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Old 03-17-2009, 02:10 PM   #41
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Money spent is money spent, while I'd prefer it being used for things like (sensible) infrastructure, even a bridge to nowhere provides work for those building the bridge, as well as to those making the concrete and other materials, keeping them of wellfare. I don't support such spending, however, it isn't as disastrous as it is during good times.
I fail to see why a bailout is needed for birth control... I also don't see why there needed to be a couple million dollars set aside for a rodent.


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No, the principles of Keynesian economics have been tested from the dawn of civilization till today. Unless you can argue that WW2 "solved" for some other reason than that demand surged, I don't see your point. WW2 was in many ways essentially a continuation of the policies of before, increase public spending while racking up a debt in order to increase demand in the economy. I will however agree that a lot of the policies leading up to WW2 was terrible/terribly executed.
Well the Democrats are pretty much just spending money to spend money, and that is stupid. If it was to improve infrastructure, refit aging combat aircraft etc. I would be okay with that, because it needs to be done, but the bulk of the money is going to people's pet projects.
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Old 03-17-2009, 02:29 PM   #42
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I fail to see why a bailout is needed for birth control... I also don't see why there needed to be a couple million dollars set aside for a rodent.
It's money spent, in theese cases, it'll mean more work for those working with birth control/conservation, as well as any business involved in whatever those people consume.

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Well the Democrats are pretty much just spending money to spend money, and that is stupid.
Most of the time, I'd agree with you, however a prolonged recession is the one time where I disagree.

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If it was to improve infrastructure, refit aging combat aircraft etc. I would be okay with that, because it needs to be done, but the bulk of the money is going to people's pet projects.
Please show me that this is the case, regardless, money spent (without an equal tax increase) increases demand, and while I would hope most of it is spent decently, any increase in demand at the moment is most velcome.

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Old 03-17-2009, 05:18 PM   #43
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At what times of the year? It tends to vary depending on the time of year. Fact is though these are true grass-roots movements, they aren't being funded by Soros and his ilk like we see with the Left-Wing groups.
So we'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say 25000 people left.

Hmm, if 4 came out, and there were 100,000 there, that makes.... 0.00004% of the population

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Old 04-13-2009, 10:01 PM   #44
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Hey guys, I hope I see y'all on the 15th. I'm eager to curb stomp some liberal lawmakers and their socialist policies. In case you don't know where your local tea party is being held at, check out the link below.


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Old 04-13-2009, 10:21 PM   #45
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all the massachusetts ones are in ****ty places like lowell and the airport rotary in hyannis



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Old 04-18-2009, 08:40 AM   #46
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I really hate that this was called a GOP event. Hell people attending in one state BOOED the REPUBLICAN governor for accepting the bailout money. Many people even held up signs saying "First my liberties, now my wallet" which is an obvious reference to the PATRIOT Act. Of course many Republicans siezed on the opportunity, but it wasn't a purely GOP event. What irritates me is how CNN and Yahoo keep calling it that. Republicans aren't the only ones concerned with their cash. Quite frankly there were Conservatives and Liberals alike in attendance at many of these events. Even punkers and cowboys were getting along. At least that's what I saw here in PHX. It was (relatively) small in comparison to other places. I heard my home town of San Antonio, TX had 20,000 according to SAPD(15k according to the newspaper). Rough estimates put total attendance at about 500k nation wide. Not bad for a work day.


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Old 04-18-2009, 09:49 AM   #47
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Rough estimates put total attendance at about 500k nation wide. Not bad for a work day.
So...maybe a little more than one percent of the total US population? Color me unimpressed.



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Old 04-18-2009, 01:39 PM   #48
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I can't get over the irony on how these "teabag" parties were protesting a 3% tax increase to what... like 5% of the population, where as the other 95% gets tax cuts? It amazes me how the republican party continually gets people to blindly follow things like this.
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Old 04-18-2009, 02:08 PM   #49
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My own personal bias: I bet that if you surveyed every person who attended these events, not very many of them would be able to articulate why they were there. I guess "Rush Limbaugh sent me" doesn't seem as glamorous as "I'm fightin' the commies!".
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Old 04-18-2009, 02:50 PM   #50
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I'm all for Freedom of Speech but this is just appalling.

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Clearly, there were mostly liberals in attendance.
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Wow, what lovely folk. Where's the Black Panthers when you need them?
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Old 04-18-2009, 08:21 PM   #53
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Old 04-18-2009, 09:53 PM   #54
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I guess the world's in a pretty good place when the standard to be a heinous tyrant consists of taxing the rich a bit more than usual.



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Old 04-18-2009, 10:10 PM   #55
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I'm all for Freedom of Speech but this is just appalling.
I agree.

What sort of impression do they think they're making by writing trash like that? Are they actually stupid enough believe that they're going to rally people to their cause by exhibiting that kind of behavior?


"They should rename the team to the Washington Government Sucks. Put Obama on the helmet. Line the entire walls of the stadium with the actual text of the ACA.
Fix their home team score on the board to the debt clock, they can win every game 17,000,000,000,000 to 24. Losing team gets taxed by the IRS 100%, then droned."
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Old 04-18-2009, 11:23 PM   #56
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Interesting. Seeing as how any schmuck can put up a sign, and how unprofessional many on the political left are (Shuster, Garafalo, Madow, Cooper...), I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that those people were "legitimate" protestors. It's not like no one knew those events were being held on April 15th, eh....


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Old 04-18-2009, 11:57 PM   #57
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Point taken.


"They should rename the team to the Washington Government Sucks. Put Obama on the helmet. Line the entire walls of the stadium with the actual text of the ACA.
Fix their home team score on the board to the debt clock, they can win every game 17,000,000,000,000 to 24. Losing team gets taxed by the IRS 100%, then droned."
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Old 04-19-2009, 12:28 AM   #58
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So...maybe a little more than one percent of the total US population? Color me unimpressed.
1. it was a weekday. People with jobs have a tendancy to ya know go to work.
2. 500k out of 140 locations.
3. 1% of the total population in attendance is actually pretty significant. That's still better than the "Million Man March" initial estimates. AND some estimates place it as high as 1M(though I think that's rather wishful thinking).

I was there because I was sick of Congress spending like crazy(not just the current group, as Congress has been doing this for a long time). Even IF they are only taxing the "rich" the most, we still pay taxes. Shouldn't the taxpayers be able to legitimately complain about the fact that the over the top spending should stop. The pork projects that both sides add.


Oh yes, CLEARLY this person is a mouthpiece for The Republican party. Oh wait, I guess since she's a Libertarian, that means she's a Conservative. But seeing as how that was San Francisco, it kinda had to be non-partisan. As I said, while billed as mostly conservative, it was not just a platform for Republicans. In fact several Republican politicians decided NOT to attend because they weren't given an opportunity to speak and turn it into a pure Republican event.

Of course this was all thrown together over Facebook and Myspace. See if it grows even more on July 4th. A Saturday.


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Old 04-19-2009, 03:07 AM   #59
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Did you see any signs akin to the ones RoxStar posted? The ones with racist remarks. The others didn't bother me.


"They should rename the team to the Washington Government Sucks. Put Obama on the helmet. Line the entire walls of the stadium with the actual text of the ACA.
Fix their home team score on the board to the debt clock, they can win every game 17,000,000,000,000 to 24. Losing team gets taxed by the IRS 100%, then droned."
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Racism is not just a Republican thing. People forget all the racist remarks made against Condi, and even Powell. Heck didn't a very long running Democrat congressman(Byrd) happen to be a former GRAND WIZARD for the KKK?

Most of the signs I was were anti-pork. Sure some were anti-Obama. Mostly the "Keep the change" types of messages.

I did see one sign with Obama dressed as a pimp and "taxpayer" written on the other side. That was about as racist as I saw... there were a bunch of anti-Sherrif Joe signs there too(though less related to taxes haha). For the record.. he's a Republican.

My buddy(who's a Democrat) was thinking of going with me to it. We were both going to show up with signs that said "It's all the Democrats fault"(on mine) and "It's all the Republican's fault"(on his) as a statement of how it's both of their fault. He couldn't get a babysitter.


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Old 04-19-2009, 05:59 AM   #61
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Oh, I know that racism is bi-partisan. Everyone's guilty of discrimination of some sort. I was just wondering if it really was as bad as it has been portrayed.


"They should rename the team to the Washington Government Sucks. Put Obama on the helmet. Line the entire walls of the stadium with the actual text of the ACA.
Fix their home team score on the board to the debt clock, they can win every game 17,000,000,000,000 to 24. Losing team gets taxed by the IRS 100%, then droned."
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Oh, I know that racism is bi-partisan. Everyone's guilty of discrimination of some sort. I was just wondering if it really was as bad as it has been portrayed.
No. Not nearly. Everyone there had their own reasons for being there. I'm not gonna lie and pretend that there were no racists there. Just that the idiots with the racist signs get plastered all over the news far more than anything else. If you really look at the pictures, you also notice that for the one sign that's racial, there are more that say "No Pork" or something more about the economic struggle.

I'm sure I could go to any protest and find the dumbest signs and post them. It's a dishonest representation of why people were there. But then I guess it wouldn't make for good pictures to get 50 shots of people with "Cut Spending before you cut my pay" signs. It makes it out to be a bunch of looneis when you grab shots of the odd nutjob. If you notice the Hitler picture guy is in two shots above. Same guy, twice the pictures because his message is offensive.


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Interesting. Seeing as how any schmuck can put up a sign, and how unprofessional many on the political left are (Shuster, Garafalo, Madow, Cooper...), I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that those people were "legitimate" protestors. It's not like no one knew those events were being held on April 15th, eh....
i think that's pushing it, both sides have their share of crazies but those signs said the same sort of freeper bull**** that's been said since the moment obama was elected



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Old 04-19-2009, 03:19 PM   #64
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Yes. And we all know that the crazies on the left COMPLETELY respect free expression and would never do anything underhanded to try to undermine the other side, right? Now, since I didn't say I knew all those people to be liberals, but floated the possibility that perhaps people on the left (like your "friends" at the Daily Kos, MoveOnDotOrg, ACORN..often referred to as "rent a mob".., the Huffington Post, Media Matters, MSNBC, etc..) were all looking at ways to attempt to discredit an anti big government rally (they protested republicans too, if you bothered to pay attention), I'm not sure why you're getting so hot under the collar.


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Oh, I know that racism is bi-partisan. Everyone's guilty of discrimination of some sort. I was just wondering if it really was as bad as it has been portrayed.
Probably not on such a large scale as you'd be led to believe. In middle school, and high school, if you take any TV broadcasting classes, you are also encouraged to cover "controversial items" as much as you possibly can "to shed light on the issue".

Read between the lines and you'll see the real reason: $$$$$$$$$$ and attention. Possibly the mentality of the producer.

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I'm not gonna lie and pretend that there were no racists there. Just that the idiots with the racist signs get plastered all over the news far more than anything else. If you really look at the pictures, you also notice that for the one sign that's racial, there are more that say "No Pork" or something more about the economic struggle.
Of course. Another thing, though I may not have a great relationship with cops, I do notice the majority of reports we ever see about police brutality: that it is, the majority of the time, white cop and non-white victim being reported on. Oh sure, other instances do get reported on, but if you look at the vast majority of them it is reports white beating non white, implying white racism. It also seems like even small instances dominates the news for at least a few days to a week.

"Oh that's because it is what is happening more than any others."

Uhh, maybe if you take it without a grain of salt. With a grain of salt: It's paid more attention to because it is controversy used for attraction. Truth is that it happens all the time and is perpetrated by all groups against other groups *every* day. One would be a fool to deny it happens.

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I'm sure I could go to any protest and find the dumbest signs and post them. It's a dishonest representation of why people were there. But then I guess it wouldn't make for good pictures to get 50 shots of people with "Cut Spending before you cut my pay" signs. It makes it out to be a bunch of looneis when you grab shots of the odd nutjob. If you notice the Hitler picture guy is in two shots above. Same guy, twice the pictures because his message is offensive.
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I think the media itself and its actions, not just the news it presents, ought to be paid more attention to.
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American protests are weak. Go check out some French riots to see how its really done.

Not pushing anything forward, but this episode of Daily Show was great on the subject:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-epi...isodeId=224273

My favorite in awhile.
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Actually the protesters weren't racist, the not wanting higher taxes isn't racist, people are just pissed that the Democrats lied (which is usual), we have a typical Chicago crook for a President. And the tea parties were just the beginning, nearly forgot that it has proven that the mainstream media is completely dishonest.

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Actually the protesters weren't racist, the not wanting higher taxes isn't racist,
Having signs saying "Barrack Hussein Osama" is racist: end of story. The fact that you are trying to downplay a racial stereotype is just as bad.
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Thanks for showing that you know absolutely nothing about Chicago and its current politics
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And the tea parties were just the beginning, nearly forgot that it has proven that the mainstream media is completely dishonest.
You're right about that; they haven't covered the KKK rallies yet.
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C'mon, Pastrami, you're drinking the Kool-aid (ok, couldn't resist given that it's your avatar ). First, it isn't racist to invoke Hussein, merely insulting (regardless of the insult's merit or lack thereof). That's merely liberal pc thinking you're exhibiting. Secondly, given that most of the people there weren't carrying signs like that, the charge that the protests were racist in nature is a broad brushed smear of people on both sides (as well as a few others) of the political spectrum. Were there "kooks" at the rallies? I'd say yes (always bound to be in any large gathering of people). With whom were they affiliated? That's a whole different ballgame, which like the question of God's existence, will remain a mystery. However, given your final smear, essentially equating the protestors to the KKK makes me wonder if you aren't actually Janine Garafalo.


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I can't get over the irony on how these "teabag" parties were protesting a 3% tax increase to what... like 5% of the population, where as the other 95% gets tax cuts? It amazes me how the republican party continually gets people to blindly follow things like this.
That statistic has been proven to be about as truthful as the 90% of the guns in Mexico come the United States. In other words, it is just some lie the Obama Administration and the mainstream media threw out there.
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I can't get over the irony on how these "teabag" parties were protesting a 3% tax increase to what... like 5% of the population, where as the other 95% gets tax cuts? It amazes me how the republican party continually gets people to blindly follow things like this.
The point being protested is that BO intends to 2x down on the deficit, doing twice the damage that Bush did in his 8 years, in the hope that he can turn around the economy. It's not, like the CNN reporter in Chicago charachterized, a protest by people that don't seem to realize that they'ere getting a little money too. Many people believe that BO's plans are shortsighted at best and most likely irresponsibly foolhardy. You may not agree with their pov, but it's obvious you don't seem to understand it.


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First, it isn't racist to invoke Hussein, merely insulting (regardless of the insult's merit or lack thereof).
Perhaps you should read what was written.

It is racist to make signs saying Barack Hussein Osama.

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Actually, how so? They are comparing BO to a known enemy of the US. Osama rhymes with Obama. Osama is a muslim, Islam is factor in BO's upbringing. It's clever, if biting. You might as well also say it's racist to characterize BO as the first "african-american" president b/c such a phrase accentuates his racial background. Aren't we supposed to see beyond that in our modern "colorblind" society?


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Its racist. Its bigoted. And it un-patriotic. Indeed, I noticed that in none of the photos I've seen of these so-called "tea parties" are there any people of color. Interesting.


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Its racist. Its bigoted. And it un-patriotic. Indeed, I noticed that in none of the photos I've seen of these so-called "tea parties" are there any people of color. Interesting.

Why don't you look at who took the pictures, before you make the accusations?


In fact, calling me and others like me to be racist is more than a little out of line, putting it mildly.


You know I think I should just also point out that it seems whenever liberals can't win an argument they play the race card.
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That's your opinion, Skin. Not sure about the relevance of your second comment as these photos would merely be a microscosm of all photos taken. Also, unless you know who all the people were that were in attendance, it's irresponsible of you to insinuate that the protests were nothing more than bigoted anti-obama rallies. I expect that from people like Oberman/Shuster/Garafalo/et al, but think you should be above that.


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Why don't you look at who took the pictures, before you make the accusations?
Why would it matter who took the pictures. Anyone who refers to their President as "Osama" or compares him to a terrorist is un-patriotic. Anyone who assumes that being Muslim equates to being wrong, not right, etc., is a racist. Anyone who claims that Obama is Islamic in the first place and that this would be important in the second place, is a bigot. These aren't exactly debatable issues and it matters little who took the photos.

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I don't recall referring to you as a racist. I think you're failing to read. I would say that your comprehension skills would be lacking, but I doubt you're a racist. If, however, you make any of the above assertions, then you would fit the above labels.

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Idiots like the ones in the photos can't exactly act like racists, bigots and anti-patriots and not have someone call them on it.

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That's your opinion, Skin. Not sure about the relevance of your second comment as these photos would merely be a microscosm of all photos taken. Also, unless you know who all the people were that were in attendance, it's irresponsible of you to insinuate that the protests were nothing more than bigoted anti-obama rallies. I expect that from people like Oberman/Shuster/Garafalo/et al, but think you should be above that.
I'm just making an observation. I'm sure there are people of color in attendance. But, of all the photos I've seen, there are only middle- to upper-middle class white people in attendance. Basically the sheeple of loudmouths like Limbaugh.

And, for the record, this is why I detest politics so much: its full of talking heads like Limbaugh, Maddow, Hannity, Garafalo, et al who see only the information that supports their conclusions. None of it is rational or evidence-based.


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Yes. And we all know that the crazies on the left COMPLETELY respect free expression and would never do anything underhanded to try to undermine the other side, right? Now, since I didn't say I knew all those people to be liberals, but floated the possibility that perhaps people on the left (like your "friends" at the Daily Kos, MoveOnDotOrg, ACORN..often referred to as "rent a mob".., the Huffington Post, Media Matters, MSNBC, etc..) were all looking at ways to attempt to discredit an anti big government rally (they protested republicans too, if you bothered to pay attention), I'm not sure why you're getting so hot under the collar.
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like your "friends" at the Daily Kos,...
As an aside, the founder of the Daily Kos actually is a friend of mine (or *was* actually). Markos Moulitsas. He worked for me indirectly when I was stationed in Germany as my Fire Direction Specialist. Small world, eh. I haven't spoke to him since then and never talked to him about politics, but I remember he was a bright young man and a good sense of humor. I knew about the Daily Kos but never bothered to read anything on it and went years before I knew Moulitsas created it. I just happened to click a link in Digg that went there and his name was mentioned. Then I followed it to his bio and found out he was an old pal. Still don't read that political crap though.


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Why would it matter who took the pictures. Anyone who refers to their President as "Osama" or compares him to a terrorist is un-patriotic. Anyone who assumes that being Muslim equates to being wrong, not right, etc., is a racist. Anyone who claims that Obama is Islamic in the first place and that this would be important in the second place, is a bigot. These aren't exactly debatable issues and it matters little who took the photos.
No it matters, because in case you hadn't noticed the people they deliberately took pictures of were the fringe group loonies that showed up in some cases.


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I don't recall referring to you as a racist. I think you're failing to read. I would say that your comprehension skills would be lacking, but I doubt you're a racist. If, however, you make any of the above assertions, then you would fit the above labels.
Ever consider that I would have attended one of those rallies if I didn't have to show up for my group to help with the Senior Project, so you're labeling conservatives like me that really couldn't care less what color Obama's skin is, racists.

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Idiots like the ones in the photos can't exactly act like racists, bigots and anti-patriots and not have someone call them on it.
Sorry but rolling over to Communism isn't patriotic unless you're from the Soviet Union (which collapsed).

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I'm just making an observation. I'm sure there are people of color in attendance. But, of all the photos I've seen, there are only middle- to upper-middle class white people in attendance. Basically the sheeple of loudmouths like Limbaugh.
Yeah, explains why Fox News had some pictures of people that were Asian American, African American, etc. at various rallies. Why don't you check your sources next time?

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And, for the record, this is why I detest politics so much: its full of talking heads like Limbaugh, Maddow, Hannity, Garafalo, et al who see only the information that supports their conclusions. None of it is rational or evidence-based.
I noticed you only mentioned right wing people in your list, if Maddow and Garafalo are right wingers (don't know who they are off the top of my head). Based on your response to imply you're nonpartisan is quite frankly dishonest, you're at least as left-wing as I am right-wing if not more so.
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