Zeitgeist: Addendum

[Nedak]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...05277695921912

If you have time to watch it I would suggest doing so. Extremely interesting to say the least.

This is by the way the sequel to the first Zeitgeist film.


Also the offical website:

www.zeitgeistmovie.com

and

http://www.thevenusproject.com/

[Achilles]

Meh. While some of the content is worth enduring the movie to see, the production is very gimmicky.

[Nedak]

Originally Posted by Achilles

Meh. While some of the content is worth enduring the movie to see, the production is very gimmicky.

How so?

[Web Rider]

oiy, I had to put up with this thrice on the DeviantArt forums, can't believe it's here too.

[Nedak]

Explaining why you don't like these films, instead of making bold statements would be helpful.

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by han sala

How so?

The grainy intro for each section. Overly long speech clips with the unnecessary reverb/repeat thing. It's supposed to come off as ominous or important, but mostly it's just aggravating.

[Nedak]

Originally Posted by Achilles

The grainy intro for each section. Overly long speech clips with the unnecessary reverb/repeat thing. It's supposed to come off as ominous or important, but mostly it's just aggravating.

I don't mind the echo, but the graphics were annoying.

[tk102]

I found the messages in this movie enlightening in some places, thought-provoking in others, and resonant with a number of my own beliefs. Thanks han sala.

[Web Rider]

Originally Posted by han sala

Explaining why you don't like these films, instead of making bold statements would be helpful.

Because at best I find them to be bad propaganda films. They splice in dramatic music, ominous footage, and make parallels to things that aren't related just by showing them next to or interlaced with the other thing they're saying it's related to.

And I'd hardly claim that saying "oiy not again." is a bold statement.

It's really no different then the ultra-political spam where everything has a semi-transparent flag or statue of liberty or tank or warplane behind it. It doesn't even appeal to emotion very well IMO.

[tk102]

You're saying the movie is similar to propaganda, but you didn't actually come out and say that it is propaganda. That would suggest that the purveyors of the video are trying gain some sort of advantage from disinformation. Or is that what you actually meant?

Otherwise I'm just hearing critiques of the style, but not critiques of the message.

[Achilles]

I have no critiques of the message for the parts that I have seen. Unfortunately, I do find the style sufficiently distracting to keep me from seeing the whole thing, much to my chagrin. Perhaps someday I'll overcome my lack of dedication

[Nedak]

The movie is quite simple..

It shows how much of a lie money is and how it really is worth nothing. This is actually a widely accepted statement.

It also reveals some evil that our government has done to other countries and also gives a resolution to all of the problems stated.

[Arcesious]

I've seen bits and peices of the first movie before, it makes some good points, but I find the 'OMG government conspiracies' parts of it to be a bit overdone.

[Nedak]

Originally Posted by Arcesious

I've seen bits and peices of the first movie before, it makes some good points, but I find the 'OMG government conspiracies' parts of it to be a bit overdone.

The second part isn't as much like that. The conspiracies are so-so but the second one in my opinion is far better.

[Web Rider]

Originally Posted by tk102

You're saying the movie is similar to propaganda, but you didn't actually come out and say that it is propaganda. That would suggest that the purveyors of the video are trying gain some sort of advantage from disinformation. Or is that what you actually meant?

Otherwise I'm just hearing critiques of the style, but not critiques of the message.

Yes that's largely true. I don't disagree with most of their points, at least on what the problems are. Their solutions(of which are mostly out of mind at the moment), are from what I recall, somewhat dubious.

Originally Posted by han sala

The movie is quite simple..

It shows how much of a lie money is and how it really is worth nothing. This is actually a widely accepted statement.

To which I'd agree that Fiat money is a pretty bad idea. Yes, in theory money is always worth nothing, only the value we assign it based on the goods and or services we deem a specific amount of it is worth. Money as a concept as a replacement for a direct barter-trade, service for goods/goods for goods/service for service setup is pretty functional.

It also reveals some evil that our government has done to other countries and also gives a resolution to all of the problems stated.

Which 90% of the people watching the movie are already aware of. As for their solutions, anyone can provide solutions to just about anything. That doesn't make them the right, or even good solutions.

[Nedak]

Originally Posted by Web Rider

Yes that's largely true. I don't disagree with most of their points, at least on what the problems are. Their solutions(of which are mostly out of mind at the moment), are from what I recall, somewhat dubious.

The last Zeitgeist didn't offer many solutions except to say that we are all one, but the new one did. It's not perfect, but it seems to be a great start.

The venus project is in my post

To which I'd agree that Fiat money is a pretty bad idea. Yes, in theory money is always worth nothing, only the value we assign it based on the goods and or services we deem a specific amount of it is worth. Money as a concept as a replacement for a direct barter-trade, service for goods/goods for goods/service for service setup is pretty functional.

That's not all that they cover. Find some time to watch it.

Which 90% of the people watching the movie are already aware of. As for their solutions, anyone can provide solutions to just about anything. That doesn't make them the right, or even good solutions.

Not some of the evils they have exposed. This goes for the Drug War, assassinating leaders for our own profit, etc.

[ForeverNight]

Originally Posted by han sala

...assassinating leaders for our own profit...

As opposed to? Also, I don't know if you're aware of it, but under... I think it was the Ford Administration, an Executive Order was drafted and created that outlawed assassination by any agent of the United States Government.

So, assuming that they play by their own rules, it ain't happening in peace time. During war, however, everybody's fair game.

Originally Posted by han sala

Not some of the evils they have exposed.

Evil by who's definition? Theirs? I'm sorry, but according to me that statement you just made is evil.

See my point? Just because they arbitrarily say that something's evil, doesn't make it so. I guess I believe that sometimes the end justifies the means. But, oh well, that's a debate for another thread.

[tk102]

Regarding the first portion of the movie (ie. our monetary system), I'm sending a letter to FRONTLINE in the hopes that they'll cover it in an upcoming episode. This is the kind of topic that you won't find in mainstream media, but one that requires more public discussion and understanding.

If you'd like to also send a letter suggesting this as a story idea, here is their address:

Story Editor
FRONTLINE
One Guest Street
Boston, MA 02135



I see that it was primarily based upon Ellen Brown's book, Web of Debt. Probably a good resource to pick up next time I'm in the library or bookstore.

[Nedak]

Originally Posted by ForeverNight

As opposed to? Also, I don't know if you're aware of it, but under... I think it was the Ford Administration, an Executive Order was drafted and created that outlawed assassination by any agent of the United States Government.

So, assuming that they play by their own rules, it ain't happening in peace time. During war, however, everybody's fair game.

It was in time of peace..

Please just watch the movie before debating.

Evil by who's definition? Theirs? I'm sorry, but according to me that statement you just made is evil.

See my point? Just because they arbitrarily say that something's evil, doesn't make it so. I guess I believe that sometimes the end justifies the means. But, oh well, that's a debate for another thread.

They never said it was evil.. It was a word I used to describe the actions of the government.

This is pointless.

Do you debate about books as well before reading them?

[Rathoris]

even if half of what they claim in this movie is true it's rather obviously the current state of the world is far from the most desirable.
I pretty much agree with the solution they offer since this is what i have always believed in. The problem is how to implement it....
How do you 'beat' a system that isn't afraid to use violence to enforce it's will upon us. Maybe coming up with a peacefull solution is impossible. Then what? We have a massive global revolution?

[Batono]

Well my friends from the north i'm from Argentina and i just wanted to recomend you a pretty good documentary, WWW.ZEITGEISTMOVIE.COM it' has to parts,
the fisrt one is Zeitgeist movie, the second one Zeitgeist Adendum.
The movie is about all the lies that have been told to us and how to make the world a better place. I do realize that most of you will see me as another latin guy trying to afect you minds or something, but this picture was made by americans for americans, and i strongly believe that all of you ,friends from the north, should see it, and wake up; do something about all the lies that have been told to you.
To the ones that will take my recomendation and actually see this movies i say thanks. To the rest of you who probably think that i'm just not worth taking in consideration, i ask you to give this a try.If you don't like it you can insult me as hard as you want.
I really hope you see this
thanks.

Merged with existing thread -- j7

[jonathan7]

Originally Posted by Batono

Well my friends from the north i'm from Argentina and i just wanted to recomend you a pretty good documentary, WWW.ZEITGEISTMOVIE.COM it' has to parts,
the fisrt one is Zeitgeist movie, the second one Zeitgeist Adendum.
The movie is about all the lies that have been told to us and how to make the world a better place. I do realize that most of you will see me as another latin guy trying to afect you minds or something, but this picture was made by americans for americans, and i strongly believe that all of you ,friends from the north, should see it, and wake up; do something about all the lies that have been told to you.
To the ones that will take my recomendation and actually see this movies i say thanks. To the rest of you who probably think that i'm just not worth taking in consideration, i ask you to give this a try.If you don't like it you can insult me as hard as you want.
I really hope you see this
thanks.

You know what I really love is the number of assumptions on your part here...

a) You assume everyone is American
b) You assume people are all automatically unaware of what Zeitgeist says
c) You assume everything in Zeitgeist is true
d) You assume people haven't already seen the film
e) You assume people won't take on board what Zeitgeist says
f) You assume people are going to insult you...

Need I (a Brit) really go on? Please don't make assumptions, assumptions are usually wrong, and based on stereotypes - how familiar are you with the people of Lucas Forums? etc etc