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Old 03-21-2009, 09:05 PM   #1
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Uthar or Yuthura?

Who do you prefer more? Master Uthar Wynn or Yuthura Ban and why?



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Old 03-21-2009, 10:55 PM   #2
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Do I have really have to comment? Yuthura all the way!

"All the things I wanted to do... all the wrongs I wanted to right... I haven't done any of it. They just get farther and farther from my mind. This isn't the person I was."

"There's still time to change that."

"You're right. Maybe what I needed most was peace after all. The Jedi tried to show me that. I don't know if I can ever go back to them, but my place isn't here. Thank-you, thank-you for showing me that."

Best lines in the whole game in my opinion.


PS: I would have also put in a 'neither one' option.
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Old 03-21-2009, 11:01 PM   #3
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Yuthura all the way! She has such a tragic background...I think that's why I chose her.
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Old 03-22-2009, 12:36 AM   #4
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Agreed, needs a 'neither one' option. I hate them both, always kill both regardless of alignment.


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Old 03-22-2009, 12:42 AM   #5
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Uthar Wynn. He says "behooves"

I always just thought he seemed much more of a commanding Sithy than Yuthura did. And he let me get heaps of DS points once I found out the twist and wanted to switch sides!


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Old 03-22-2009, 02:45 AM   #6
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Agreed, needs a 'neither one' option. I hate them both, always kill both regardless of alignment.
*Presses some buttons*

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Old 03-22-2009, 05:26 AM   #7
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Yuthura and her hot MILF voice!


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Old 03-22-2009, 06:18 AM   #8
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i cant remember who... im leaning slightly toward yuthura...
ah yes, yuthura returned to the light, had a good story, and was nice. vote won!

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Old 03-22-2009, 09:35 AM   #9
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Agreed, needs a 'neither one' option. I hate them both, always kill both regardless of alignment.
haha sorry my bad.


Well I like more Uthar, he is a very wise but in a evil way .Not only that is not like dose sith that wants to kill everybody when they see a person, he is like a calm sith, evil but calm.



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Old 03-22-2009, 11:41 AM   #10
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Uthar is a true villain, not a pansy like Yuthura in any respect. Besides, he has a reasonable backstory, by which I mean one without all of the recycled "troubled past" nonsense that passes for Yuthura's character. In both villainy and general character, Uthar is standard; his apprentice is sub-par. Both are far outclassed by Jorak Uln, though, because craziness multiplies awesomeness.


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Old 03-22-2009, 11:55 AM   #11
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Old 03-22-2009, 11:59 AM   #12
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Yuthura and her hot MILF voice!
I'm always disappointed when the "I hope that we can be something more than just friends." option goes absolutely nowhere. Dammit, BioWare.

Either way, I love double-double-double crossing both of them, and killing them in the end. Being a manipulative bastard is oh so enjoyable.
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Old 03-22-2009, 12:13 PM   #13
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Old 03-24-2009, 09:37 PM   #14
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Uthar is a true villain, not a pansy like Yuthura in any respect. Besides, he has a reasonable backstory, by which I mean one without all of the recycled "troubled past" nonsense that passes for Yuthura's character. In both villainy and general character, Uthar is standard; his apprentice is sub-par. Both are far outclassed by Jorak Uln, though, because craziness multiplies awesomeness.
So you are one of those who despise Darth Vader? Yuthura Ban is like George Lucas's main character on a higher level. She may have been a bad Sith, but overall a much stronger character because she was able to confront the fact that she hated being with them and took it upon herself to change. Jorak Uln was not strong... he was just insane. Anyone without an ounce of sanity would do anything without any concern for what happens.

Yuthura's pansy attitude towards the Sith: the sign of a coward.
Uthar's relentless loyalty to the Sith: the sign of an idiot.
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Old 03-24-2009, 11:24 PM   #15
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Jorak Uln was not strong... he was just insane. Anyone without an ounce of sanity would do anything without any concern for what happens.
Jorak was the Master of the Academy, so his power level has to be considerable. Besides, who cares about power or sanity? I just like his character. His insanity is one of the major reasons.

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At no point during K1 does Uthar's loyalty to the Sith (which we have no reason to believe is higher than any other Sith's) steer him wrong. In fact, his loyalty works well for him in one possible outcome; If the player is dark-sided and visits Korriban last, Uthar is willing to work for Revan if he reveals his identity.


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Old 03-24-2009, 11:26 PM   #16
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Yuthura, by far. Much more story, and I personally think that she is a great character.

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Old 03-25-2009, 01:24 AM   #17
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Eh. I don't like either of 'em. Uthar is good because he kills that dude I give the wrong sword to (snickers as fem Revan racks up DS points and kills canon ), and I like Yuthura because she's a Twi'lek, and I happen to think Twi'lek's are awesome when they're Jedi/Sith/Bounty Hunters/anything else that will blow your head off.

On the other hand, Uthar's voice grates on my nerves. Yuthura Ban annoys the stew outta me with her backstory (probably because I came up with a similar backstory before I ever played the game, lol ). I kill 'em both.

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Old 03-25-2009, 05:05 AM   #18
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So you are one of those who despise Darth Vader? Yuthura Ban is like George Lucas's main character on a higher level. She may have been a bad Sith, but overall a much stronger character because she was able to confront the fact that she hated being with them and took it upon herself to change. Jorak Uln was not strong... he was just insane. Anyone without an ounce of sanity would do anything without any concern for what happens.

Yuthura's pansy attitude towards the Sith: the sign of a coward.
Uthar's relentless loyalty to the Sith: the sign of an idiot.
i think tka was saying that he liked uthar's character when looking at it outside of the game. the quality of a written character of fiction, rather than whos stronger inside the game.

am i right tka..?

in game, id go for yuthura. out of game, id go for uln, as his part in the game was somewhat hilarious.



mfw I read the Revan novel

it is not a cry of joy.
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Old 03-25-2009, 04:14 PM   #19
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In fact, his loyalty works well for him in one possible outcome; If the player is dark-sided and visits Korriban last, Uthar is willing to work for Revan if he reveals his identity.
And this depends on Korriban being the last planet, Revan being DS, and Uthar settling with being a servant to yet another Dark Lord. That's not a very promising outcome in the ONLY path where he lives. The other times, he turns on Revan and dies. When does his devotion to the Sith ever lead him to a better future? Not in ANY possible outcome I see... unless he kills Revan and the game ends there could Uthar advance. That's a possible outcome.

Yuthura could very well turn and return to Dantooine to die, but most likely departed Korriban after the assault. Cannon is usually what I would go by and assume that Uthar officially died and Yuthura turned to the lightside. Whether she lived beyond that is not determined.

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Old 03-25-2009, 04:16 PM   #20
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If I'm taking the light-sider route then usually Yuthura, but If I want to be really bad then I kill them both I can't eve seem to just side with Uthar.


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If I'm taking the light-sider route then usually Yuthura, but If I want to be really bad then I kill them both I can't eve seem to just side with Uthar.
I agree. I have chosen to kill them both, but when I found you could turn Yuthura back, I actually asked her about her past. Before, I just assumed she would have dismissed the question out of hand.

After she described her past and I could ask 'Has anything changed?' I knew she was not sure about the Sith anymore and had good reason to turn away. That was the most significant thing that made her different from Darth Vader. Where Luke said 'There's still good in you,' I just thought it was terrible that Vader turned back at those words. A better way would have been stating 'Your wife is dead and there's no point in serving your master anymore. You have nothing to gain and nothing worth losing anymore.' That would have been more moving in my opinion than anything Luke said to Vader.
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I agree. I have chosen to kill them both, but when I found you could turn Yuthura back, I actually asked her about her past. Before, I just assumed she would have dismissed the question out of hand.

After she described her past and I could ask 'Has anything changed?' I knew she was not sure about the Sith anymore and had good reason to turn away. That was the most significant thing that made her different from Darth Vader. Where Luke said 'There's still good in you,' I just thought it was terrible that Vader turned back at those words. A better way would have been stating 'Your wife is dead and there's no point in serving your master anymore. You have nothing to gain and nothing worth losing anymore.' That would have been more moving in my opinion than anything Luke said to Vader.
I agree, Yuthura is much more interesting as character than Uthar ever was. The fact that you actually can persuade her to return to Dantooine, unlocking extra dialog adds that much more development to her character whereas Uthar just gladly accepts the academy and everything goes on as usual...boring.

I think if Luke had said that he would definitely had gotten a more emotional response out of Vader.


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Old 03-26-2009, 10:29 PM   #24
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Agreed 100%

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Oh, come on!

You mean to tell me that neither one of you has ever been "hot for Teacher?"

School must have been awfully dull for you.
Read my story and you'll see just what I think of Yuthura.

Tamara Phillips, the voice actress, is gorgeous! She was absolutely perfect for the character. It's only too bad she isn't in much else.

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yes, every male whos ever gone to school has wanted to get with the teacher.



including the ones with hirsutism.



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Tamera Phillips, the voice actress, is gorgeous! She was absolutely perfect for the character. It's only too bad she isn't in much else.


OMG, she is a MILF!

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Oh, come on!

You mean to tell me that neither one of you has ever been "hot for Teacher?"

School must have been awfully dull for you.
well there was this one teacher in ninth grade...
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So are there any reasons people really like Uthar w/out taking Yuthura into account? If there were a Uthar like him/hate him poll, are there any who would say they just like Uthar; or do they happen to like him more than Yuthura?

Same question for those who just voted for Yuthura because they hated Uthar.
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Yuthura. She's a chick. I dig chicks.


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I agree, Yuthura is much more interesting as character than Uthar ever was. The fact that you actually can persuade her to return to Dantooine, unlocking extra dialog adds that much more development to her character whereas Uthar just gladly accepts the academy and everything goes on as usual...boring.

I think if Luke had said that he would definitely had gotten a more emotional response out of Vader.
I chose niether. I never knew that was possible. Playing light or dark I killed both because niether one of them trusted me.
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Uthar was a charasmatic Sith, but still a pretty typical Sith with his "If I must explain it, you don't belong here" vibe. Yuthura did more to explain the Sith in six minutes than Lucas did in six movies (MAJOR Kudos to Drew & David at Bioware for cooking her up!). She explained the ideas and the Sith philosophy in a logical, thoughtful manner that gave structure behind the apparent cackling madness, and made it seem almost a damn shame that the Sith and the Jedi had to constantly kill one another.

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And when you befriend her, and she walks away in the end? Since I play Korriban AFTER the big reveal, I see it as a fitting touch. You didn't just save her. You saved yourself.



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you know, i've never acually sided with uthar. I think i'm going to do that on my next play through, just to see what happens.




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Yuthura had more depth as a charachter. Both are important minor npcs in KOTOR, but she was better written than he was. Frankly, I've played out all the options w/regard to the fates of both. Seems like a waste otherwise.


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I sided with Uthar, he seemed to be a very interesting character, like Yuthura, they both have potential for an interesting background{like how Darth_Yuthura wrote a rather famous fic on Yuthura}


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Old 05-28-2009, 02:15 PM   #38
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Actually I wanted to try out both of them, so saved just before I had to choose and tried both sides Uthar was better because he didn't betray me....



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Yeah, but depending on how you play it you can have trouble w/Uthar too. Much depends on how you handle the 2x cross before entering the tomb.


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Old 05-28-2009, 09:10 PM   #40
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Light or dark I'd rather just off both of them. Petty little creatures that they are.

Yuthura had a better background, uthar was more of a challenge to get approval from but frankly it's all for naught anyway.

No I don't care that I can redeem her.

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Agreed, needs a 'neither one' option. I hate them both, always kill both regardless of alignment.
Spoken like a true champ.

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Yuthura and her hot MILF voice!
You dirty old man.

.......oh wait! P.K.B.?

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They're both Sith, so they both die.
I knew there was something likable about your style. A fellow murd--I mean fighter of justice!

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<snip> I kill 'em both.

BTW--Darth Vader FTW!
What is FTW? I have seen it several times now and wonder what it means...

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Yeah, but depending on how you play it you can have trouble w/Uthar too. Much depends on how you handle the 2x cross before entering the tomb.
I can handle the whole thing if I wanted to. But it's more fun to just kill them both.


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