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Old 10-06-2008, 09:40 PM   #1
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Old Testament Question

Old Testament Question
Achlles' threads got me thinking. I have a question about the Old Testament, and I don't believe there is a simple answer. If this has been presented before, I'm sorry for opening a new thread. My intention is to challange what everyone knows about biblical scripture, and to get people to ask questions beyond, "It just is." I'm hoping to get theoretical and biblical answers. This thread is for serious theorists, biblical scholars, and historians. I'm expecting both biblical facts and theoretical probability.

I'm not a person who memorizes biblical scripture line by line; therefore, I'm going to be using theoretical reasoning. One night while skimming the book of Genisis, I stumbled upon some scriptural anomalies. Being a person with casual religious practice, I needed to seek out some answers. Everyone I talked to were of religious affiliation, and they all couldn't give me a definitive answer. I walked away with more questions than answers.

My findings -

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Originally Posted by Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.
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Originally Posted by Genesis 3:22
And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
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Originally Posted by Genesis 11:7
Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
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Originally Posted by Isaiah 6:8
Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here am I; send me.
I have heard the trinity theory, but it just doesn't add up. Maybe someone could shead some light on the subject. Do you see the anomalies?

Thank you kindly,
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Old 10-06-2008, 09:41 PM   #2
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The Trinity does add up.

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Hi Inyri!

Look into the section under 2.1.1 References to the Trinity, and you will find that those lines are not there.
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So?

You don't really think there are only six references to the trinity in the whole Bible, do you?

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Old 10-06-2008, 09:49 PM   #5
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Normally the Old Testament passages are fleshed out in the New Testament and Revelation. Are there any passages, later on in the bible, that point to those exact moments, and then say, "Hey that was the trinity?"

Maybe I missed something.
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Old 10-06-2008, 09:52 PM   #6
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You should ask a priest if you want clarification on Bible verses, since they study the Bible, unlike the rest of us who just pick out the bits and pieces that support our ideas.

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I spoke to preists and reverends. I was hoping someone would have more insight. They couldn't give me more information.

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You don't really think there are only six references to the trinity in the whole Bible, do you?
I can see where you are going. I know that there are more than a few lines. I was hopping to get an answer beyond, "It just is." I was looking for more insight.

Maybe I shouldn't be asking this type of question.
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Elohim, the name given to God in many books of the Old Testament is assumed by many to be the plural for of Eloah (strong, powerful one), thus the plural pronouns are used in translation. Some believe Elohim may be a Israelite modification of the Canaanite word elim (strengths, or angels) in the same way Abram became Abraham. Either way, the -im suffix is typically construed as plural though the case of Elohim may have been meant as singular.

I find the word eloquent because it suggests unity and multiplicity in coexistence.


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Elohim, the name given to God in many books of the Old Testament is assumed by many to be the plural for of Eloah (strong, powerful one), thus the plural pronouns are used in translation. Some believe Elohim may be a Israelite modification of the Canaanite word elim (strengths, or angels) in the same way Abram became Abraham. Either way, the -im suffix is typically construed as plural though the case of Elohim may have been meant as singular.

I find the word eloquent because it suggests unity and multiplicity in coexistence.
Elohim (gods)
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In the Levantine pantheon, the Elohim are the sons of El the ancient of days (olam) assembled on the divine holy place, Mount Zephon (Jebel Aqra). This mountain, which lies in Syria, was regarded as a portal to its heavenly counterpart. The Elohim are ruled by the El called Hadad the most high (elyon) who was known among the common people as "the master" ("Baal"). Assembled on the holy mountain of heaven and ruled by one, the pantheon (Elohim) acts as one. The enemy of the Elohim is Yam whom El also created.
I had no idea that the word was translated in that manner.
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Old 10-07-2008, 09:23 PM   #10
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Hey Yar-El, I'm not sure if this will answer your question directly, but even in the Old Testament I believe there are references/hints towards the concept of Trinity later in the Bible. Take for example this passage, seems to hint towards the crucifixion. This passage is even clearer about there being multiple persons in the Godhead, considering one of the 10 commandments says not to have any other god and the monotheistic nature of the rest of the Old Testament.


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Old 10-09-2008, 05:40 PM   #11
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I knew there was scripture on the trinity in the Old Testament. I was looking for a piece of scripture that would have cleared up those other versus. Other writters in the bible usually backup or explain previous events.
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