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Old 09-01-2008, 04:38 PM   #41
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What were they supposed to do?
Doing nothing will certainly solve everything.


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Old 09-01-2008, 05:05 PM   #42
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Resist. They're Jedi. If all of them ganged up, they could probably have at least diced Sion apart, although he would have eventually reassembled himself like Cthulhu unless they killed him properly by staking him, cutting his head off, filling his mouth with garlic, drowning him in Holy Water, burning him, and then spreading his ashes over Holy Ground.
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Old 09-01-2008, 05:20 PM   #43
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Vrook was with Adare in Khoonda, but he didn't help her with the reconstruction. She was actually helping him to preserve the ruins of the enclave from the scavengers. He took the first chance he could to be captured and shipped out of that place, but got angry at the Exile for forcing him to help against the mercenaries.
Well, someone needed to preserve the Jedi artefacts and teachings left behind, otherwise the Jedi wouldn't survive. But Vrook couldn't know that Atris was already doing the same.

But by allowing himself to be captured, the problems the mercenaries caused would likely diminish, thereby allowing the people of Dantooine to continue the reconstruction with little interruption.

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And going out and being killed one by one would solve everything too.






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Old 09-01-2008, 05:56 PM   #44
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Well, someone needed to preserve the Jedi artefacts and teachings left behind, otherwise the Jedi wouldn't survive. But Vrook couldn't know that Atris was already doing the same.

But by allowing himself to be captured, the problems the mercenaries caused would likely diminish, thereby allowing the people of Dantooine to continue the reconstruction with little interruption.
The issue the jedi should have been focused on was defeating the sith... not preserving the jedi. Atris was more interested in acquiring power for herself and was the greatest enemy to the jedi. She arranged for Katarr to be destroyed and for the other masters to gather on Dantooine, where she wouldn't be in danger, herself.

The only one who was directly responsible for saving the jedi was the Exile. The jedi who remained were more interested in saving themselves and their way than in saving the Republic. If KZE had been a true jedi, he would have stood up against the masters for their sin against the Exile. Kavar would have not turned on his friend. Vrook would have not been so bogged down with the jedi to realize that stopping the sith was the real goal.

Vrook's capture would have served for good once. After that, he would have been dead. The Exile did all he aimed for and more... he still treated her like she was a threat.
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Old 09-02-2008, 12:41 AM   #45
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Well, someone needed to preserve the Jedi artefacts and teachings left behind, otherwise the Jedi wouldn't survive. But Vrook couldn't know that Atris was already doing the same.
She preserved artifacts, yes, but teachigns? Who did she teach? If anything, her "preservation" meant that anyone looking for Jedi teachings (Mical, for instance) would find that someone done taken them already. She was killing the Jedi Order by simply sitting alone in an ice hole ranting about her bitter hatred of the Exile to a bunch of albino chicks. Wait, what were we talking about?

As Brianna says, it's not enough to preserve knowledge; bringing that knowledge to others is what's important.

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And going out and being killed one by one would solve everything too.
Silly Jedi.

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Vrook's capture would have served for good once. After that, he would have been dead. The Exile did all he aimed for and more... he still treated her like she was a threat.
Well, the Exile was a threat. Possibly even a bigger threat than the Sith. The problem is that the Council treated the Exile as a threat, rather than a fellow Jedi. Instead of healing the wound, they decided to kill the patient and cut their losses. A rather Sithy thing to do, oddly enough.

And in any case, they could have at least waited until after the Exile killed all the Sith to stop them, instead of before, destroying their only chance to turn the tide to their side.


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Old 09-02-2008, 01:32 PM   #46
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Vrook was with Adare in Khoonda, but he didn't help her with the reconstruction. She was actually helping him to preserve the ruins of the enclave from the scavengers. He took the first chance he could to be captured and shipped out of that place, but got angry at the Exile for forcing him to help against the mercenaries.
Vrook would end up helping all along. He let himself get caught too, so he didn't owed anything to the Exile.

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ZKE was wise and all, but didn't help the Exile when she needed help the most. His intentions were well placed, but his actions were passive and provided few deeds for anyone other than jedi.
HIs actions at Nar Shadaa were good for the Jedi? I'm interested on knowing how.


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If one of the Jedi Masters went to fight the sith, they'd likely end up like Vash. She'd been killed, hadn't she? Half of the council had perished on Katarr, hadn't they? The remaining Masters didn't want to reveal themselves to the enemy, and couldn't gather, or else they would run the risk of being targetted... like they were at the end, on Dantooine.
That's my point, you just said it to me again. Nevertheless, and on a smalle dimension, they still helped people.


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Old 09-02-2008, 02:39 PM   #47
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They should have DIED then. They're Jedi, sworn to protect the Galaxy from the depredations of the Sith. If they couldn't take the pressure, they shouldn't keep calling themselves Jedi.
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Old 09-03-2008, 11:30 PM   #48
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Doing nothing will certainly solve everything.
Getting themselves smashed like bugs on the windshield has at best the same result as doing nothing.

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She arranged for Katarr to be destroyed and for the other masters to gather on Dantooine, where she wouldn't be in danger, herself.
Atris didn't arrange for the planet's destruction. Only for Nihilus being there. She figured the Jedi there would be able to kill Nihilus.

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They should have DIED then. They're Jedi, sworn to protect the Galaxy from the depredations of the Sith. If they couldn't take the pressure, they shouldn't keep calling themselves Jedi.
Smarter to die than wait for when you can make a difference? There's something in that statement that doesn't sound right to be.


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Old 09-03-2008, 11:34 PM   #49
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Oh, yeah, because they sure waited for when they could make a difference. No, wait. They got killed without making any difference at all.
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Old 09-04-2008, 11:57 AM   #50
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To answere the question. No, the exile is not the last of the Jedi. I dont know what they were thinking when they made the game. But i believe its mostly just to get fans excited. "Last of the Jedi".. Whooo, cool

Then when you play the game its like, WTF...

Even if people think this story is deep or whatever, i dont even believe that the developers understood what they were doing sometimes. They just hoped that we would buy the story, even if it did not make sense..


If we are all clones, why am i the only one with a sense of humor?
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Old 09-04-2008, 02:53 PM   #51
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Oh, yeah, because they sure waited for when they could make a difference. No, wait. They got killed without making any difference at all.
Which is unnacceptable, since the Jedi don't ever fail, right? It was worth the shot of hide and stay hidden, but the situation changed and so did their plans and fate.


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Old 09-04-2008, 03:01 PM   #52
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These Jedi didn't just fail in their objective, they failed in their obligations as a Jedi. Rather than resisting the Sith incursions in any way they could, they sought to save their own skins. At least Zez-Kai Ell turned his back on the Jedi Order, Kavar, Vrook, and Atris all continued to consider themselves Jedi Knights, despite how little they were following it's edicts.
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Old 09-04-2008, 03:39 PM   #53
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I don't see how that view could be valid. Had they continued to expose themselves to the unknown Sith threat they were facing, they would have been utterly extinct. And we're talking about a Jedi Order that had been weakened by three devastating wars on a very short period.


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