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Old 10-14-2008, 09:49 AM   #401
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Except they can charge people rediculous prices for it of course [/cynic mode]
DX11, advanced media functionality, .net functionality and all these associated SDKs cost money to create and support The most widely deployed Linux solutions in the corporate world(eg. RedHat/Novell etc) cost money too

MS has also been doing alot of R&D into alternative input and display tech. That costs too!

@Lynky ... how wonderfully off topic of you. No one has said anything to me about my sig. I suggest you save such queries for a PM. If you see it as something that has to be acted upon, report it.

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Old 10-14-2008, 09:58 AM   #402
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What are you talking about? I'm interested in Windows 7 and the future of Windows in general since I'm a user. I'm not going to be using Windows XP forever and this thread happens to point to information that might be useful.

And no, my Wiimote isn't busted, I've just been playing my PS3 lately

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Old 10-14-2008, 10:08 AM   #403
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... I've just been playing my PS3 lately
OK. That's it. Who are you and what have you done with the REAL Lynk.

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Well, it seems like the Windows 7 name speculation is over. Someone at the Vista Team Blog has just announced that Windows 7 will stay Windows 7

Strata/or cloud will more likely be a server related product.

Of course, I am already dreading the Apple fanboys calling this a rip-off of the Apple OS naming style

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Old 10-14-2008, 10:56 AM   #404
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1 - Windows 3.11
2 - Windows '95
3 - Windows '98
4 - Windows '98SE
5 - Windows ME
6 - Windows 2000
7 - Windows 2003
8 - Windows XP
9 - Windows Vista
10 - Windows 7

We are also missing the NT line up somewhere. How did he get only seven?
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Old 10-14-2008, 12:30 PM   #405
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1 - Windows 3.11
2 - Windows '95
3 - Windows '98
4 - Windows '98SE
5 - Windows ME
6 - Windows 2000
7 - Windows 2003
8 - Windows XP
9 - Windows Vista
10 - Windows 7

We are also missing the NT line up somewhere. How did he get only seven?
Vista uses the NT 6.0 kernel.



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Old 10-14-2008, 12:46 PM   #406
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1 - Windows 3.11
2 - Windows '95
3 - Windows '98
4 - Windows '98SE
5 - Windows ME
6 - Windows 2000
7 - Windows 2003
8 - Windows XP
9 - Windows Vista
10 - Windows 7

We are also missing the NT line up somewhere. How did he get only seven?
and why does this list start at 3.1 ??

MS have called it W7 for the reason I stated above. It is now even the official name of this OS. Also as mentioned above, if anyone wanted to be pedantic, there are 27+ versions of windows(2 of these as yet unreleased) To be extra finnicky, missing from that list is Windows CE, and the different iterations of XP, server 2003 and Vista, which would take the list closer to 40.

Heres a pretty list, courtesy of wiki



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Old 10-14-2008, 01:13 PM   #407
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Of course, I am already dreading the Apple fanboys calling this a rip-off of the Apple OS naming style
ahem.. *clears throat*

Windows 7?!
This is nuthin' but a frikkin' rip-off of Apple's OS naming style!?!
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Old 10-14-2008, 02:28 PM   #408
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Astrotoy7,

I was replying to this line in the article -
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Simply put, this is the seventh release of Windows, so therefore "Windows 7" just makes sense.
I wasn't trying to be all knowing. I was just stating a fact of it not being the seventh release of Windows.

Why are people so sensitive in these forums?

---- Edit Added----

Nevermind, I just reread my post. I asked a question, but I already had the answer.
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All this commotion over the name when it simply is just a naming common but unusual naming convention. It doesn't really mean anything specific, I'm sure Microsoft has its own reasons for naming it 7 but most likely, it's just because it sounds cool.

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Old 10-15-2008, 12:55 AM   #410
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for Pete's sake, all this commotion over whether this is the 7th version of Windows when i was referring to the "Strata" name.....

and for the sake of everyone's sanity: who really cares if its the 7th version of Windows or not?? in the long run, its not going to affect anything in our little world of tech geeks.

back to tech news, Tom's Hardware has posted a pretty complete breakdown of Intel's Nehalem design. they've taken some pages from AMD, and it looks like it'll pay some nice dividends in terms of memory performance. article here.


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Old 10-15-2008, 03:38 AM   #411
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Astrotoy7,

I was replying to this line in the article -
I wasn't trying to be all knowing. I was just stating a fact of it not being the seventh release of Windows.

Why are people so sensitive in these forums?

---- Edit Added----

Nevermind, I just reread my post. I asked a question, but I already had the answer.
lolz.. sensitive! I just like to lay out the full facts

MS seem to think its No7. Theyre payin for people to make it. 7 it shall be !!

@chainz... lol... yes, it is a total rip-off, because Apple did invent numbers of course, didnt they?!

Myself, Blakes7, Brad Pitt(from the movie Se7en), and The 7 Wonders of the Ancient World are considering filing a class action lawsuit against MS over their use of the numeral "7"

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re-Nehalem, Good ole Intel. Must be taking shortcuts on the R&D side. The AMD fanboy in me giggled profusely when it was reported that the new uberchip can be literally destroyed by using performance RAM that operates at >1.65 volts. Now considering the types that use performance RAM are types that want to buy the latest and greatest CPUs, this isnt really a clever move.



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Old 10-21-2008, 03:47 AM   #412
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hehe... here's one that reminded me of our beloved admin, Mr Crazy Glasses tk102....

Japanese tech nerds develop energy saving shoe



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Old 10-28-2008, 11:24 AM   #413
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Microsoft's in bed with Intel I tell you!!!

Core i7 and now Windows 7...Apple should definitely sue!!!




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Old 10-28-2008, 01:11 PM   #414
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Microsoft's in bed with Intel I tell you!!!

Core i7 and now Windows 7...Apple should definitely sue!!!

they're too busy being douchebags and suing anyone who doesn't just roll over and take it from fairplay



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Old 10-28-2008, 04:30 PM   #415
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Old 10-28-2008, 05:05 PM   #416
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i like os x but i hate the way they parade around as this free spirited, underdog company fighting against the evil corporation and then place draconian eulas on their products, overcharge for hardware, and do things like send c&ds to people who make calls to their fairplay library.



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Old 10-28-2008, 10:48 PM   #417
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has the penny finally dropped jmac? what a week of revelations this has been

btw, who's that cute girl on your blog page ?

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Hardware company with the geekiest name ever, Gigabyte, have released their variant of the Core 216, called the GTX 260 OC

longstory short = on par with the GTX 280 and 4870 1024 for HD settings Anything up to 1600x1200 maintains great FPS even on the newest games on high settings

full review HERE

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Old 10-28-2008, 11:02 PM   #418
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hehe... here's one that reminded me of our beloved admin, Mr Crazy Glasses tk102....

Japanese tech nerds develop energy saving shoe



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Whoa, while I was out running today, I was thinking of how it was too bad I couldn't turn some of my running energy into electricity. I was thinking of something like a flywheel attached to a magnetic coil and a battery but I couldn't figure out where it could be worn.

That's kind of cool as a proof-of-concept though, you gotta admit.


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has the penny finally dropped jmac? what a week of revelations this has been

btw, who's that cute girl on your blog page ?



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Old 10-29-2008, 03:54 AM   #420
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That's kind of cool as a proof-of-concept though, you gotta admit.
this coolness is thoroughly negated by the severe un-coolness of pairing some decent pinstripe slacks with stuff from radioshack stuck onto a pair of sandals

@jmac : cmon, is that you or not? Your net aura is so unladylike, the thought that you are indeed a girl is disturbing. Even the butchest of baltic weightlifting women have pink kittens as avatars when they get online

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Old 10-29-2008, 07:15 PM   #421
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Whoa, while I was out running today, I was thinking of how it was too bad I couldn't turn some of my running energy into electricity. I was thinking of something like a flywheel attached to a magnetic coil and a battery but I couldn't figure out where it could be worn.
Nooooo! I was already imagining some kind of iPod gadget with wires attached to your foot while jogging...add a Balaclava to that and you'll definitely need a lawyer to save you (if you're still alive!)
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Old 11-02-2008, 05:22 AM   #422
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OK. Time for some Astro equivalent of crack = screen pwnage

Samsung Unveils worlds largest OLED. 40" 1920 x 1080p
WANT!


Samsung again, with UFD PDP.... 63 inches display 4,096 x 2,160 pixels I'd be happy to make do with one until Super Hi Vision(SHV) hits us in 5-7 years in glorious 7,680 x 4,320p
WANT!


Japanese Company Shinoda unveils 125 inch flexible plasma 0.1mm thick Non HD rez only atm as only production models are for digital signage. But I'd love of those at UHD for my pc gamin...phaw!
WANT!


Im scared to think of what display tech will be like in 20 years time, dang!

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In some more traditional fare: CPU nerds & Intel fans are rejoicing at the numbers posted from Corei7. Makes C2D look old and slow. AMD do indeed have a momentous task if they want even to run in the same lane as that damn Intel.



An excessive amount of further benchie screens here. I wonder what our resident CPU Guru Q thinks of it all... AMD fought back with GPUs, can they do it with CPUs???

Speaking of AMD... here's G3Ds review of the 4870X2 with 2048mb framebuffer. As far as performance goes, the new ubercard just got more some more uber Same reservations about heat and power raised, but this thing destroyed every game maxxed at 2560x1600p, except crysis(where it managed 22fps average).. but COD4, Mass Effect at 80fps at 1600p, whoa! c'mon nvidia....wheres your response damnit!

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Old 11-02-2008, 05:41 AM   #423
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**** yeah!

(Do I need to say anymore than that?)

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**** yeah!

(Do I need to say anymore than that?)
lolz.. you like the screens or the Corei7 benchies Lynky? I'm guessing the former in case .. no pun intended

I mentioned 20 years time... will we have HD 3D Interactive Projection? Interactive and Projection technologies are being continuously worked on but far from being a viable thing for a pc or console gamer, or anywhere near HD.... I think 20 years will cover it

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hmm.. here's some big-ish type news:

MS kicks nvidia and ATI in the nuts: No hybrid SLI for Windows 7

Good idea IMO. the whole idea was weird from the start. The chipsets on that came with hybrid mainbaords were crud. The only possible users that may be miffed by this are those with lappies that support this feature...

and

AMD ditches 500 employees(more) Sure its not Intels cumulative 15,000, but it still isnt good. Definitely a reflection fo their restructure though, and perhaps their flagging CPU performance?

The 48xx GPUs gave AMD a shot in the arm, but they really need to get their act together in the CPU game, especially after the blistering performance posted by Corei7. Do AMD R&D peeps have the skillz?

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Can't AMD and NVIDIA still implement support for their hybrid technologies in their drivers? I like the hybrid concept but I don't want to have to reboot my PC to switch between graphics cards. Unless the switch between the IGP and the discrete card can happen dynamically in Windows I don't think I'll have much interest in the tech.


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Old 11-07-2008, 08:50 AM   #427
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Can't AMD and NVIDIA still implement support for their hybrid technologies in their drivers?
I dont see MS issuing WHQL certification on drivers for unsupported features!

Hybrid powa is ovah. Unless you gots a Macbook

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An extensive review of the Core i7 plus OC performance etc...

Its pwns allright, AMD better have a couple of aces up its sleeve because Intel is wiping the floor with anything else CPU out there.

I still thinks Apple should sue Intel, and don't get me started on M$ !!!
I'm sure if they could have got away with calling it Windows i7 they would have...twats!



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Everything I'm reading about Core i7 (Nehelem) tells me that it's a rather meh improvement over Yorkfield in everything but highly multithreaded apps. This is due to the small L2 cache. In multithreaded stuff it screams, however. Right now it just doesn't seem to be worth the cost of a very expensive motherboard and DDR3 unless you do a lot of video encoding.

What I'm really interested in is AMD's Deneb and how it stacks up to Yorkfield. As long as it can compete with or even beat Yorkfield at a good price, AMD will have a winner on their hands. I think it can do it.


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But Q! Im hardly teh one to sing Intels praises at any time but those 3DMark CPU numbers dont lie... look where top of the line phenom quaddie sits!! Back when the x2 4800+ was king of the heap, cost $500(when I bought it!), others were also saying "meh, but ya dont really need it unless".

As GPUs, SDK and devs mature, the ability to pulverize numbers like that will be comin in handy I can safely guarantee. Not that Im going anywhere near one, but anyone that does get a i7 is CPU-future proofing themselves for a couple of years.

As Im stuck with AM2, Im waiting to see what the heck shanghai will do for me STill, my first priority is a new GPU. After much to and fro, Im sticking it out and waiting to catch the 55nm tidal wave The power efficiency phreak in me demands it

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3DMARK scores are not indicative of real-world performance. If the most demanding thing you do with your PC is game, then it would not be worth the cost to upgrade from Wolfdale/Yorkfield to Core i7, IMO.

And as far as the AMD crowd is concerned: it would be best to wait until we get some solid numbers concerning Deneb before you do anything. A platform migration to the hated evil empire of Intel may not be necessary, especially if you already own an AM2 board that can support Deneb. Hurry up and wait.


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... A platform migration ...
ha! thatd be the day! The lynchpin for gaming performance, was and still is the GPU. Id rather upgrade that of course!

Getting an i7 and keeping an <insert any currently available GPU> will not give you that magical 60fps average on any high end game at WQXGA(1600p)

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but it can pwn your Athlon in synthetic benchmarks any day



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Windows Advanced Rasterization Platform 10

So I saw this article on DailyTech, "WARP Runs Direct3D 10/10.1 on CPU with Windows 7" and wondered what WARP was. Turns out it is Microsoft giving the CPU the ability to render graphics. I'm not sure what to make of this as of yet but in the MSDN article DailyTech linked to I found these statements of interest.
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Enabling Rendering When Direct3D 10 Hardware is Not Available

WARP allows fast rendering in a variety of situations where hardware implementations are unavailable, including:

* When the user does not have any Direct3D capable hardware
* When running as a service or in a server environment
* When no video card installed
* When a video driver is not available, or is not working correctly
* When a video card is out of memory, hangs or would take too many system resources to initialize.
I like the idea of my system not being totally useless if my graphics card goes out, if that is what this means.
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We don’t see WARP10 as a replacement for graphics hardware, particularly as reasonably performing low end Direct3D 10 discrete hardware is now available for under $25. The goal of WARP10 was to allow applications to target Direct3D 10 level hardware without having significantly different code paths or testing requirements when running on hardware or when running in software.
I think I require more knowledge of programming than what I possess to understand the full implications of this statement. But yeah, Microsoft apparently isn't positioning this as a potential replacement to discrete graphics solutions. Or are they?


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Char, MS are implementing WARP to avoid the whole "capable" issue that they had with the "windows vista capable" certification. A huge complaint of many with lower end systems was how Vista Aero bumps up the sysreqs. To make W7 more friendly to the early adopter, CPU rasterisation is touted as a solution to this.

As a htpc user/builder, I wonder how far WARP will go. The idea of a rig that only needs a CPU is tantalising indeed for those of us on a quest to build ultra small form factor htpcs.

What was cool was the benchie they ran: WARP on corei7 and no GPU performed better running Crysis(lolz) than any of the current intel integrated chipsets (A blistering 5-7FPS, but still better than its integrated cousins.)

Maybe this explains why W7 is ditching hybrid support for ATI/nvidia, they are essentially introducing a cpu-gpu variant of this type of tech. I imagine mixing the two together would lead to compatibility nightmares

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It does explain why the ditched Hybrid Sli support...I wonder if you'd be able to scale a few cores of a multi-core CPU to act as an extra boost in games...Would be another form of Hybrid I suppose...



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yup, itd be great if WARP could take advantage of multicore platforms to boost graphics performance.

In other news, looks like AMD in FINALLY, ALMOST ready to roll with the Phenom IIs - the one Ive got my eye on is the AM2 "940" which is x4 3.0GHz. Price is slated at $275

Now, gimme some benchies ! I know that it wont demolish Corei7, but as long as it makes a good showing, Im up for it > more power efficient and four cores to crunch all that folding and encoding I do.. cmon team AMD ![/somewhat fanboi]

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Price doesn't seem too bad, so they're probably gonna try to undercut Intel like that again, the only way they can get by really...



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I don't understand why the AM3's look like they're going to be clocked lower than the AM2's. Can anybody explain that one to me?


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