Should Kavar's Corner take a month long break?

[Inyri]

I never said anything about acceptable/unacceptable viewpoints/sources. I said something about trolls.

[Q]

And why are they being labeled as trolls?

[Inyri]

Because they're trolls.

Definition of troll: clickie

[Q]

Yes, I know what a troll is.

Besides the tendency towards off-topicness, which I don't see as deliberate attempts at thread derailment, what else are they doing wrong?

[Inyri]

I already explained this several posts ago. You're free to read that one, or KinchyB's post. I think repeating myself would be a little spammy.

[Q]

Very well. I was just curious. And yes, you've certainly answered my question to my satisfaction. Thank you.

[Yar-El]

Originally Posted by KinchyB

Another thought... How about we ban people who cherry pick, ignore facts/sources, and are basically there to only spread their own propaganda even though it holds no weight...?

Propaganda to one person is fact to another, right? Do we know for a fact that everything a poster says is false? I may disagree with a poster's statement; however, I don't consider what they say to be junk. I can always do my own research.

Who likes or dislikes the color pink? Why?

[mimartin]

Originally Posted by Yar-El

Propaganda to one person is fact to another, right?

No.

Fact – 1. Something known to be true – something that can be shown to be true, to exist, or to have happened.

What is the point in debating facts? Most of what we debate and discuss in Kavar are not facts, they are opinions.

Originally Posted by Yar-El

Who likes or dislikes the color pink? Why?

Pink is ugly = opinion
Pink is pretty = opinion
Who cares about Pink = opinion
Pink is a color = fact

I believe if we each looked at our own personal views as opinion and not facts, things would go a lot smoother here. There is no reason for us to take offence every time someone questions our opinion. We should understand that our opinion is the most important opinion only to ourselves. Just because someone questions your opinion, your candidate or your source does not mean they are attacking you personally.

This is my personal opinion and in no way should be regarded as fact.

[EnderWiggin]

Originally Posted by Yar-El

Propaganda to one person is fact to another, right?

No. Absolutely not.

Where's Achilles when you need him?

_EW_

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

Where's Achilles when you need him?

Post 116

Also, I think the last part of mimartin's post doesn't need to be repeated by me (although I wouldn't have included that final sentence).

[KinchyB]

Originally Posted by Yar-El

Propaganda to one person is fact to another, right?

No, that's why it's called propaganda. A fact is refutable regardless of opinion. You can have an opinin on a fact, but propaganda is pure rubish with no actual evidence to back it up.

[Jeff]

[jonathan7]

Originally Posted by Achilles

Wrong. Logic is objective. That's why it's logic.

I fully acknowledge that some people are better at recognizing it than others, but that does not mean that the field itself is subjective.

I was more referring to political position etc, over certain other positions - apologies for the confusion.

[El Sitherino]

Originally Posted by Darth Moeller

Need a post sticky.

[Yar-El]

I must have been tired. Propaganda is a bad thing. Excuse my incompatence. I don't know what I was thinking.

Blushing from embaracement.

[El Sitherino]

Originally Posted by Yar-El

Blushing from embarackment.

So it begins.

[Yar-El]

Originally Posted by El Sitherino

So it begins.

Teaches me to think before posting.

[Qui-Gon Glenn]

Kavar's Corner is interesting because it allows people across the broad spectrum of Star Wars fans to share their thoughts on things other than Star Wars and video games. I was thrilled when I found it, and promptly got put in my place a few times for pomposity, pedantism, and general bullying without reason. Nothing ever made me happier than to have someone with an intelligent voice make me feel foolish for voicing half-baked ideas... it reminded me of grad Phil classes! Without the tuition!

I understand the difficulties of moderating a forum like Kavar's - it mostly has to do with the fact (fact has been sufficiently explained here recently, I think) that our forum base is very broad and diverse, in age, experience, and education - to start with, and obviously many other differences. Not everyone can create an iron-clad argument, with sound evidence and logical structure. Conversely, not everyone is prepared to take the heat from Achilles when they post something absurdly conceived.

I say tough. I love this part of the forum, because it is what it is. Although the poll is closed, that's my thought. I also appreciate that it is here, despite how difficult it is to moderate. A labor of love, that I guess wears a little thin from time to time - especially these days when opinions everywhere are running hot.