG GTX 280 OCX, which IIRC is the card our master folder chainz has been destroying WUs with
Yeah, that sucker is a beast! I actually have the lower OC'ed version (the OC).

Clock - 615mhz
Memory - 1107mhz
Shader - 1350mhz

BFG has 3 tiers of the demon card. OC, OC2 & OCX

http://bfgtech.com/Product.aspx?Cate...cs%20Cards

Though with the temps I'm getting and the mobo BIOS settings.. I could definitely get mine to these specs.. just not under the warranty
Considering the specs and benches I'm getting.. no matter which tier you go.. you won't be disappointed. Sure SLI/Crossfire cards can get about the same specs.. but the GTX280 does it with a single gpu with no bottlenecking AND can be tripled (depending on your bank account )

I believe no matter which version you use.. F@H assigns 480 points to GTX280 WU's.. but don't quote me.. hehehe


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I believe no matter which version you use.. F@H assigns 480 points to GTX280 WU's.. but don't quote me.. hehehe
Yep, I am getting the same point allocation for the 8800GTS, but the 280 gets through its WUs quicker.

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Here's a nifty and quite comprehensive tool for those who want to delve into their GPU a bit more... RivaTuner 2.0 is up and ready, and features support for lastest nvidia and ATI(non beta) drivers.

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Nvidia and ATI accused of price fixing!!!
^ Wow, weird stuff, at least it benefits the consumers though....



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Nvidia and ATI accused of price fixing!!!
^ Wow, weird stuff, at least it benefits the consumers though....
***BREAKING NEWS***
***CORPORATIONS WANT TO MAKE MONEY***

Do I sense some sarcasm or just BS? Please don't patronize people in such way there's no need, this is the news and gossip thread after all, if you must vent your overload of sarcastic energy, I'm sure there's some emo kids hanging around in dire need of a verbal molestation



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aw darnit... when I saw jmacs name glowing and throbbing with a new post in here, I rushed in thinking he/she had contributed an interesting news story or review for us to read....

>>>

In other whirlwind events, MS has rolled out its 'BlueTrack' mouse. Many mouse geeks seem impressed with its speed and agility. Apparently, a gaming optimised version is due in Feb 09...

Those who are ati fanboyz interested in hearing about the new budget card from AMD, check out this review of the HD 4670

In Birthday related news, would ye believe the good ole integrated circuit recently turned 50 Going from producing a waveform on an oscilloscope in 1958 to Crysis at UHD in 2008 has taken trillions of dollars and even more man hours.... Who says technology is moving too fast

However, my lolz of the week goes to the former intel employee who got busted stealing secrets to take to his new employer AMD Apparently, on hearing he was going to work for AMD, suspicious supervisors ordered a log of his system activities... Eventually the FBI raided his house and found all the incriminating stuff..

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lolz @ the FBI looking after Intel's best interests!



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@negsun... it's pretty obvious what CPUs they have in their rigs over at Quantico

Here's some very interesting news.... The new GTX260, with an extra 24 stream processors...(216 total) Full review here

Here's a byte from HH@G3D
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* The product at reference specification is pretty much dead on with a Radeon HD 4870, at a slightly lower price = a win.
* The BFG version is massively overclocked, performance is actually close and/or similar to the GeForce GTX 280 = a win.
I have to admit....Im very tempted.... the 280+ doesnt seem to be on its way until december....

*ruminates upon issue*

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