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Old 12-02-2008, 07:41 PM   #81
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Rape of Nanking.
I was actually referring to the Japanese internment camps in the US. I suppose I didn't clarify enough. >_<
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Old 12-02-2008, 07:42 PM   #82
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I see, so an article written by a person that is insensitive about Nancy Reagan hurting herself and suddenly it's some kind of group liberal conspiracy of hate? Makes sense to me.
And when Rush calls J Fox out for apparently "faking" the symptoms of a fatal condition, its just his misunderstood opinion that by no means represents the conservative party.

Great how fervent partisanship works, huh?
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Old 12-03-2008, 10:19 AM   #83
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I see, so an article written by a person that is insensitive about Nancy Reagan hurting herself and suddenly it's some kind of group liberal conspiracy of hate? Makes sense to me.
It was beyond insensitive it was cheering about the fact she got hurt and disappointed she didn't get hurt worse. Quit trying to downplay it.


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And when Rush calls J Fox out for apparently "faking" the symptoms of a fatal condition, its just his misunderstood opinion that by no means represents the conservative party.

Great how fervent partisanship works, huh?
That song and dance may work on some people, but not on me because my grandfather had Parkinsons disease, and it wasn't what killed him. Seriously, Parkinsons takes time to progress quite frankly due to J. Fox's age Rush may have been right about about the guy not taking his meds at the time.

Fact is, that someone like Michael J. Fox could get enough care that Parkinsons probably won't be what kills him. It doesn't mess with vital organs, it messes with voluntary muscle movements, he may need a nurse or caretakers looking after him.

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I was actually referring to the Japanese internment camps in the US. I suppose I didn't clarify enough. >_<
Last I checked, those internment camps weren't slave labor camps, nor were they death camps and those people were released after the war. It isn't even remotely equivalent to what the Japanese did nor is it remotely equivalent to what the Germans or Russians did during World War II. While the detainment of Japanese Americans was wrong, and I'm not going to argue that point, you cannot even remotely compare the US to the attrocities committed by the Axis powers nor the attrocities that the Soviet Union committed.

I'm sure any Concentration Camp survivor would be extremely offended by your comments.

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Old 12-03-2008, 10:44 AM   #84
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Last I checked, those internment camps weren't slave labor camps, nor were they death camps and those people were released after the war. It isn't even remotely equivalent to what the Japanese did nor is it remotely equivalent to what the Germans or Russians did during World War II. While the detainment of Japanese Americans was wrong, and I'm not going to argue that point, you cannot even remotely compare the US to the attrocities committed by the Axis powers nor the attrocities that the Soviet Union committed.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but you are essentially saying that it's okay because others did worse?


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Old 12-03-2008, 10:49 AM   #85
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Please correct me if I'm wrong, but you are essentially saying that it's okay because others did worse?
That isn't what I'm saying at all, I'm not saying it was okay, however I'm getting sick of the blatent attempts to paint the United States as the cause of all problems in the world.

However, making it equivalent to what the Axis Powers did is demonizing this country and making it sound like what the Germans did during WW II wasn't that bad is beyond the pale.
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Old 12-03-2008, 11:01 AM   #86
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However, making it equivalent to what the Axis Powers did is demonizing this country and making it sound like what the Germans did during WW II wasn't that bad is beyond the pale.
And where has anybody actually said that?






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Old 12-03-2008, 12:34 PM   #87
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I'm not sure anyone has said anything that drastic as of yet. The internment camps were indeed very shameful of the government to do, but it seemed to be the only choice at the time to contain the threat of spies. The people were not treated correctly, however, therefore ending with a project with bad intentions. The internment camps were indeed cruel, but no where near as cruel as places like Dachau or Aushwitz, or any other death camp of the Axis powers.


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Old 12-03-2008, 12:51 PM   #88
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The internment camps were indeed very shameful of the government to do, but it seemed to be the only choice at the time to contain the threat of spies.
Really? Where were the Internment Camps for German Americans?


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Old 12-03-2008, 12:57 PM   #89
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Actually, they had those I think, though the base of the internment camps were for Japanese Americans, which increased the problem by focusing more on them then any other ethnic group. It was bad, yes, a mistake on FDR's choice there.


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That isn't what I'm saying at all, I'm not saying it was okay, however I'm getting sick of the blatent attempts to paint the United States as the cause of all problems in the world.
Sort of ironic coming from someone who has, for the past month, tried to paint the "left-wing wackos", "liberal socialists", and "mainstream liberal media" as a problem that will undermine the stability of the United states government and turn us into Russia or WW2 Germany.

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That song and dance may work on some people, but not on me because my grandfather had Parkinsons disease, and it wasn't what killed him. Seriously, Parkinsons takes time to progress quite frankly due to J. Fox's age Rush may have been right about about the guy not taking his meds at the time.

Fact is, that someone like Michael J. Fox could get enough care that Parkinsons probably won't be what kills him. It doesn't mess with vital organs, it messes with voluntary muscle movements, he may need a nurse or caretakers looking after him.
That is not the point. Maybe he did forget his meds, but I'd think someone from a background in that type of disease would understand how utterly tasteless it is to say "Oh, that guy is either making up his illness or faking symptoms to get attention."

It might be J Fox, but what if someone went up to your grandfather and pointed out to you that he's probably faking his illness, or jerking voluntarily to get attention? You'd probably punch him in the face, even if it was the first time the guy had ever seen your grandfather.

Maybe your grandfather -had- forgot his meds that particular day. Maybe he was having an genuine attack. Regardless, its tasteless to point out that kind of stuff even if you are ignorant of the details.

It would be like seeing a bald, pale woman on the street and saying "She's probably putting on a cancer act because she wants attention." Does she have cancer? Maybe. If so, then that was an entirely tasteless thing to say, especially if said in a way that she can hear you. What if she didn't have cancer? Then you just decided to be blatantly ignorant of details and make an accusation that insults anyone with the actual sickness.

Is that as bad as cheering when someone breaks their hip? I'm going to say no, but its close. At least for Rush. Savage, on the other hand, is a conservative talk show host who has told a gay man with Aids to die on national television, claimed that mental retardation is a show, and has told students protesting on a hunger strike to, quote, "starve to death".

Tasteless? Yes. As bad as cheering at a woman getting hurt? Yes.

Does Savage represent the entire conservative party? No. Does he represent what I think of you? No. He's a guy who has a voice and has decided to use it.

So, I'd appreciate if you would drop the name calling just because a few people with a voice decided to speak their minds. Those "left-wing wackos" do not represent the liberal party any more than Savage represents the conservative party.

If you must speak down on them, then just the person in general. But don't clump them up into labels like "left" and "right" wing to make it easier to throw the mud. Many people have different beliefs and opinions, even if they are in a so called "party", and deciding an entire group in general is whats wrong in the world is just a shot to the foot of your credibility, and the credibility of your arguments.

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Old 12-03-2008, 05:23 PM   #91
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It was beyond insensitive it was cheering about the fact she got hurt and disappointed she didn't get hurt worse. Quit trying to downplay it.
I was not attempting to downplay anything, but since you seemed to miss the point, I will rephrase.

So an article written by a person that is unbelievably terrible and quite possibly the most horrific thing ever written by mortals about Nancy Reagan hurting herself and suddenly it's some kind of group liberal conspiracy of hate?

The emphasis is on the point that I'm really trying to make here.



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Old 12-03-2008, 10:19 PM   #92
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So an article written by a person that is unbelievably terrible and quite possibly the most horrific thing ever written by mortals about Nancy Reagan hurting herself and suddenly it's some kind of group liberal conspiracy of hate?
It was a "respected" Left Wing site that only took it down after Bill O'Reilly utterly humiliated them on National Television by bringing it to the attention of the general public.

I'm not saying all liberals are like that, some would be generally appalled, but it seems that the ones actually running the Democrat Party are heavily tied to the mental cases on the left.

I have no problem with differences in opinion, but there is a level of hate seen from the "respected" members of the left that you'd never see from the "respected" people on the right. Least not without the media going crazy.
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It was a "respected" Left Wing site that only took it down after Bill O'Reilly utterly humiliated them on National Television by bringing it to the attention of the general public.
Define respected in this context.

So far you've given us one new website. While I agree that what they said was completely tasteless, I've yet to see how it links to some liberal hive mind of hate.

If you'd like, I could grab some particularly tasteless things Savage and Bill'o have said, unless they aren't considered "respected" members of the conservative party. If they are not, then I'll try not to bring them up again in this context.
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Define respected in this context.

So far you've given us one new website. While I agree that what they said was completely tasteless, I've yet to see how it links to some liberal hive mind of hate.

If you'd like, I could grab some particularly tasteless things Savage and Bill'o have said, unless they aren't considered "respected" members of the conservative party. If they are not, then I'll try not to bring them up again in this context.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huffington_Post

I really have to go but this is what wikipedia has to say on them.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huffington_Post

I really have to go but this is what wikipedia has to say on them.
Wow, that was actually pretty helpful. From the wiki page:

"Negative comments about the then-86-year-old former first lady were posted in the public comment section of the website by members of the public."

So the negativity had nothing to do with any of the actual editors of the blog, but were asinine comments from random *******s, and THAT is the proof that the liberal party is a bunch of hate mongers. Your credibility in this particular argument is approaching zero unless you can prove that conservative blogs never have extremely hateful comments (you can't, because I've read them before).



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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huffington_Post

I really have to go but this is what wikipedia has to say on them.
From the citations in case you didn't bother to even READ the source you posted:

http://www.billoreilly.com/newslettercolumn?pid=22771
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2008/02...huffingto.html

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As for Nancy Reagan, it was a far different story. On the crazy left Huffington Post, the following hateful comments were posted about the former first lady:

* "Like her evil husband, she has lived far too long. Here's hoping the hag suffers for several weeks, then croaks in the tub."
* "The old bat will probably steal everything in the hospital room."
* "I feel no pity for the b---- who took delight in watching thousands die of a horrible disease and watching the poor having to eat out of dumpsters because of her husband's political beliefs."

There are dozens of other vile comments available for your reading pleasure on the Huffington Post. Apparently, Arianna Huffington, the woman who runs the site, has no problem with publishing hate speech. Ms. Huffington has the power to remove this trash immediately, but she chooses not to.
They were COMMENTS on the website. And here you had me going that this was published! Wow, I gave you the benefit of the doubt but here you go losing all the trust I had in you.


Here is a story for you Garfield.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BRmU9g1S9Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CowWS...eature=related
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0...w_n_87616.html
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/mediac...reports_frost/
http://www.236.com/tag/Michelle+Obam...Lynching+Party
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critici...rty.22_comment

Bill O'Reilly talks of LYNCHING Michelle Obama.

Was this comments posted on his page? No. It is directly from his mouth.

How about Savage?

He was fired from MSNBC for telling a gay man he should die of AIDS on national television.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...st-fired_x.htm

He called Autism an "Act" and Autistic kids "brats"
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...,7335653.story

He told an Islamic caller “take your religion and shove it up your behind” because “I’m sick of you.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/17/ar...syahoo&emc=rss

Said that college students on a hunger strike for immigration laws should "starve to death"
http://mediamatters.org/items/200707060009

Oh, here is something you'll find fascinating!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BRmU9g1S9Y

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-N*****s should be lynched anyways.
-keep the white house white f*** you obama and the b**** michelle n***** obama
-good going Bill to hell with that n*****
That video has racist comments under it. So, I propose we ask YouTube to shut down for being a white supremacy website that is for the lynching of african americans.

Right?

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Your credibility and the credibility of anything you post from now on is Zero unless you can prove to me that there are no tasteless remarks about "liberals", "leftists", "socialists", etc on any conservative site anywhere.

Thank you for debunking your own argument, and good day sir.

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Uh I'm getting nothing but broken links from your sources, and for the record I've seen O'Reilly go after the far right, but they aren't respected at all (at least Republicans don't want anything to do with them).

However, the far-left is part of the backbone of the Democrat party and the Presidential Candidates for the Dems, associated with them directly.

If McCain had associated himself with nutcases calling for the death of Barack's wife, the press would have had a field day. However, Obama associated with Huffington Post and the press was completely silent.

Furthermore I really don't care where the comments were nor do I care who posted those comments on Huffington Post, the staff there knew about them and refused to remove those comments until Bill O'Reilly blasted them for it.
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Old 12-04-2008, 03:24 PM   #98
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If McCain had associated himself with nutcases calling for the death of Barack's wife
You mean the people at his rallies? Oh wait, they only specifically said they wanted Obama dead not his wife iirc.



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You mean the people at his rallies? Oh wait, they only specifically said they wanted Obama dead not his wife iirc.
That would be a good point, if it were true. That story was debunked by the United States Secret Service. (If it were true there would have been people arrested at the event).

Another interesting tidbit was that members of the press were giving press passes to "Code Pink" at the Republican National Convention to sneak them in.
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... so you'll deny just about anything, no matter how true it is, won't you Garfield?

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... so you'll deny just about anything, no matter how true it is, won't you Garfield?
Actually it wasn't true, they all reported on it, but it turned out to be bogus. I'll check to see if we're talking about two different incidents.
I'm going to say this right now, if Democracy Now and Keith Oberman are your star witnesses, then your case is in trouble.

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Okay something from Fox News now we have something to work with but you are misrepresenting a few of the facts, the woman making those comments was a Democrat and a Hillary supporter. Furthermore Fox News tends to be LIVE, and therefore it wasn't something that could be editted out on a tape.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLCCoD87l5E&NR=1

Also here is another article of interest: Newsbusters
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Old 12-04-2008, 04:11 PM   #102
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I'm going to say this right now, if Democracy Now and Keith Oberman are your star witnesses, then your case is in trouble.
Then find it on Fox News and watch it, then you'll accept it as the truth, won't you?
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Then that agent obviously sucks. It's caught on record that someone shouted out "Kill Him", so please don't go where I think you're going, that MSNBC edited the tape.
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Then find it on Fox News and watch it, then you'll accept it as the truth, won't you?
Of course. Fox is the beacon of truth in an otherwise corrupt and biased mainstream media. Right? RIGHT????
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Then find it on Fox News and watch it, then you'll accept it as the truth, won't you?
Well Fox News had that story, but they retracted it after the Secret Service pointed out that it wasn't what happened.

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Then that agent obviously sucks. It's caught on record that someone shouted out "Kill Him", so please don't go where I think you're going, that MSNBC edited the tape.
Wouldn't go quite that far, but an interesting sidenote is that MSNBC was the one to hand out Press passes to "Code Pink".

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Of course. Fox is the beacon of truth in an otherwise corrupt and biased mainstream media. Right? RIGHT????
Keith Oberman is a well known partisan hack that ended up getting in trouble for apologizing to viewers that Republicans had a memorial to 9/11 victims during their convention. MSNBC had him be the anchor for the Republican Convention, they have absolutely no credibility.
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Well Fox News had that story, but they retracted it after the Secret Service pointed out that it wasn't what happened.
Then can you please explain why we all heard "Kill him!" on that tape? Was it a coincidental compression artifact that just happened to sound like the words "kill" and "him" during a Republican rally?
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Wouldn't go quite that far, but an interesting sidenote is that MSNBC was the one to hand out Press passes to "Code Pink".
That has absolutely nothing to do with the current subject.
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Actually, it was more akin to "Kill them both", referring to both Democratic candidates.
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Then can you please explain why we all heard "Kill him!" on that tape? Was it a coincidental compression artifact that just happened to sound like the words "kill" and "him" during a Republican rally?
There are several possibilities, however you're ignoring two key facts.

1. The Secret Service dismissed it saying that wasn't what happened, and I'll believe the Secret Service over MSNBC.

2. We're potentially looking at someone in a crowd even if it was true, someone in a crowd isn't the same thing as a group receiving stuff from the Democrat Presidential candidates, and considered respected by the Democrats.

The "Code Pink" stuff has relevance because one of the sources given was from MSNBC, and considering the fact MSNBC tried to actively sabotage the Republican Convention, it doesn't look like they are a trustworthy source.

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Actually, it was more akin to "Kill them both", referring to both Democratic candidates.
Again the Secret Service dismissed it, and considering they take threats to candidates extremely seriously I'm going to take the Secret Service's side.

Furthermore, Huffington Post letting people take shots at Nancy Reagan (and they were courted by the Democrat Presidential Candidates) is not equivalent to some bozo allegedly yelling something in a crowd.

So here we have the comparison between groups that the Democrats knowingly associate with and we're comparing it to what some person in a crowd allegedy shouted while they happened to be at a rally for the Republican Presidential Candidate or VP Candidate. What's next, accusations of Racism because Republicans dared to criticize the "annointed one?"

You would have an equivalent if the Republicans were courting groups that call for the torching of abortion clinics or something like that, but the Republicans don't court those groups (and the mainstream media would pounce all over the Republicans if they did).
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Ah, so it's ok for Republican supporters to threaten Democrat candidates, but if a number of Democrat supporters post on a blog mocking a Republican former First Lady, it's a crime against the party, and something that can be used in a debate. I get it.

You're right about one thing, though: the two cannot be compared.

And you simply cannot deny that there were Republicans shouting death threats at McCain's concession speech because I watched the damned thing live, and I heard it with my own ears. If you're willing to take the Secret Service's word over that of your own senses, simply so you can justify your arguments in your own mind, that's your business. But no one else buys it. You're just plain wrong on this one. It's just that easy.
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Ah, so it's ok for Republican supporters to threaten Democrat candidates, but if a number of Democrat supporters post on a blog mocking a Republican former First Lady, it's a crime against the party, and something that can be used in a debate. I get it.
Uh, if there was a Democrat supporter calling for McCain to have been assassinated at a rally Obama was at and Obama didn't here the guy in a crowd, I wouldn't blame the Democrat Party, it's just some nut that needs to be arrested.

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You're right about one thing, though: the two cannot be compared.
Was that sarcasm, or are you agreeing with me?

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And you simply cannot deny that there were Republicans shouting death threats at McCain's concession speech because I watched the damned thing live, and I heard it with my own ears. If you're willing to take the Secret Service's word over that of your own senses, simply so you can justify your arguments in your own mind, that's your business. But no one else buys it. You're just plain wrong on this one. It's just that easy.
Were you actually attending the event though, remember we just saw it on TV. I'm not calling you a liar, but I am saying the secret service had trained individuals go over the tapes (training neither of us have) and determined there wasn't a death threat or anything remotely of the sort.
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Were you actually attending the event though, remember we just saw it on TV. I'm not calling you a liar, but I am saying the secret service had trained individuals go over the tapes (training neither of us have) and determined there wasn't a death threat or anything remotely of the sort.
actually i have a doctorate in not being deaf and a masters in staring at a tv without sticking things in my ears.



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Uh, if there was a Democrat supporter calling for McCain to have been assassinated at a rally Obama was at and Obama didn't here the guy in a crowd, I wouldn't blame the Democrat Party, it's just some nut that needs to be arrested.
Oh, but when people laugh at an old lady for falling down the stairs, the Democrats are behind it. That's not an ignorant double standard at all.

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Was that sarcasm, or are you agreeing with me?
Best. Question. Ever.

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Were you actually attending the event though, remember we just saw it on TV. I'm not calling you a liar, but I am saying the secret service had trained individuals go over the tapes (training neither of us have) and determined there wasn't a death threat or anything remotely of the sort.
Nothing I could say to this can top what jmac has just said. I refer you to him for a reply to this one.
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Oh, but when people laugh at an old lady for falling down the stairs, the Democrats are behind it. That's not an ignorant double standard at all.
No when it is people bashing her, cheering about the fact she got hurt, etc., and when it was reported at that site (which the Democrat Party considers respectible), they refused to take it down. That makes it partially the direct responsibility of the Huffington Post.

In the case you're talking about we have the Secret Service saying that the story is bogus. Republicans saying that if the story is true (which there is some debate as to whether or not its true) then the comments were out of line. We're not talking about some group that McCain supported, we're talking about at most a single individual, and do you know how hard it is to hear a single individual in a sea of a few hundred or a few thousand? Especially when that crowd is all saying something.


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Actually, it's more of I'm not always good at realizing when someone is being sarcastic, and my response would vary depending one whether or not it was.

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Nothing I could say to this can top what jmac has just said. I refer you to him for a reply to this one.
I have eyes, and ears too, but there are at least two problems with your microphone argument:
  1. Don't indicate which direction the sound came from.
  2. They don't always accurately pick up what was said, especially in a crowd.

In fairness, the 2nd one isn't that common, but believe me with McCain's luck concerning microphones, and I did actually attend one of his rallies, it would be completely plausible. He had two microphones give out at that rally, which he cracked a joke about the microphones being courtesy of the Democrats.

The Secret Service investigated this, they have training, experience, etc. that you do not have. Any threat, towards a Presidential Candidate is taken extremely seriously by them, if they say there was nothing there, odds are there was nothing there.
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No when it is people bashing her, cheering about the fact she got hurt, etc., and when it was reported at that site (which the Democrat Party considers respectible), they refused to take it down. That makes it partially the direct responsibility of the Huffington Post.
actually she took down the comments about nancy reagan as soon as they were reported.



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Nothing I could say to this can top what jmac has just said. I refer you to him for a reply to this one.
Well you could say, that the Secret Service are trained to determine if what someone says is a viable death threat or just some racist making an *** of themselves. I believe the Secret Service made the right decision about the remarks.

But you’re correct jmac said it best.


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actually she took down the comments about nancy reagan as soon as they were reported.
No she didn't because Bill O'Reilly had a field day with the story and then it was taken down. It had already been reported, it wasn't taken down till after Mr. O'Reilly called them on it.
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No she didn't because Bill O'Reilly had a field day with the story and then it was taken down. It had already been reported, it wasn't taken down till after Mr. O'Reilly called them on it.
hey, you take everything you read in the blogs you link to at face value, so i think i'm allowed at least one lapse in judgment when it comes to believing ariana huffington when she said it was removed as soon as it was reported.



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I'll post this again considering you decided to ignore it.

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-keep the white house white f*** you obama and the b**** michelle n***** obama
-good going Bill to hell with that n*****
That video has racist comments under it. So, I propose we ask YouTube to shut down for being a white supremacy website that is for the lynching of african americans.

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Your credibility and the credibility of anything you post from now on is Zero unless you can prove to me that there are no tasteless remarks about "liberals", "leftists", "socialists", etc on any conservative site anywhere.

Ugh, why am I feeding a troll.
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Well, trolls are not meant to be fed, problem solved, but from what I've been reading here...the situation involving the "liberals" the "leftists" and the "socialists," is not heading in the best direction in Garfield's case. Everything is very much biased, therefore the extreme racist remarks on the videos and the numerous field days that the liberal media has had. Don't you think? There is a point-of-view to be seen with every word posted here or every video viewed.

Also, is youtube designed to shut down videos like the rascist one? Cuz' they should shut down alot of things from what I've seen...


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No when it is people bashing her, cheering about the fact she got hurt, etc., and when it was reported at that site (which the Democrat Party considers respectible), they refused to take it down. That makes it partially the direct responsibility of the Huffington Post.
No, it's still the responsibility of the person who posted it, and I'm sure Huffington has a waiver about that. Unless you're going to tell me that we're now absolving people of personal responsibility.
Has it occurred to you that it wasn't a refusal to take it down, but rather they just hadn't read the blog comments at that point? I don't read my blog comments every day, and I'm sure Huffington is busy with other things. Once O'Reilly pointed it out, the comments got deleted. Sure, they should have come down before that, but assuming it's intentional on her part rather than oversight is unfair.

Were the comments tasteless? Yes. Were the comments about Michael J. Fox tasteless? Yes. No one should have been laughing at Reagan's injury--that was just beyond the pale, and utterly heartless. However, I have plenty of very liberal friends and relatives who were just as appalled by those comments as my conservative friends/relatives. Extrapolating all Reagan-hate comments to all liberals is incorrect. With that kind of logic, all conservatives would be accused of being loony homophobes because the Westboro baptist people happen to vote Republican.

Likewise, no one should have been accusing Fox of intentionally withholding his meds so his disease looked worse, and that was just beyond tacky. Many of my patients with neuro problems have good days and bad days when the disease is better or worse and it's entirely unpredictable. He could have done everything absolutely correctly with his meds and still had a bad day.

I don't even want to dignify Savage's outrageous statements with an answer otherwise to say that he's not a conservative, he's a hate-monger who tries to use the conservative tenets to advance his vitriol and verbal poison.


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No, it's still the responsibility of the person who posted it, and I'm sure Huffington has a waiver about that. Unless you're going to tell me that we're now absolving people of personal responsibility.
I'm not absolving that individual of being responsible for their actions, but I'm also not going to absolve Huffington Post of chosing to support such behavior.

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Has it occurred to you that it wasn't a refusal to take it down, but rather they just hadn't read the blog comments at that point? I don't read my blog comments every day, and I'm sure Huffington is busy with other things. Once O'Reilly pointed it out, the comments got deleted. Sure, they should have come down before that, but assuming it's intentional on her part rather than oversight is unfair.
If this was the only incident then you would have a point, but Bill O'Reilly had a whole list of these incidents, including one where someone was bashing Tony Snow whom had just died of cancer and celebrating the fact the man was dead.

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Were the comments tasteless? Yes. Were the comments about Michael J. Fox tasteless? Yes. No one should have been laughing at Reagan's injury--that was just beyond the pale, and utterly heartless.
I'm not sure where Rush was coming from on his Michael J. Fox remarks, I do know there have been instances where Rush has been taken out of context or misquoted. If that's not the case I hope Rush appologized, I understand where they could have been made over stem-cell research which is an extremely touchy subject where people can easily take offense one way or the other, but I don't condone what was said if he actually said that.

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However, I have plenty of very liberal friends and relatives who were just as appalled by those comments as my conservative friends/relatives. Extrapolating all Reagan-hate comments to all liberals is incorrect.
I'm saying far-left liberals that happen to be respected within the Democrat Party Leadership. I'm not referring to all liberals, I know there were quite a few liberals that were outraged, I'm not talking about them, I'm talking about the far-left nuts which I imagine you and your friends are not.

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With that kind of logic, all conservatives would be accused of being loony homophobes because the Westboro baptist people happen to vote Republican.
I'll have to look up who they are, but the term homophobe has been thrown around way too much lately. Especially to criticize people that are against gay marriage, seriously they can come up with a new legal term that gives gay people the ability to form civil unions with the same rights as a married couple and just don't call it marriage.

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Likewise, no one should have been accusing Fox of intentionally withholding his meds so his disease looked worse, and that was just beyond tacky. Many of my patients with neuro problems have good days and bad days when the disease is better or worse and it's entirely unpredictable. He could have done everything absolutely correctly with his meds and still had a bad day.
You raise a valid point in that regard.

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I don't even want to dignify Savage's outrageous statements with an answer otherwise to say that he's not a conservative, he's a hate-monger who tries to use the conservative tenets to advance his vitriol and verbal poison.
Agreed, Savage is nuts, crazy, three-fries short of a happymeal, certifiably wacko.

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That video has racist comments under it. So, I propose we ask YouTube to shut down for being a white supremacy website that is for the lynching of african americans.
Uh huh, and MSNBC is a valid source especially when it comes to Bill O'Reilly? Their hatred of Bill O'Reilly is well known.

Bill was referring to the rush to condemn Michelle Obama and that he wasn't going to join in on it without actually seeing some evidence. That is hardly being racist. The comments below the video should be reported and I imagine Youtube will do something about it.
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