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Old 10-16-2008, 11:56 PM   #121
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I never said anything about acceptable/unacceptable viewpoints/sources. I said something about trolls.

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Old 10-17-2008, 12:00 AM   #122
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And why are they being labeled as trolls?


"They should rename the team to the Washington Government Sucks. Put Obama on the helmet. Line the entire walls of the stadium with the actual text of the ACA.
Fix their home team score on the board to the debt clock, they can win every game 17,000,000,000,000 to 24. Losing team gets taxed by the IRS 100%, then droned."
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Old 10-17-2008, 12:02 AM   #123
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Because they're trolls.

Definition of troll: clickie

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Old 10-17-2008, 12:09 AM   #124
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Yes, I know what a troll is.

Besides the tendency towards off-topicness, which I don't see as deliberate attempts at thread derailment, what else are they doing wrong?


"They should rename the team to the Washington Government Sucks. Put Obama on the helmet. Line the entire walls of the stadium with the actual text of the ACA.
Fix their home team score on the board to the debt clock, they can win every game 17,000,000,000,000 to 24. Losing team gets taxed by the IRS 100%, then droned."
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Old 10-17-2008, 12:11 AM   #125
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I already explained this several posts ago. You're free to read that one, or KinchyB's post. I think repeating myself would be a little spammy.

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Old 10-17-2008, 12:14 AM   #126
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Very well. I was just curious. And yes, you've certainly answered my question to my satisfaction. Thank you.


"They should rename the team to the Washington Government Sucks. Put Obama on the helmet. Line the entire walls of the stadium with the actual text of the ACA.
Fix their home team score on the board to the debt clock, they can win every game 17,000,000,000,000 to 24. Losing team gets taxed by the IRS 100%, then droned."
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Old 10-17-2008, 09:14 AM   #127
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Another thought... How about we ban people who cherry pick, ignore facts/sources, and are basically there to only spread their own propaganda even though it holds no weight...?
Propaganda to one person is fact to another, right? Do we know for a fact that everything a poster says is false? I may disagree with a poster's statement; however, I don't consider what they say to be junk. I can always do my own research.

Who likes or dislikes the color pink? Why?
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Old 10-17-2008, 12:25 PM   #128
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Propaganda to one person is fact to another, right?
No.
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Fact – 1. Something known to be true – something that can be shown to be true, to exist, or to have happened.
What is the point in debating facts? Most of what we debate and discuss in Kavar are not facts, they are opinions.
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Who likes or dislikes the color pink? Why?
Pink is ugly = opinion
Pink is pretty = opinion
Who cares about Pink = opinion
Pink is a color = fact

I believe if we each looked at our own personal views as opinion and not facts, things would go a lot smoother here. There is no reason for us to take offence every time someone questions our opinion. We should understand that our opinion is the most important opinion only to ourselves. Just because someone questions your opinion, your candidate or your source does not mean they are attacking you personally.

This is my personal opinion and in no way should be regarded as fact.
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Old 10-17-2008, 05:45 PM   #129
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Propaganda to one person is fact to another, right?
No. Absolutely not.

Where's Achilles when you need him?

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Old 10-17-2008, 06:15 PM   #130
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Where's Achilles when you need him?
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Also, I think the last part of mimartin's post doesn't need to be repeated by me (although I wouldn't have included that final sentence).
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Old 10-17-2008, 06:42 PM   #131
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Propaganda to one person is fact to another, right?
No, that's why it's called propaganda. A fact is refutable regardless of opinion. You can have an opinin on a fact, but propaganda is pure rubish with no actual evidence to back it up.


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Old 10-17-2008, 07:46 PM   #132
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Old 10-17-2008, 07:57 PM   #133
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Wrong. Logic is objective. That's why it's logic.

I fully acknowledge that some people are better at recognizing it than others, but that does not mean that the field itself is subjective.
I was more referring to political position etc, over certain other positions - apologies for the confusion.



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Old 10-17-2008, 07:58 PM   #134
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Old 10-17-2008, 09:17 PM   #135
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I must have been tired. Propaganda is a bad thing. Excuse my incompatence. I don't know what I was thinking.

Blushing from embaracement.

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Old 10-17-2008, 10:18 PM   #136
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Blushing from embarackment.

So it begins.


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Old 10-17-2008, 11:13 PM   #137
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So it begins.

Teaches me to think before posting.
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Old 10-19-2008, 01:07 AM   #138
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Kavar's Corner is interesting because it allows people across the broad spectrum of Star Wars fans to share their thoughts on things other than Star Wars and video games. I was thrilled when I found it, and promptly got put in my place a few times for pomposity, pedantism, and general bullying without reason. Nothing ever made me happier than to have someone with an intelligent voice make me feel foolish for voicing half-baked ideas... it reminded me of grad Phil classes! Without the tuition!

I understand the difficulties of moderating a forum like Kavar's - it mostly has to do with the fact (fact has been sufficiently explained here recently, I think) that our forum base is very broad and diverse, in age, experience, and education - to start with, and obviously many other differences. Not everyone can create an iron-clad argument, with sound evidence and logical structure. Conversely, not everyone is prepared to take the heat from Achilles when they post something absurdly conceived.

I say tough. I love this part of the forum, because it is what it is. Although the poll is closed, that's my thought. I also appreciate that it is here, despite how difficult it is to moderate. A labor of love, that I guess wears a little thin from time to time - especially these days when opinions everywhere are running hot.
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